Leftism: Your Overdue Education

[NYcarbineer]

The Nazi's after all, adopted the practices of fascist Italy:

From Public to Private: Privatization in 1920's Fascist Italy

The Fascists were Leftists.
Read the thread.

Everything you've posted is either wrong or irrelevant.

 

[NYcarbineer]

13. Liberals and Progressives, both ignorant of the actual doctrines, love to call any foes 'fascists.'

....the colloquial use of 'Fascism" is simply an application to anyone or any ideology with which an uneducated individual disagrees, finds objectionable.
Stalin advanced this ploy, and all the ignorant Leftist drones continue it to this day.



"More broadly, fascism may be defined as any totalitarian regime which does not aim at the nationalization of industry but preserves at least nominal private property. The term can even be extended to any dictatorship that has become unfashionable among intellectuals.[working-class Americans call it "Communism." Middle-class Americans, educated enough to understand that it's uncouth to say anything against Communism, call if "fascism."]

When the Soviet Union and People's China had a falling out in the 1960s, they each promptly discovered that the other fraternal socialist country was not merely capitalist but "fascist." At the most vulgar level, "fascist" is a handy swear-word for such hated figures as Rush Limbaugh or John Ashcroft who, whatever their faults." The Mystery of Fascism by David Ramsay Steele




The same dolts who claim Fascism, or Nazism are 'rightwing' fail to recognize that Hitler and Stalin were allies, and when both attacked Poland....guess what they claimed?


September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland....on September 17, Stalin attacks from the East. The Soviet radio transmitter in Minsk guided the Nazi bombers attacking Polish cities. Newsreel footage showed the Red Army in Nazi helmets, marching side by side with the SS. One photo shows the hammer and sickle along side the swastika.

a. The Soviet press depicted the battle as a fight against Polish fascism, with the peace-loving Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union fighting aggressive Polish fascism.

----- Communism, Nazism, Fascism, Modern Liberalism, Progressivism, or Socialism....Leftists all.

Nary a rightwinger among 'em.

Why do all historians including conservative ones disagree with you?

 

[NYcarbineer]

"How can Communism be thought possible in the most individualistic country in the world? It is only possible where every man is a number, not in Italy where every man is an individual, and more, has individuality."
-- Benito Mussolini; from speech at Trieste, 20th September 1920

"The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle in nature, and in place of the eternal privilege of force and strength sets up the mass and dead weight of numbers. It thus denies the value of the individual among men"
-- Adolf Hitler; from 'Mein Kampf'

Reality is defined as actions, not words.

Surprised you don't know that yet.


See if you can find anything in my posts that are incorrect.....

Fascism, Communism, Nazism....all Leftist doctrines.

None are rightwing.

All right wingers use the same rhetoric as Mussolini and Hitler quotes above (give or take a racist comment here or there). Their actions are similarly contrary to true individuality. Just look at the first eight years of this century

Let's see how easy it is to throw those words right back in your kisser!

Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.

Seen your argument before, actually:

"Were it not for the pact which the Center and the middle classes have entered into with Marxism as a result of their inner relatedness of character, there would be no red, anti-christian Germany today. Therefore they are the accursed accomplices of Bolshevism."
-- Adolf Hitler; from proclamation to Nazi Party (January 1, 1932)

Are you denying that Hitler and the Nazis were of the Left?

Speak up.

The Nazis hated liberalism.

 

[NYcarbineer]

13. Liberals and Progressives, both ignorant of the actual doctrines, love to call any foes 'fascists.'

....the colloquial use of 'Fascism" is simply an application to anyone or any ideology with which an uneducated individual disagrees, finds objectionable.
Stalin advanced this ploy, and all the ignorant Leftist drones continue it to this day.



"More broadly, fascism may be defined as any totalitarian regime which does not aim at the nationalization of industry but preserves at least nominal private property. The term can even be extended to any dictatorship that has become unfashionable among intellectuals.[working-class Americans call it "Communism." Middle-class Americans, educated enough to understand that it's uncouth to say anything against Communism, call if "fascism."]

When the Soviet Union and People's China had a falling out in the 1960s, they each promptly discovered that the other fraternal socialist country was not merely capitalist but "fascist." At the most vulgar level, "fascist" is a handy swear-word for such hated figures as Rush Limbaugh or John Ashcroft who, whatever their faults." The Mystery of Fascism by David Ramsay Steele




The same dolts who claim Fascism, or Nazism are 'rightwing' fail to recognize that Hitler and Stalin were allies, and when both attacked Poland....guess what they claimed?


September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland....on September 17, Stalin attacks from the East. The Soviet radio transmitter in Minsk guided the Nazi bombers attacking Polish cities. Newsreel footage showed the Red Army in Nazi helmets, marching side by side with the SS. One photo shows the hammer and sickle along side the swastika.

a. The Soviet press depicted the battle as a fight against Polish fascism, with the peace-loving Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union fighting aggressive Polish fascism.

----- Communism, Nazism, Fascism, Modern Liberalism, Progressivism, or Socialism....Leftists all.

Nary a rightwinger among 'em.

Where was the right in 1940? Who was the right?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Seen your argument before, actually:

"Were it not for the pact which the Center and the middle classes have entered into with Marxism as a result of their inner relatedness of character, there would be no red, anti-christian Germany today. Therefore they are the accursed accomplices of Bolshevism."
-- Adolf Hitler; from proclamation to Nazi Party (January 1, 1932)

Are you denying that Hitler and the Nazis were of the Left?

Speak up.

Of course. Anyone who isn't a f~cktard knows that Nazi's were right wing. That's why they use the same arguments as today's right:

Jacobin Reason: Sneak Peek at the 2016 GOP Platform

Why the vulgarity?

No, you dope....the Nazis were Leftist totalitarians.


Take notes:


1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.


2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der NationalsozialistischeDeutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the NationalSocialistGerman Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


3. De facto government ownership of the means of production... was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State."
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian




4. The German embrace of collectivism goes back a long way:

"...the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special privileges.'" Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Georg Hegel in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959, page 144)


And that collectivism is the hallmark of your Liberalism, and Progressivism, as well.


Did I educate you today....or is the indoctrination indelible?

Your protestations do not change the facts

http://www.ub.edu/graap/EHR.pdf

They're not my protestations....they'r facts.

Each one is documented.

Once again you've gone a whole thread with offering one original idea, opinion, or insight out of your own head.

No wonder you're a laughing stock.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

When was Krupp Industries nationalized by the Nazis?

Let me relieve your stunned silence.

Krupp was never nationalized. Private industry was not nationalized in Nazi Germany.

Remember Schindler? The List guy? What was he doing in the war? Oh right, he was making money running his own business!

Marxist my ass.

 

[Agit8r]

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1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

When was Krupp Industries nationalized by the Nazis?

Let me relieve your stunned silence.

Krupp was never nationalized. Private industry was not nationalized in Nazi Germany.

Remember Schindler? The List guy? What was he doing in the war? Oh right, he was making money running his own business!

Marxist my ass.

It's unfortunate that so many American's are clueless about this, but then our education system is overly entrusted to bigoted school boards.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well.....our Liberals and Progressives, it seems, are prepared to accept their relationship with socialism and communism....

....but recoil when it is pointed out that they are at the least, equally wedded with Fascism, and Nazism.

One term reveals the truth: "the Master Race."

It brings the Nazis to mind.
And it was the plan at the heart of Progressivism, as well.


".... the American experience with eugenics, the “policy science” of creating a master race.

.... it was all the rage in the Progressive Era. Eugenics was not a fringe movement; it was at the core of ruling-class politics, education, and culture. It was responsible for many of the early experiments in labor regulation. It was the driving force behind marriage licenses, minimum wages, restrictions on opportunities for women, and immigration quotas and controls.

The more I’ve looked into the subject, the more I’m convinced that it is not possible fully to understand the birth of the 20th century Leviathan without an awareness of eugenics. Eugenics was the original sin of the modern state that knows no limits to its power."
Why the Holocaust Should Matter to You | Jeffrey Tucker




Fact is, the Nazis learned eugenics from the American Progressives...

"Only after eugenics became entrenched in the United States was the campaign transplanted into Germany, in no small measure through the efforts of California eugenicists, who published booklets idealizing sterilization and circulated them to German official and scientists.

Hitler studied American eugenics laws....
Hitler proudly told his comrades just how closely he followed the progress of the American eugenics movement. "I have studied with great interest," he told a fellow Nazi, "the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock."
The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics



Hitler wrote to the president of the American Eugenics Society to ask for a copy of his“The Case for Sterilization.”
(Margaret Sanger and Sterilization)

German race science stood on American progressive’s shoulders.


Let's hear no more nonsense about Nazism being rightwing.