Kucinich Ready To Go After The Federal Reserve!

[sealybobo]

I love the posts from a fellow Michigander, but alas, how can the supreme court rule that the constitution is unconstitutional? If its an amendment, they can't say its unconstitutional - because it's the constitution.

The courts can rule that what congress put in the constitution is not constitutional and then it is taken out.

Am I wrong?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The courts can rule that what congress put in the constitution is not constitutional and then it is taken out.

Am I wrong?

You are wrong.

An amendment to the Constitution cannot be deemed unconstitutional because, as pfife and myself have told you, it is part of the Constitution. The Constitution cannot be unconstitutional, that makes no sense.

 

[pfife]

The courts can rule that what congress put in the constitution is not constitutional and then it is taken out.

Am I wrong?

Well I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure the SCOTUS can't change the Constitution literally - but clearly they can change how its interpreted.

At this point I think the Amendment process is really the only way to constrain the court. That's why like in Michigan that's why things like the last couple prop 2s (stem cells, gay marriage) were amendments - in order to restrain an "activist judiciary". Same with California's prop 8. Same with the reasoning behind a national gay marriage amendment.

That's a main reason why I voted against both of those... and why I think most states make it too easy to amend their constitutions. I don't think our state(s) should have their constitutions amended by the popular opinions of the issue de jour.

If what you're saying is correct, what would be the difference between a regular law and an amendment, as far as SCOTUS jurisdiction goes? I'd say nothing.

 

[pfife]

anyways, I'm going to go back to lurking - I'm somewhat aware of the issues you guys are talking about, but I'm learning.

 

[indago]

The American people need to wake up. But they won't. Have you ever tried telling someone that the Income tax is unconstitutional? ...The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax. -- Albert Einstein

Why do you think they make it so confusing?

It's not confusing to me. I have engaged in a lot of research concerning the federal taxing system. I believe that the reason that Albert Einstein said what he did concerning the "income tax" is that the taxing system has been corrupted.

The sixteenth amendment has been reviewed by the Supreme Court of the United States, and in their opinion, in which there was no dissent, it is an excise tax. The Congress always had the power to impose excise taxes, and the Supreme Court has declared: "Excises are "taxes laid upon the manufacture, sale, or consumption of commodities within the country, upon licenses to pursue certain occupations, and upon corporate privileges." "...the requirement to pay such taxes involves the exercise of privileges..."". The Court declared that the sixteenth amendment created no new powers of taxation for government. Governmment was never granted the power to lay a direct tax upon the inhabitants of the States. Also, there is nothing in the sixteenth amendment that has repealed the fourth amendment.

 

[Paulie]

Sealy, how do you read about the Rothschilds, the so-called unconstitutional income tax, the banking "conspiracy", etc...but vote for Obama as though somehow he's not owned by all the people you've been reading about?

You think the media handed him the presidency the way they did because they felt like doing something nice?

You got fooled. The sooner you admit it, the better off you'll be. You're riding on hope that doesn't exist. There's no "hope" when you let the US media decide things for you. That's how the establishment has the kind of control they have. They have the media in their pockets.

 

[indago]

Anyways, I find it funny that people understand that the system is corrupt, but when you try to tell them exactly how it is screwed up, they call you a conspiracy theorist.

I heard one reason people instinctively deny these facts about the income tax is because once they know, they'll have to do something about it. And most people don't want to draw attention to themselves. So they just fall in line like good little sheeple.

That's because Americans are, generally, gay masochists: they just luv takin' it in the ass...


BOHICA

...and no reacharound...



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[sealybobo]

Sealy, how do you read about the Rothschilds, the so-called unconstitutional income tax, the banking "conspiracy", etc...but vote for Obama as though somehow he's not owned by all the people you've been reading about?

You think the media handed him the presidency the way they did because they felt like doing something nice?

You got fooled. The sooner you admit it, the better off you'll be. You're riding on hope that doesn't exist. There's no "hope" when you let the US media decide things for you. That's how the establishment has the kind of control they have. They have the media in their pockets.

Because I know the mainstream media is full of shit. Because I listen to progressive/liberal media and I know what is going on.

That is why I laugh when people compare my radio show hosts to Rush. Or they compare Rachel Maddow to O'Reilly.

If you can't tell who is being more intellectually honest, then that's your problem, not mine.

We the people got Obama elected. We didn't listen to the "liberal" media telling us over and over that Michelle is a racist, obama is a muslim, socialist, pals around with terrorists.

The media couldn't help the GOP because their outragous claims were not believable. So when they saw we the people were in love with Obama, they went along. It wasn't that they sold us on Obama. If you think that is what happened, then I bet you a million dollars you didn't vote for Obama. You choose to live in an alternative reality.

Anyways, will Obama take on the Rothchilds, Carneges, Rockafellors and all the other filthy rich people that own this country? I am hoping he does as much as FDR did. FDR was VERY unpopular with the rich. They felt he was a traitor.

And if you are going to call Obama a sellout because he works with/talks to/helps business, then I don't know what to say, because if you expect or assume he should be anti corporation, then you are a fool, because they could/would take him down if he does not help them too.

I just don't want him to be like the GOP were. ALL in favor of business and fuck the middle class. Obama will be good for ALL OF US.

Just give it a fucking minute. You've already made up your mind.

Well you were wrong before, so you may be wrong again.

 

[AmericaFirst]

Anyways, will Obama take on the Rothchilds, Carneges, Rockafellors and all the other filthy rich people that own this country? I am hoping he does as much as FDR did. FDR was VERY unpopular with the rich. They felt he was a traitor.

And if you are going to call Obama a sellout because he works with/talks to/helps business, then I don't know what to say, because if you expect or assume he should be anti corporation, then you are a fool, because they could/would take him down if he does not help them too.

I just don't want him to be like the GOP were. ALL in favor of business and fuck the middle class. Obama will be good for ALL OF US.

Just give it a fucking minute. You've already made up your mind.

Well you were wrong before, so you may be wrong again.

Obama's biggest campaign financiers are the Banksters, he OWES THEM

He is appointing the head of the NY FED as Treasurer

He pushed for the bailout theft

His advisors were very instrumental in creating the housing bubble and it's highly leveraged JUNK CSDs and derivative junk

OBAMA IS OWNED BY THE BANKSTERS

 

[indago]

Journalist Louise Story wrote for the New York Times 17 January 2009:
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LAST summer, Kenneth C. Griffin and his wife, Anne, hedge fund managers both, were so rich that they did something most wealthy couples don’t do until much later in life. Still in their 30s, they hired a Ph.D. student in economics to help dole out their money to charities. Fast-forward six months, and Mr. Griffin, who built the Citadel Investment Group into one of the largest hedge funds in the world, has seen the value of his funds plunge by roughly $10 billion — one of the biggest amounts lost in the hedge fund carnage last year.
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And why not, when it is all built on paper. The bubble burst...

 

[mash107]

Because I know the mainstream media is full of shit. Because I listen to progressive/liberal media and I know what is going on.

That is why I laugh when people compare my radio show hosts to Rush. Or they compare Rachel Maddow to O'Reilly.

If you can't tell who is being more intellectually honest, then that's your problem, not mine.

We the people got Obama elected. We didn't listen to the "liberal" media telling us over and over that Michelle is a racist, obama is a muslim, socialist, pals around with terrorists.

The media couldn't help the GOP because their outragous claims were not believable. So when they saw we the people were in love with Obama, they went along. It wasn't that they sold us on Obama. If you think that is what happened, then I bet you a million dollars you didn't vote for Obama. You choose to live in an alternative reality.

Anyways, will Obama take on the Rothchilds, Carneges, Rockafellors and all the other filthy rich people that own this country? I am hoping he does as much as FDR did. FDR was VERY unpopular with the rich. They felt he was a traitor.

And if you are going to call Obama a sellout because he works with/talks to/helps business, then I don't know what to say, because if you expect or assume he should be anti corporation, then you are a fool, because they could/would take him down if he does not help them too.

I just don't want him to be like the GOP were. ALL in favor of business and fuck the middle class. Obama will be good for ALL OF US.

Just give it a fucking minute. You've already made up your mind.

Well you were wrong before, so you may be wrong again.

FDR exacerbated the Depression continuing the interventionist policies Hoover started and made it last 15 years instead of just a couple years. Obama differs -nothing- from McCain or Bush in terms of economic, and more importantly, monetary policies. You are just deluding yourself if you think otherwise. Bad debt and decisions made in the last 6 years must liquidate, and the harder the government tries to prevent this, the longer this depression will last.

You should also make a difference between being corporations that, like blood sucking parasites, make a living off the establishment and produce nothing valuable to society, and those corporations that produce things and help increase standard of living for all. FDR was unpopular because he usurped power and gave those bankers the very powers they were seeking for so long.

 

[Paulie]

Don't mind Sealy. He obviously doesn't differentiate between ethical and non-ethical corporations. They're all bad in his world.

I wonder how many of them he gives business to.

 

[sealybobo]

Don't mind Sealy. He obviously doesn't differentiate between ethical and non-ethical corporations. They're all bad in his world.

I wonder how many of them he gives business to.

You, and every other American needs to watch this documentary

America: Freedom to Fascism

America, From Freedom to Fascism, by Aaron Russo

Until you do, you will remain in the dark.

And for the guy who argued with me that Ron Paul does not agree with this documentary that the Federal Reserve & income tax are unconstitutional, I just watched it again last night and guess who is in the documentary? That's right, Dr. Paul. The last time I watched this, I must not have known who he was.

And that same idiot keeps telling me that Jefferson warned about government getting too big. That may be true, but in this documentary, you'll also read a few quotes from Jefferson warning us about Corporations and Banks getting too powerful.

He, and many other great Americans, warned us about letting the banks OWN our currency. Because if they own our currency, they own us.

And if you watch this documentary, you'll completely understand why our economy is in the tank. You'll also understand why the Great Depression occured. Same rich bankers caused BOTH! Ok, so maybe the bankers back then are dead, but their grandkids are alive and well.

And I'm not a Democrat on this one. Bill Clinton served these rich bankers too. For one, he passed legislation that made it harder for people to go bankrupt, and at the same time allowed the credit card companies to charge more in interest.

It is all designed to put us in further debt.

Anyways, I'm going to make this a new topic. Anyone who doesn't believe that the bankers bribed Congress to pass the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, don't know what they are talking about. If they want to deny it after seeing this documentary, then fine. But they won't have as much to say after watching it, because it will shoot down all their arguments.

It explains:

That the Federal Reserve Act didn't give congress any new taxing power.
That it says voluntary, not required to pay income tax.
That no one can show the law saying people must pay an income tax
How many people do get found not guilty because what I am saying is true, but the lower courts/judges will often not allow evidence in that will back your case up.
How the IRS won't let us audit the gold in Fort Knox.
The difference between direct and indirect taxes
Not enough states ratified the Federal Reserve Act
The Supreme court said income tax is unconstitutional, yet the lower courts suggest that this doesn't matter?
The bankers have more power/control of our government than our elected politicians

And much much more.

Simply, if you haven't seen this documentary, then you don't know what you are talking about. And once you see this documentary, you'll have a whole new opinion on why the economy is in the tank. It is on purpose. The more we go into debt, the better it is for the bankers. They just got $750 billion more!!!

 

[indago]

The Supreme court said income tax is unconstitutional

Where did the Supreme Court say this?

 

[Paulie]

Please Sealy.

I've seen that dcoumentary. I probably saw it before you'd even heard of it. It doesn't prove anything. It merely causes one to question things. That's all ANY of those documentaries are good for. Their job is to open your mind and get you to ask questions, and hopefully look around for your own answers and stop listening to the TV and the newspaper. It obviously hasn't worked on you, because you fell for Obama. You differentiate between what you perceive as favorable and unfavorable media coverage, when in reality, media coverage like Obama got for 2 straight years was nothing short of favorable. His name was planted into your mind everyday. If you forgot about him on Tuesday, they reminded you again on Wednesday. If you forgot by Saturday night because you got drunk that night, they reminded you again on Sunday. They said good things, bad things, neutral things. But in the end, they COVERED him, and that's all that matters. They implanted him into your conscious and your subconscious, and you fell for it. You'd have either picked him, or Hillary. And either way, the establishment would have gotten what it wanted.

The sooner you quit listening to the MSM, the better off you'll be.

 

[Skull Pilot]

End The Federal Reserve Bank - Sound Money For America!
Kill The Fed

 

[sealybobo]

The Supreme court said income tax is unconstitutional

Where did the Supreme Court say this?

They said it in the 1800's and then said in 1913 that the Federal Reserve Act gave congress no new taxing power.

PLEASE! If you care about politics and your country, get your hands on this documentary. I saw it years ago and it was powerful. Now after the last few years with the $750 bill and the AIG bailout from the Federal Reserve, it makes even more sense.

I need to watch it again and take notes.

It is unconstitutional to tax a man's wages. The tax was supposed to be on profits, not income. Before 1913, the corporations paid this tax, and ever since, we the people have paid more and more of it and the corporations have paid less and less.

And the dvd will explain this in great detail. It will explain direct vs indirect taxes, and the income tax is neither.

I should have taken notes yesterday so I could answer all of your questions, but I didn't. I will tonight.

Use the links I provided to dig a little. I also started a new threat called Freedom to Fascism, because that is the name of the DVD.

I hope to discuss this once you guys have watched it.

YOu can also utube it, but you need to see the whole thing.

Show me the law that says i must pay an income tax. No one can do it. If you say the 16th amendment, then show me where it says I must pay an income tax.

But don't do that until you see the DVD.

 

[sealybobo]

End The Federal Reserve Bank - Sound Money For America!
Kill The Fed

Aaron Russo got an interview with a former boss at the IRS. He totally busted that dude. The guy was getting sooo frustrated because Aaron had him dead to rights.

Then the guy said to Aaron Russo, "do you know what caviat emtor means?" ( i made up the latin word because I can't remember what he said exactly)

But what he told Aaron in Latin was, "nothing will help you".

Very scary.

 

[sealybobo]

Please Sealy.

I've seen that dcoumentary. I probably saw it before you'd even heard of it. It doesn't prove anything. It merely causes one to question things. That's all ANY of those documentaries are good for. Their job is to open your mind and get you to ask questions, and hopefully look around for your own answers and stop listening to the TV and the newspaper. It obviously hasn't worked on you, because you fell for Obama. You differentiate between what you perceive as favorable and unfavorable media coverage, when in reality, media coverage like Obama got for 2 straight years was nothing short of favorable. His name was planted into your mind everyday. If you forgot about him on Tuesday, they reminded you again on Wednesday. If you forgot by Saturday night because you got drunk that night, they reminded you again on Sunday. They said good things, bad things, neutral things. But in the end, they COVERED him, and that's all that matters. They implanted him into your conscious and your subconscious, and you fell for it. You'd have either picked him, or Hillary. And either way, the establishment would have gotten what it wanted.

The sooner you quit listening to the MSM, the better off you'll be.

The documentary PROVES without a shadow of a doubt that what I am telling you is true. He explains it all and you can not argue with what he is saying. And the IRS's only reply is that it's the law because they say it is the law. If that's good enough for you, then you are a typical sheep.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country.
A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit.
Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation,
therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely
controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world.
No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by
conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by
the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Are you a banker or IRS official? Then why do you not believe this? I'm going to watch it again tonight and take real good notes. But please, tell me why you think the Fed and Income tax are legal and constitutional, and I'll be ready to reply tomorrow.

And if you watched it long ago, watch it again. Makes even more sense now after seeing the Fed bail out AIG without any Congressional approval.

So how powerful are these bankers? And how can they bailout AIG without approval? The documentary explains, so watch it again.

Our founding fathers warned us, yet we allowed it. The President at the time (wilson), admitted it, yet you ignore him. And Ron Paul admits it, yet you ignore him too.

And you saw what they did to Dr. Paul when he spoke up. They made him IRRELIVENT!!!

I don't like libertarians, except for this one thing.

 

[sealybobo]

Please Sealy.

I've seen that dcoumentary. I probably saw it before you'd even heard of it. It doesn't prove anything. It merely causes one to question things. That's all ANY of those documentaries are good for. Their job is to open your mind and get you to ask questions, and hopefully look around for your own answers and stop listening to the TV and the newspaper. It obviously hasn't worked on you, because you fell for Obama. You differentiate between what you perceive as favorable and unfavorable media coverage, when in reality, media coverage like Obama got for 2 straight years was nothing short of favorable. His name was planted into your mind everyday. If you forgot about him on Tuesday, they reminded you again on Wednesday. If you forgot by Saturday night because you got drunk that night, they reminded you again on Sunday. They said good things, bad things, neutral things. But in the end, they COVERED him, and that's all that matters. They implanted him into your conscious and your subconscious, and you fell for it. You'd have either picked him, or Hillary. And either way, the establishment would have gotten what it wanted.

The sooner you quit listening to the MSM, the better off you'll be.

PS. I will also have tomorrow the court cases of people who were found not guilty of income tax evasion. You can not deny those cases happened, because they are on record for anyone to look up.

The documentary though will also explain how the courts/irs railroad/intimidate the people on trial and the jurors so that most people do not get a fair trail.

And the IRS refuses to sit down with these people and have a rational debate. Don't you find that odd?

And the idea that we gave the bankers all our gold and now the $1 is not backed by anything. Why would we do that?

I'll tell you why. Because those bankers bribed Congress in 1913. And their forefathers had been trying to accomplish this goal for 100 years before.