Kentucky Clerk Once Again Denies Gay Marriage License, Despite Federal Order

[RodISHI]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

She has every right when that is her name on the document they are requesting from her. The people voted her into that position.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

She has every right when that is her name on the document they are requesting from her. The people voted her into that position.

That is incorrect.

She does not have the right to use her position as an agent of the government to discriminate against the citizens of her county.

She has been found in violation of the law, her stay request was denied by the 6th Circruit, and an appeal to the Supreme Court to stay the judges ruling was also rejected.

She can decide to do her job or do the honorable thing and resign.


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[RodISHI]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

She has every right when that is her name on the document they are requesting from her. The people voted her into that position.

That is incorrect.

She does not have the right to use her position as an agent of the government to discriminate against the citizens of her county.

She has been found in violation of the law, her stay request was denied by the 6th Circruit, and an appeal to the Supreme Court to stay the judges ruling was also rejected.

She can decide to do her job or do the honorable thing and resign.


>>>>

She is an agent for the people of that county not the 'world'. She has not been "found in violation of the law". Extremist Judges in an out of control judicial circuit denying religious God given rights are not the law.

 

[peach174]

She should be fired and find a job she can actually do.

She is an elected official, so it makes things a little more complicated. I don't see why they couldn't impeach her though. She is refusing to do her job due to her religious convictions and that is going to fly in governmental business.

How many impeachments have we had as a Nation?
Just a handful, not very much. It is hard to do.

 

[Seawytch]

If she cannot treat others equally due to her religious beliefs, then she needs to go! Our government is secular. We do not deny people things based upon religious beliefs.

That is the argument of the left in recent years that our government is secular.
It's been an argument on and off since the 1890's by those that want a secular government.
The Feds can't set up a State Religion, not prohibit the Church from influencing the State.
This is what is happing with some courts ruling on Muslims having Sharia law right now.

So Peach...if a Muslim DMV supervisor told his office to stop issuing drivers licenses to women, that would be within his religious right to do so in your opinion, yes?

There is no Sharia law that prohibits women from driving.
That is a Government Law in Saudi Arabia and the only country that prohibits women from driving.

There is no biblical law preventing gays from civil marriage...that isn't stopping this particular thrice divorced clerk now is it?

It's obvious you don't want to answer the question because it would expose your hypocrisy.

I gave her ideology from her side of view.
it has nothing to do with mine.

And I gave you a potential Muslim perspective that you ignored...for the obvious reasons. You'd be a hypocrite.

 

[Debra K]

If you can't follow the federal laws, you should resign from the job.

The Federal government is your God

Nope. Most of us Americans are intelligent to see the problems that will arise if religious beliefs are allowed to corrupt our government. This the reason WHY the Pilgrims left England. Because their king did NOT allow religious freedom or freedom FROM religions. The government cannot interfere with your religious customs or practices to an EXTENT. Once your religious freedom denies another person their rights, that is where your religious freedom ends, and that just makes good sense. I mean, think about it, some day in America we could have a very large Muslim population. Keeping religious beliefs and customs out of government is just a great idea.

I agree. The law does not touch a person's beliefs. It can and does, however, reach a person's actions (conduct). For instance, a person's religion might demand the ritual killing of another person. But, if a person kills--even though done on the alleged "authority of God"--the government may still punish that person for committing murder.

 

[ChrisL]

She should be fired and find a job she can actually do.

She is an elected official, so it makes things a little more complicated. I don't see why they couldn't impeach her though. She is refusing to do her job due to her religious convictions and that is going to fly in governmental business.

How many impeachments have we had as a Nation?
Just a handful, not very much. It is hard to do.

Well it needs to be done in this case. This woman has no business staying in this position when she is refusing to do her job due to her bigotry and hatred.

 

[ChrisL]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

She has every right when that is her name on the document they are requesting from her. The people voted her into that position.

That is incorrect.

She does not have the right to use her position as an agent of the government to discriminate against the citizens of her county.

She has been found in violation of the law, her stay request was denied by the 6th Circruit, and an appeal to the Supreme Court to stay the judges ruling was also rejected.

She can decide to do her job or do the honorable thing and resign.


>>>>

She is an agent for the people of that county not the 'world'. She has not been "found in violation of the law". Extremist Judges in an out of control judicial circuit denying religious God given rights are not the law.

Sorry, we have our OWN laws. They don't have anything to do with your personal religious beliefs. What you need to remember is that a LOT of people who live here in America, work and pay taxes, do not agree with your personal beliefs. Your religion means no more here than the Muslim religion.

 

[peach174]

She should be fired and find a job she can actually do.

She is an elected official, so it makes things a little more complicated. I don't see why they couldn't impeach her though. She is refusing to do her job due to her religious convictions and that is going to fly in governmental business.

How many impeachments have we had as a Nation?
Just a handful, not very much. It is hard to do.

Well it needs to be done in this case. This woman has no business staying in this position when she is refusing to do her job due to her bigotry and hatred.

It is not bigotry and hatred.
It is what God says and her religious rights.
This should have been handled much differently, where everyone got their constitutional rights and not one over the other.

 

[ChrisL]

She should be fired and find a job she can actually do.

She is an elected official, so it makes things a little more complicated. I don't see why they couldn't impeach her though. She is refusing to do her job due to her religious convictions and that is going to fly in governmental business.

How many impeachments have we had as a Nation?
Just a handful, not very much. It is hard to do.

Well it needs to be done in this case. This woman has no business staying in this position when she is refusing to do her job due to her bigotry and hatred.

It is not bigotry and hatred.
It is what God says and her religious rights.
This should have been handled much differently, where everyone got their constitutional rights and not one over the other.

No, her religious views don't mean anything to be honest. She is entitled to have them and to practice them in her own personal life. She is not allowed to dictate to others how they should live their lives. That is how we want to keep things here in America. No need to mix government with religious beliefs. It leads to nothing good or productive.

 

[Debra K]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

She has every right when that is her name on the document they are requesting from her. The people voted her into that position.

That is incorrect.

She does not have the right to use her position as an agent of the government to discriminate against the citizens of her county.

She has been found in violation of the law, her stay request was denied by the 6th Circruit, and an appeal to the Supreme Court to stay the judges ruling was also rejected.

She can decide to do her job or do the honorable thing and resign.


>>>>

She is an agent for the people of that county not the 'world'. She has not been "found in violation of the law". Extremist Judges in an out of control judicial circuit denying religious God given rights are not the law.

Because marriage may only be entered into, maintained, and dissolved in accordance with state law, and it is a state statute that imposes a duty on county clerks to issue marriage licenses to all qualified applicants, she is an agent of the state.

The state government can only speak and act through its agents. When Kim Davis--an agent of the state--refused to issue marriage licenses "on God's authority", she is establishing religion in violation of the First Amendment (applicable to states via the Fourteenth Amendment).

 

[peach174]

She should be fired and find a job she can actually do.

She is an elected official, so it makes things a little more complicated. I don't see why they couldn't impeach her though. She is refusing to do her job due to her religious convictions and that is going to fly in governmental business.

How many impeachments have we had as a Nation?
Just a handful, not very much. It is hard to do.

Well it needs to be done in this case. This woman has no business staying in this position when she is refusing to do her job due to her bigotry and hatred.

It is not bigotry and hatred.
It is what God says and her religious rights.
This should have been handled much differently, where everyone got their constitutional rights and not one over the other.

No, her religious views don't mean anything to be honest. She is entitled to have them and to practice them in her own personal life. She is not allowed to dictate to others how they should live their lives. That is how we want to keep things here in America. No need to mix government with religious beliefs. It leads to nothing good or productive.

Yet it is the very 1st sentence in the 1st Amendment.

 

[ChrisL]

She is an elected official, so it makes things a little more complicated. I don't see why they couldn't impeach her though. She is refusing to do her job due to her religious convictions and that is going to fly in governmental business.

How many impeachments have we had as a Nation?
Just a handful, not very much. It is hard to do.

Well it needs to be done in this case. This woman has no business staying in this position when she is refusing to do her job due to her bigotry and hatred.

It is not bigotry and hatred.
It is what God says and her religious rights.
This should have been handled much differently, where everyone got their constitutional rights and not one over the other.

No, her religious views don't mean anything to be honest. She is entitled to have them and to practice them in her own personal life. She is not allowed to dictate to others how they should live their lives. That is how we want to keep things here in America. No need to mix government with religious beliefs. It leads to nothing good or productive.

Yet it is the very 1st sentence in the 1st Amendment.

She is still free to practice her religion in any way she chooses and any religion she chooses without government interference. What she cannot do is bring her religious views to her governmental job and expect other people (who are free) to abide by her religious views.

The freedom of religion means that the government cannot interfere with your choices regarding your religious beliefs. It does not mean that you can enforce your religious views on anyone and everyone. End thread/

 

[RodISHI]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

She has every right when that is her name on the document they are requesting from her. The people voted her into that position.

That is incorrect.

She does not have the right to use her position as an agent of the government to discriminate against the citizens of her county.

She has been found in violation of the law, her stay request was denied by the 6th Circruit, and an appeal to the Supreme Court to stay the judges ruling was also rejected.

She can decide to do her job or do the honorable thing and resign.


>>>>

She is an agent for the people of that county not the 'world'. She has not been "found in violation of the law". Extremist Judges in an out of control judicial circuit denying religious God given rights are not the law.

Because marriage may only be entered into, maintained, and dissolved in accordance with state law, and it is a state statute that imposes a duty on county clerks to issue marriage licenses to all qualified applicants, she is an agent of the state.

The state government can only speak and act through its agents. When Kim Davis--an agent of the state--refused to issue marriage licenses "on God's authority", she is establishing religion in violation of the First Amendment (applicable to states via the Fourteenth Amendment).

She is voted into that office by the people of that county. Her freedom of religious beliefs are not trumped by some whining sodomites or out of control judges. The state of Kentucky did not hire her the people of Rowan County elected her.

She is not establishing a religion she is confirming her faith in a 2,000 year old religion, that is based upon a religion dated back for eons.

And again Sodomy is not a constitutionally protected right, religious freedom is.

If a few activist judges want to give sodomites authority over the people that actually believe in God as the higher authority maybe we should all be intently checking into their personal history too!

Now for the Biblically illiterate and the antichrist among you;
The Lord gave his own bride a writ of divorcement; that is only until He calls His bride back to Him.

This lady has been called back and she repented so calling her a hypocrite just shows how asinine y'all are.

 

[ChrisL]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

She has every right when that is her name on the document they are requesting from her. The people voted her into that position.

That is incorrect.

She does not have the right to use her position as an agent of the government to discriminate against the citizens of her county.

She has been found in violation of the law, her stay request was denied by the 6th Circruit, and an appeal to the Supreme Court to stay the judges ruling was also rejected.

She can decide to do her job or do the honorable thing and resign.


>>>>

She is an agent for the people of that county not the 'world'. She has not been "found in violation of the law". Extremist Judges in an out of control judicial circuit denying religious God given rights are not the law.

Because marriage may only be entered into, maintained, and dissolved in accordance with state law, and it is a state statute that imposes a duty on county clerks to issue marriage licenses to all qualified applicants, she is an agent of the state.

The state government can only speak and act through its agents. When Kim Davis--an agent of the state--refused to issue marriage licenses "on God's authority", she is establishing religion in violation of the First Amendment (applicable to states via the Fourteenth Amendment).

She is voted into that office by the people of that county. Her freedom of religious beliefs are not trumped by some whining sodomites or out of control judges. The state of Kentucky did not hire her the people of Rowan County elected her.

She is not establishing a religion she is confirming her faith in a 2,000 year old religion, that is based upon a religion dated back for eons.

And again Sodomy is not a constitutionally protected right, religious freedom is.

If a few activist judges want to give sodomites authority over the people that actually believe in God as the higher authority maybe we should all be intently checking into their personal history too!

Now for the Biblically illiterate and the antichrist among you;
The Lord gave his own bride a writ of divorcement; that is only until He calls His bride back to Him.

This lady has been called back and she repented so calling her a hypocrite just shows how asinine y'all are.

Nope, you are wrong. This is a free country. She does not have the right to discriminate against a person because he or she is gay here in America. If she cannot perform her job duties, then she should resign.

 

[ChrisL]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

She has every right when that is her name on the document they are requesting from her. The people voted her into that position.

That is incorrect.

She does not have the right to use her position as an agent of the government to discriminate against the citizens of her county.

She has been found in violation of the law, her stay request was denied by the 6th Circruit, and an appeal to the Supreme Court to stay the judges ruling was also rejected.

She can decide to do her job or do the honorable thing and resign.


>>>>

She is an agent for the people of that county not the 'world'. She has not been "found in violation of the law". Extremist Judges in an out of control judicial circuit denying religious God given rights are not the law.

Because marriage may only be entered into, maintained, and dissolved in accordance with state law, and it is a state statute that imposes a duty on county clerks to issue marriage licenses to all qualified applicants, she is an agent of the state.

The state government can only speak and act through its agents. When Kim Davis--an agent of the state--refused to issue marriage licenses "on God's authority", she is establishing religion in violation of the First Amendment (applicable to states via the Fourteenth Amendment).

She is voted into that office by the people of that county. Her freedom of religious beliefs are not trumped by some whining sodomites or out of control judges. The state of Kentucky did not hire her the people of Rowan County elected her.

She is not establishing a religion she is confirming her faith in a 2,000 year old religion, that is based upon a religion dated back for eons.

And again Sodomy is not a constitutionally protected right, religious freedom is.

If a few activist judges want to give sodomites authority over the people that actually believe in God as the higher authority maybe we should all be intently checking into their personal history too!

Now for the Biblically illiterate and the antichrist among you;
The Lord gave his own bride a writ of divorcement; that is only until He calls His bride back to Him.

This lady has been called back and she repented so calling her a hypocrite just shows how asinine y'all are.

I don't really think you understand Freedom of Religion. Now, she is free to practice her religion. What she cannot do is bring her religious beliefs into her governmental job. That would be establishing a religion.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Currently playing the worlds smallest violin for progressive activists outraged that a government employee can't be fired #LoisLerner

 

[RodISHI]

She has every right when that is her name on the document they are requesting from her. The people voted her into that position.

That is incorrect.

She does not have the right to use her position as an agent of the government to discriminate against the citizens of her county.

She has been found in violation of the law, her stay request was denied by the 6th Circruit, and an appeal to the Supreme Court to stay the judges ruling was also rejected.

She can decide to do her job or do the honorable thing and resign.


>>>>

She is an agent for the people of that county not the 'world'. She has not been "found in violation of the law". Extremist Judges in an out of control judicial circuit denying religious God given rights are not the law.

Because marriage may only be entered into, maintained, and dissolved in accordance with state law, and it is a state statute that imposes a duty on county clerks to issue marriage licenses to all qualified applicants, she is an agent of the state.

The state government can only speak and act through its agents. When Kim Davis--an agent of the state--refused to issue marriage licenses "on God's authority", she is establishing religion in violation of the First Amendment (applicable to states via the Fourteenth Amendment).

She is voted into that office by the people of that county. Her freedom of religious beliefs are not trumped by some whining sodomites or out of control judges. The state of Kentucky did not hire her the people of Rowan County elected her.

She is not establishing a religion she is confirming her faith in a 2,000 year old religion, that is based upon a religion dated back for eons.

And again Sodomy is not a constitutionally protected right, religious freedom is.

If a few activist judges want to give sodomites authority over the people that actually believe in God as the higher authority maybe we should all be intently checking into their personal history too!

Now for the Biblically illiterate and the antichrist among you;
The Lord gave his own bride a writ of divorcement; that is only until He calls His bride back to Him.

This lady has been called back and she repented so calling her a hypocrite just shows how asinine y'all are.

Nope, you are wrong. This is a free country. She does not have the right to discriminate against a person because he or she is gay here in America. If she cannot perform her job duties, then she should resign.

No if the people of Rowan County what her out they know the route to take. She does not have to ***QUIT*** for you or anyone else.

You are correct it is still a free country and the people as of today still have the right to descent over ridiculous crap and obviously at this point she is. The sodomites and the haters do wish to change that though and ride over the peoples hearts and minds. You evidently must think that you have the right to do that but you do not.

 

[ChrisL]

That is incorrect.

She does not have the right to use her position as an agent of the government to discriminate against the citizens of her county.

She has been found in violation of the law, her stay request was denied by the 6th Circruit, and an appeal to the Supreme Court to stay the judges ruling was also rejected.

She can decide to do her job or do the honorable thing and resign.


>>>>

She is an agent for the people of that county not the 'world'. She has not been "found in violation of the law". Extremist Judges in an out of control judicial circuit denying religious God given rights are not the law.

Because marriage may only be entered into, maintained, and dissolved in accordance with state law, and it is a state statute that imposes a duty on county clerks to issue marriage licenses to all qualified applicants, she is an agent of the state.

The state government can only speak and act through its agents. When Kim Davis--an agent of the state--refused to issue marriage licenses "on God's authority", she is establishing religion in violation of the First Amendment (applicable to states via the Fourteenth Amendment).

She is voted into that office by the people of that county. Her freedom of religious beliefs are not trumped by some whining sodomites or out of control judges. The state of Kentucky did not hire her the people of Rowan County elected her.

She is not establishing a religion she is confirming her faith in a 2,000 year old religion, that is based upon a religion dated back for eons.

And again Sodomy is not a constitutionally protected right, religious freedom is.

If a few activist judges want to give sodomites authority over the people that actually believe in God as the higher authority maybe we should all be intently checking into their personal history too!

Now for the Biblically illiterate and the antichrist among you;
The Lord gave his own bride a writ of divorcement; that is only until He calls His bride back to Him.

This lady has been called back and she repented so calling her a hypocrite just shows how asinine y'all are.

Nope, you are wrong. This is a free country. She does not have the right to discriminate against a person because he or she is gay here in America. If she cannot perform her job duties, then she should resign.

No if the people of Rowan County what her out they know the route to take. She does not have to ***QUIT*** for you or anyone else.

You are correct it is still a free country and the people as of today still have the right to descent over ridiculous crap and obviously at this point she is. The sodomites and the haters do wish to change that though and ride over the peoples hearts and minds. You evidently must think that you have the right to do that but you do not.

If she cannot perform her job duties, then she needs to resign or be impeached. That is all there is to it. We are all considered equal in this country, and gay people contribute to the economy, pay taxes and are citizens. If anyone is hateful, it is you who claim to be "Christians." Nobody is really buying it.

 

[ChrisL]

That is incorrect.

She does not have the right to use her position as an agent of the government to discriminate against the citizens of her county.

She has been found in violation of the law, her stay request was denied by the 6th Circruit, and an appeal to the Supreme Court to stay the judges ruling was also rejected.

She can decide to do her job or do the honorable thing and resign.


>>>>

She is an agent for the people of that county not the 'world'. She has not been "found in violation of the law". Extremist Judges in an out of control judicial circuit denying religious God given rights are not the law.

Because marriage may only be entered into, maintained, and dissolved in accordance with state law, and it is a state statute that imposes a duty on county clerks to issue marriage licenses to all qualified applicants, she is an agent of the state.

The state government can only speak and act through its agents. When Kim Davis--an agent of the state--refused to issue marriage licenses "on God's authority", she is establishing religion in violation of the First Amendment (applicable to states via the Fourteenth Amendment).

She is voted into that office by the people of that county. Her freedom of religious beliefs are not trumped by some whining sodomites or out of control judges. The state of Kentucky did not hire her the people of Rowan County elected her.

She is not establishing a religion she is confirming her faith in a 2,000 year old religion, that is based upon a religion dated back for eons.

And again Sodomy is not a constitutionally protected right, religious freedom is.

If a few activist judges want to give sodomites authority over the people that actually believe in God as the higher authority maybe we should all be intently checking into their personal history too!

Now for the Biblically illiterate and the antichrist among you;
The Lord gave his own bride a writ of divorcement; that is only until He calls His bride back to Him.

This lady has been called back and she repented so calling her a hypocrite just shows how asinine y'all are.

Nope, you are wrong. This is a free country. She does not have the right to discriminate against a person because he or she is gay here in America. If she cannot perform her job duties, then she should resign.

No if the people of Rowan County what her out they know the route to take. She does not have to ***QUIT*** for you or anyone else.

You are correct it is still a free country and the people as of today still have the right to descent over ridiculous crap and obviously at this point she is. The sodomites and the haters do wish to change that though and ride over the peoples hearts and minds. You evidently must think that you have the right to do that but you do not.

Her job is to issue marriage licenses. Not to judge people or give out licenses at her own discretion. That is just ridiculous and she needs to go.