CDZ Just a Coincidence

[william the wie]

Wednesday I posted a thread stock about China's ongoing collapse due to gaming GDP numbers and today on CNBC's website the 3rd story was about factories closing in China due to excessive regulation, costs and other inputs.

Yeah China is headed down and the Lehman Brothers moment should come within two years but that ain't written in stone.

 

[Fishlore]

Economic collapse in China would simplify some of the problems the USA is facing. China at the moment is trying to make the rather difficult transition from growth through low-wage export industries to growth through the domestic consumer market. This is never easy and most nations working at it aren't being very successful. China has a strong central government and a culture that emphasizes harmony and cooperation. I wouldn't count them out yet.

 

[william the wie]

The collapse based on the Japanese model of industrialization and transition has already been going strong since @ 1999 possibly earlier and so far no Chinese Putin.

 

[Picaro]

Why do businesses feel compelled to lie about why they're closing? It's ridiculous. We know it's caused by glut and steadily shrinking disposable incomes. The off-shoring only creates temporary, localized 'booms', and low wages means your domestic market can't maintain the consumption levels needed. AS for 'excessive regulation', anybody seen all the pics of what smog is like in Peking and other major cities in Red China?

 

[william the wie]

Why do businesses feel compelled to lie about why they're closing? It's ridiculous. We know it's caused by glut and steadily shrinking disposable incomes. The off-shoring only creates temporary, localized 'booms', and low wages means your domestic market can't maintain the consumption levels needed. AS for 'excessive regulation', anybody seen all the pics of what smog is like in Peking and other major cities in Red China?

Preaching to the choir on air and water pollution but the problem is internal labor force regulation. Is applicant Cho Wang a lawful Chinese resident of the city and province?

There is a greater than 0.1% probability that the individual in question is not legally human under Chinese law. (Except for one study quoting another there does not seem to be any consensus on how big this problem is and what besides violations of the one child policy makes someone an illegal person.)

The person can have a 1,000 year history of living in China and is not Chinese under Chinese law. More than 1% probability.

And then there is the minutiae about labor force residence. Every once in a while there is a scandal about wild cat housing and subsidized housing

Where are you allowed to establish a business and is there overlap on utility coverage for the business you are setting up?

Most of the Chinese economy is off the books as in China outproduces the rest of the world in the development and distribution of not yet banned over the counter recreational drugs.

 

[FA_Q2]

Why do businesses feel compelled to lie about why they're closing? It's ridiculous. We know it's caused by glut and steadily shrinking disposable incomes. The off-shoring only creates temporary, localized 'booms', and low wages means your domestic market can't maintain the consumption levels needed. AS for 'excessive regulation', anybody seen all the pics of what smog is like in Peking and other major cities in Red China?

Air and water standards do not encompass the entirety of regulation.

 

[Picaro]

Air and water standards do not encompass the entirety of regulation.

Didn't claim they did, just cited a most glaring example. The lax environmental laws are indeed a major factor in why manufacturers 're-located' there, along with the cheap labor the Red Chinese govt. provides, and of course the tax subsidies our own govt. gives them. The govt. enforces all manner of legalized slavery via its labor laws, they just call them 'employment contracts' and are a distinction without a difference. You can easily figure out why that ties in with having 'illegal residence' laws to help out with those.

 

[william the wie]

Air and water standards do not encompass the entirety of regulation.

Didn't claim they did, just cited a most glaring example. The lax environmental laws are indeed a major factor in why manufacturers 're-located' there, along with the cheap labor the Red Chinese govt. provides, and of course the tax subsidies our own govt. gives them. The govt. enforces all manner of legalized slavery via its labor laws, they just call them 'employment contracts' and are a distinction without a difference. You can easily figure out why that ties in with having 'illegal residence' laws to help out with those.

Are you indicting the US, China or both? I tend to incline to both but with China being the bigger offender with the blind eye they give to "Snake head" Human traffickers. The internet puts out what amounts to the going rate for annual rental rates of Asian women according to nationality and age. It seems like about every three months some woman poster puts out a thread on the subject along with links but curiously the trafficking of Latin American or European women to the US rarely generates threads.

 

[Picaro]

Air and water standards do not encompass the entirety of regulation.

Didn't claim they did, just cited a most glaring example. The lax environmental laws are indeed a major factor in why manufacturers 're-located' there, along with the cheap labor the Red Chinese govt. provides, and of course the tax subsidies our own govt. gives them. The govt. enforces all manner of legalized slavery via its labor laws, they just call them 'employment contracts' and are a distinction without a difference. You can easily figure out why that ties in with having 'illegal residence' laws to help out with those.

Are you indicting the US, China or both? I tend to incline to both but with China being the bigger offender with the blind eye they give to "Snake head" Human traffickers. The internet puts out what amounts to the going rate for annual rental rates of Asian women according to nationality and age. It seems like about every three months some woman poster puts out a thread on the subject along with links but curiously the trafficking of Latin American or European women to the US rarely generates threads.

The Chinese restrict internal travel because it makes it easier on them to distribute jobs and the like, and reduces strains on a given area's infrastucture; no massive mobs racing from one boom town to another. Multi-nationals of course have zero problems with regulating and forcefully controlling labor; they never have, and would have no problems with the U.S. govt. treating workers the same way. They get along famously with the highly regulated Red Chinese way of doing things.

And yes, the slave trade in the U.S. is also a disgrace, but just try and get a budget to fight it out of Congress, and particularly 'conservatives' to vote for going after slave trading effectively; they won't even fund more investigators and auditors to fight Medicare and Medicaid fraud.

 

[william the wie]

Air and water standards do not encompass the entirety of regulation.

Didn't claim they did, just cited a most glaring example. The lax environmental laws are indeed a major factor in why manufacturers 're-located' there, along with the cheap labor the Red Chinese govt. provides, and of course the tax subsidies our own govt. gives them. The govt. enforces all manner of legalized slavery via its labor laws, they just call them 'employment contracts' and are a distinction without a difference. You can easily figure out why that ties in with having 'illegal residence' laws to help out with those.

Are you indicting the US, China or both? I tend to incline to both but with China being the bigger offender with the blind eye they give to "Snake head" Human traffickers. The internet puts out what amounts to the going rate for annual rental rates of Asian women according to nationality and age. It seems like about every three months some woman poster puts out a thread on the subject along with links but curiously the trafficking of Latin American or European women to the US rarely generates threads.

The Chinese restrict internal travel because it makes it easier on them to distribute jobs and the like, and reduces strains on a given area's infrastucture; no massive mobs racing from one boom town to another. Multi-nationals of course have zero problems with regulating and forcefully controlling labor; they never have, and would have no problems with the U.S. govt. treating workers the same way. They get along famously with the highly regulated Red Chinese way of doing things.

And yes, the slave trade in the U.S. is also a disgrace, but just try and get a budget to fight it out of Congress, and particularly 'conservatives' to vote for going after slave trading effectively; they won't even fund more investigators and auditors to fight Medicare and Medicaid fraud.

While I agree with your disgust, the triads have been part of Chinese governments forever. If you read Sun Tzu carefully you'll find this doctrine of providing women and pretty boys to possible opponents and using dip passports to do so with gangs providing fall guys has been an integral part of Chinese foreign policy for at least 2,500 years. None of our law enforcement efforts address this issue. In regards to Asia we are mistaking a Go board for a checkers board.

 

[Picaro]

Air and water standards do not encompass the entirety of regulation.

Didn't claim they did, just cited a most glaring example. The lax environmental laws are indeed a major factor in why manufacturers 're-located' there, along with the cheap labor the Red Chinese govt. provides, and of course the tax subsidies our own govt. gives them. The govt. enforces all manner of legalized slavery via its labor laws, they just call them 'employment contracts' and are a distinction without a difference. You can easily figure out why that ties in with having 'illegal residence' laws to help out with those.

Are you indicting the US, China or both? I tend to incline to both but with China being the bigger offender with the blind eye they give to "Snake head" Human traffickers. The internet puts out what amounts to the going rate for annual rental rates of Asian women according to nationality and age. It seems like about every three months some woman poster puts out a thread on the subject along with links but curiously the trafficking of Latin American or European women to the US rarely generates threads.

The Chinese restrict internal travel because it makes it easier on them to distribute jobs and the like, and reduces strains on a given area's infrastucture; no massive mobs racing from one boom town to another. Multi-nationals of course have zero problems with regulating and forcefully controlling labor; they never have, and would have no problems with the U.S. govt. treating workers the same way. They get along famously with the highly regulated Red Chinese way of doing things.

And yes, the slave trade in the U.S. is also a disgrace, but just try and get a budget to fight it out of Congress, and particularly 'conservatives' to vote for going after slave trading effectively; they won't even fund more investigators and auditors to fight Medicare and Medicaid fraud.

While I agree with your disgust, the triads have been part of Chinese governments forever. If you read Sun Tzu carefully you'll find this doctrine of providing women and pretty boys to possible opponents and using dip passports to do so with gangs providing fall guys has been an integral part of Chinese foreign policy for at least 2,500 years. None of our law enforcement efforts address this issue. In regards to Asia we are mistaking a Go board for a checkers board.

Yes, I'm very aware of Triads; I've worked in Asia, and with some of the groups here working to smuggle Christians, political activists, and slaves out of places like Thailand, Viet Nam, Red China, many parts of Africa, India, and Indonesia over the years, not so much the last 20 years, though, too old for the risk any more, plus our own govt. doesn't like those people, they annoy 'allies' and 'friendly' pirates and the like, and make a lot of Washington pols' jobs harder when news about them get out. We got some assistance from Triads, in fact; you pretty much have to deal with them when arranging things like ships and 'paperwork'.

 

[william the wie]

One thing I have found bizarre ever since I sponsored a gym buddy on a mercy ship is the why of the speed of burn out in such work. How is it that by all reports the countries that are having real problems due to femicide sell women so cheaply and so often despite scarcity value at home? That behavior doesn't even make good nonsense and the explanations for it do not make sense.