Judge Rules Recordings Of Racist Cops Won't Be Made Public

[Billiejeens]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

There was an easy solution for that. Address the issues before they got out of hand.

Before what issue got out of hand, cop racism or the rioting? It may or may not be true that racism on the part of police officers is out of hand but it's most certainly true that the response has gotten out of hand. Racism on the part of police officers in no way justifies the looting, burning of property or the assault and intimidation of citizens.

Everyone has a personal responsibility to curb their violent and/or racist impulses, not just the police.

Will things correct too far in the other direction to then have to be corrected also?

It already has gone too far. Unless you think burning somebody's liquor store who is innocent of racism or police brutality is not far enough.

Very possible but that's what happens when you ignore an issue for so long.

There's no excuse.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

Agreed.

Probably don't agree on who are the tyrants and who are the patriots -

Hence the conflict.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

There was an easy solution for that. Address the issues before they got out of hand.

Before what issue got out of hand, cop racism or the rioting? It may or may not be true that racism on the part of police officers is out of hand but it's most certainly true that the response has gotten out of hand. Racism on the part of police officers in no way justifies the looting, burning of property or the assault and intimidation of citizens.

Everyone has a personal responsibility to curb their violent and/or racist impulses, not just the police.

Will things correct too far in the other direction to then have to be corrected also?

It already has gone too far. Unless you think burning somebody's liquor store who is innocent of racism or police brutality is not far enough.

Very possible but that's what happens when you ignore an issue for so long.

There's no excuse.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

Can I assume from this then that we won't hear any complaining from you if a conservative shoots a left-wing protester out of self defense or to protect a business or another person?

 

[pknopp]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

There was an easy solution for that. Address the issues before they got out of hand.

Before what issue got out of hand, cop racism or the rioting? It may or may not be true that racism on the part of police officers is out of hand but it's most certainly true that the response has gotten out of hand. Racism on the part of police officers in no way justifies the looting, burning of property or the assault and intimidation of citizens.

Everyone has a personal responsibility to curb their violent and/or racist impulses, not just the police.

Will things correct too far in the other direction to then have to be corrected also?

It already has gone too far. Unless you think burning somebody's liquor store who is innocent of racism or police brutality is not far enough.

Very possible but that's what happens when you ignore an issue for so long.

There's no excuse.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

Agreed.

Probably don't agree on who are the tyrants and who are the patriots -

Hence the conflict.

Jefferson was speaking of the people.

 

[pknopp]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

There was an easy solution for that. Address the issues before they got out of hand.

Before what issue got out of hand, cop racism or the rioting? It may or may not be true that racism on the part of police officers is out of hand but it's most certainly true that the response has gotten out of hand. Racism on the part of police officers in no way justifies the looting, burning of property or the assault and intimidation of citizens.

Everyone has a personal responsibility to curb their violent and/or racist impulses, not just the police.

Will things correct too far in the other direction to then have to be corrected also?

It already has gone too far. Unless you think burning somebody's liquor store who is innocent of racism or police brutality is not far enough.

Very possible but that's what happens when you ignore an issue for so long.

There's no excuse.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

Can I assume from this then that we won't hear any complaining from you if a conservative shoots a left-wing protester out of self defense or to protect a business or another person?

A person has the right to protect their property. A person has a right to actual self defense. It's why no charges were brought against Kenneth Walker. A persons beliefs doesn't come into play in either instance.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

So in other words, purging bad cops who get caught in the middle of their racist race war fantasies is a slippery slope?? How??

That depends on what you mean by "purging bad cops". If you mean changing the system or the current racial zeitgeist through awareness and education, then no, it's not a slippery slope. But if you mean committing violence and destruction of property and assault of citizens, or screaming in someone's face for wearing a MAGA hat or a Blue Lives Matter T-shirt then yes, it is a slippery slope.

Having said that, do you mean to tell me that the head kicking incident and the killing of the Trump supporter in Portland and the Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha were not obvious clues to you that we are already careering down a slippery slope? Are you deaf and blind or just stupid?

 

[Billiejeens]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

There was an easy solution for that. Address the issues before they got out of hand.

Before what issue got out of hand, cop racism or the rioting? It may or may not be true that racism on the part of police officers is out of hand but it's most certainly true that the response has gotten out of hand. Racism on the part of police officers in no way justifies the looting, burning of property or the assault and intimidation of citizens.

Everyone has a personal responsibility to curb their violent and/or racist impulses, not just the police.

Will things correct too far in the other direction to then have to be corrected also?

It already has gone too far. Unless you think burning somebody's liquor store who is innocent of racism or police brutality is not far enough.

Very possible but that's what happens when you ignore an issue for so long.

There's no excuse.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

Agreed.

Probably don't agree on who are the tyrants and who are the patriots -

Hence the conflict.

Jefferson was speaking of the people.

Me too

 

[pknopp]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

So in other words, purging bad cops who get caught in the middle of their racist race war fantasies is a slippery slope?? How??

That depends on what you mean by "purging bad cops". If you mean changing the system or the current racial zeitgeist through awareness and education, then no, it's not a slippery slope. But if you mean committing violence and destruction of property and assault of citizens, or screaming in someone's face for wearing a MAGA hat or a Blue Lives Matter T-shirt then yes, it is a slippery slope.

People tried to enact change by other means. Violence is the only thing that has worked. When people peacefully protested and tried to state their complaints the president called them SOB's.

Having said that, do you mean to tell me that the head kicking incident and the killing of the Trump supporter in Portland and the Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha were not obvious clues to you that we are already careering down a slippery slope? Are you deaf and blind or just stupid?

t was on this day in 1765 that the British Parliament signed the Stamp Act, a move that lit the fuse for a revolution in the American colonies that burned for a decade.

The disgust with the tax peaked on August 14, 1765, when an angry mob in Boston reacted to the first incident of “taxation without representation” in the colonies, an event that foreshadowed open rebellion 10 years later.

The prolonged violence showed the British government that it had severely miscalculated a taxing effort to pay for nearly 10,000 British troops who remained stationed on American soil after the French and Indian War concluded.

The seeds of Revolution: The Stamp Act protests in Boston - National Constitution Center

One would think that those in positions of leadership would learn from history but that rarely seems to be the case.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

There was an easy solution for that. Address the issues before they got out of hand.

Before what issue got out of hand, cop racism or the rioting? It may or may not be true that racism on the part of police officers is out of hand but it's most certainly true that the response has gotten out of hand. Racism on the part of police officers in no way justifies the looting, burning of property or the assault and intimidation of citizens.

Everyone has a personal responsibility to curb their violent and/or racist impulses, not just the police.

Will things correct too far in the other direction to then have to be corrected also?

It already has gone too far. Unless you think burning somebody's liquor store who is innocent of racism or police brutality is not far enough.

Very possible but that's what happens when you ignore an issue for so long.

There's no excuse.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

Can I assume from this then that we won't hear any complaining from you if a conservative shoots a left-wing protester out of self defense or to protect a business or another person?

A person has the right to protect their property. A person has a right to actual self defense. It's why no charges were brought against Kenneth Walker. A persons beliefs doesn't come into play in either instance.

So the obvious question becomes: In the current divide in this country, who are the patriots and who are the tyrants? And since the blood of both is to be expected (as apparently Jefferson believed), does either side have any call or right to point fingers?

 

[pknopp]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

There was an easy solution for that. Address the issues before they got out of hand.

Before what issue got out of hand, cop racism or the rioting? It may or may not be true that racism on the part of police officers is out of hand but it's most certainly true that the response has gotten out of hand. Racism on the part of police officers in no way justifies the looting, burning of property or the assault and intimidation of citizens.

Everyone has a personal responsibility to curb their violent and/or racist impulses, not just the police.

Will things correct too far in the other direction to then have to be corrected also?

It already has gone too far. Unless you think burning somebody's liquor store who is innocent of racism or police brutality is not far enough.

Very possible but that's what happens when you ignore an issue for so long.

There's no excuse.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

Can I assume from this then that we won't hear any complaining from you if a conservative shoots a left-wing protester out of self defense or to protect a business or another person?

A person has the right to protect their property. A person has a right to actual self defense. It's why no charges were brought against Kenneth Walker. A persons beliefs doesn't come into play in either instance.

So the obvious question becomes: In the current divide in this country, who are the patriots and who are the tyrants? And since the blood of both is to be expected (as apparently Jefferson believed), does either side have any call or right to point fingers?

Yes. Jefferson states the reason for this. A government not addressing the problems brought by the people. The Revolutionary War came about because those in charge ignored the people.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

So in other words, purging bad cops who get caught in the middle of their racist race war fantasies is a slippery slope?? How??

That depends on what you mean by "purging bad cops". If you mean changing the system or the current racial zeitgeist through awareness and education, then no, it's not a slippery slope. But if you mean committing violence and destruction of property and assault of citizens, or screaming in someone's face for wearing a MAGA hat or a Blue Lives Matter T-shirt then yes, it is a slippery slope.

People tried to enact change by other means. Violence is the only thing that has worked. When people peacefully protested and tried to state their complaints the president called them SOB's.

And? So the solution is to create thousands more victims of people who had nothing to do with the shootings or the president's position on the matter?

Having said that, do you mean to tell me that the head kicking incident and the killing of the Trump supporter in Portland and the Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha were not obvious clues to you that we are already careering down a slippery slope? Are you deaf and blind or just stupid?

t was on this day in 1765 that the British Parliament signed the Stamp Act, a move that lit the fuse for a revolution in the American colonies that burned for a decade.

The disgust with the tax peaked on August 14, 1765, when an angry mob in Boston reacted to the first incident of “taxation without representation” in the colonies, an event that foreshadowed open rebellion 10 years later.

The prolonged violence showed the British government that it had severely miscalculated a taxing effort to pay for nearly 10,000 British troops who remained stationed on American soil after the French and Indian War concluded.

The seeds of Revolution: The Stamp Act protests in Boston - National Constitution Center

One would think that those in positions of leadership would learn from history but that rarely seems to be the case.

Here's the key difference: The patriots of that time committed violence against those who actually did them wrong. They did not indiscriminately destroy property and businesses just because they were there.

The one major problem with all this rioting and looting is that the wrong people are being punished.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

There was an easy solution for that. Address the issues before they got out of hand.

Before what issue got out of hand, cop racism or the rioting? It may or may not be true that racism on the part of police officers is out of hand but it's most certainly true that the response has gotten out of hand. Racism on the part of police officers in no way justifies the looting, burning of property or the assault and intimidation of citizens.

Everyone has a personal responsibility to curb their violent and/or racist impulses, not just the police.

Will things correct too far in the other direction to then have to be corrected also?

It already has gone too far. Unless you think burning somebody's liquor store who is innocent of racism or police brutality is not far enough.

Very possible but that's what happens when you ignore an issue for so long.

There's no excuse.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

Can I assume from this then that we won't hear any complaining from you if a conservative shoots a left-wing protester out of self defense or to protect a business or another person?

A person has the right to protect their property. A person has a right to actual self defense. It's why no charges were brought against Kenneth Walker. A persons beliefs doesn't come into play in either instance.

So the obvious question becomes: In the current divide in this country, who are the patriots and who are the tyrants? And since the blood of both is to be expected (as apparently Jefferson believed), does either side have any call or right to point fingers?

Yes. Jefferson states the reason for this. A government not addressing the problems brought by the people. The Revolutionary War came about because those in charge ignored the people.

Whatever Jefferson stated is not an answer to the questions I asked you.

 

[pknopp]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

So in other words, purging bad cops who get caught in the middle of their racist race war fantasies is a slippery slope?? How??

That depends on what you mean by "purging bad cops". If you mean changing the system or the current racial zeitgeist through awareness and education, then no, it's not a slippery slope. But if you mean committing violence and destruction of property and assault of citizens, or screaming in someone's face for wearing a MAGA hat or a Blue Lives Matter T-shirt then yes, it is a slippery slope.

People tried to enact change by other means. Violence is the only thing that has worked. When people peacefully protested and tried to state their complaints the president called them SOB's.

And? So the solution is to create thousands more victims of people who had nothing to do with the shootings or the president's position on the matter?

Having said that, do you mean to tell me that the head kicking incident and the killing of the Trump supporter in Portland and the Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha were not obvious clues to you that we are already careering down a slippery slope? Are you deaf and blind or just stupid?

t was on this day in 1765 that the British Parliament signed the Stamp Act, a move that lit the fuse for a revolution in the American colonies that burned for a decade.

The disgust with the tax peaked on August 14, 1765, when an angry mob in Boston reacted to the first incident of “taxation without representation” in the colonies, an event that foreshadowed open rebellion 10 years later.

The prolonged violence showed the British government that it had severely miscalculated a taxing effort to pay for nearly 10,000 British troops who remained stationed on American soil after the French and Indian War concluded.

The seeds of Revolution: The Stamp Act protests in Boston - National Constitution Center

One would think that those in positions of leadership would learn from history but that rarely seems to be the case.

Here's the key difference: The patriots of that time committed violence against those who actually did them wrong. They did not indiscriminately destroy property and businesses just because they were there.

The one major problem with all this rioting and looting is that the wrong people are being punished.

The solutions is easy. Address the complaints of the people, don't call them SOB's and ignore their issues.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

So in other words, purging bad cops who get caught in the middle of their racist race war fantasies is a slippery slope?? How??

That depends on what you mean by "purging bad cops". If you mean changing the system or the current racial zeitgeist through awareness and education, then no, it's not a slippery slope. But if you mean committing violence and destruction of property and assault of citizens, or screaming in someone's face for wearing a MAGA hat or a Blue Lives Matter T-shirt then yes, it is a slippery slope.

People tried to enact change by other means. Violence is the only thing that has worked. When people peacefully protested and tried to state their complaints the president called them SOB's.

And? So the solution is to create thousands more victims of people who had nothing to do with the shootings or the president's position on the matter?

Having said that, do you mean to tell me that the head kicking incident and the killing of the Trump supporter in Portland and the Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha were not obvious clues to you that we are already careering down a slippery slope? Are you deaf and blind or just stupid?

t was on this day in 1765 that the British Parliament signed the Stamp Act, a move that lit the fuse for a revolution in the American colonies that burned for a decade.

The disgust with the tax peaked on August 14, 1765, when an angry mob in Boston reacted to the first incident of “taxation without representation” in the colonies, an event that foreshadowed open rebellion 10 years later.

The prolonged violence showed the British government that it had severely miscalculated a taxing effort to pay for nearly 10,000 British troops who remained stationed on American soil after the French and Indian War concluded.

The seeds of Revolution: The Stamp Act protests in Boston - National Constitution Center

One would think that those in positions of leadership would learn from history but that rarely seems to be the case.

Here's the key difference: The patriots of that time committed violence against those who actually did them wrong. They did not indiscriminately destroy property and businesses just because they were there.

The one major problem with all this rioting and looting is that the wrong people are being punished.

The solutions is easy. Address the complaints of the people, don't call them SOB's and ignore their issues.

The solution is easy: Don't destroy property of those who are not guilty of the injustice you're fighting against.

You can quote Jefferson all you want, I'll never dismiss or condone wrongs against the innocent because some twat got his panties in a bunch. Righteous indignation is not an excuse and does not absolve one of his personal responsibility to obey the law and not create new victims of injustice. Because that is exactly what the looting and burning is: injustice to those whose property is being destroyed.

What's next, should people on the right destroy property of even more innocent people to illuminate the injustice of destroyed property of innocents by people on the left? Where does it end?

 

[pknopp]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

So in other words, purging bad cops who get caught in the middle of their racist race war fantasies is a slippery slope?? How??

That depends on what you mean by "purging bad cops". If you mean changing the system or the current racial zeitgeist through awareness and education, then no, it's not a slippery slope. But if you mean committing violence and destruction of property and assault of citizens, or screaming in someone's face for wearing a MAGA hat or a Blue Lives Matter T-shirt then yes, it is a slippery slope.

People tried to enact change by other means. Violence is the only thing that has worked. When people peacefully protested and tried to state their complaints the president called them SOB's.

And? So the solution is to create thousands more victims of people who had nothing to do with the shootings or the president's position on the matter?

Having said that, do you mean to tell me that the head kicking incident and the killing of the Trump supporter in Portland and the Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha were not obvious clues to you that we are already careering down a slippery slope? Are you deaf and blind or just stupid?

t was on this day in 1765 that the British Parliament signed the Stamp Act, a move that lit the fuse for a revolution in the American colonies that burned for a decade.

The disgust with the tax peaked on August 14, 1765, when an angry mob in Boston reacted to the first incident of “taxation without representation” in the colonies, an event that foreshadowed open rebellion 10 years later.

The prolonged violence showed the British government that it had severely miscalculated a taxing effort to pay for nearly 10,000 British troops who remained stationed on American soil after the French and Indian War concluded.

The seeds of Revolution: The Stamp Act protests in Boston - National Constitution Center

One would think that those in positions of leadership would learn from history but that rarely seems to be the case.

Here's the key difference: The patriots of that time committed violence against those who actually did them wrong. They did not indiscriminately destroy property and businesses just because they were there.

The one major problem with all this rioting and looting is that the wrong people are being punished.

The solutions is easy. Address the complaints of the people, don't call them SOB's and ignore their issues.

The solution is easy: Don't destroy property of those who are not guilty of the injustice you're fighting against.

You can quote Jefferson all you want, I'll never dismiss or condone wrongs against the innocent because some twat got his panties in a bunch. Righteous indignation is not an excuse and does not absolve one of his personal responsibility to obey the law and not create new victims of injustice. Because that is exactly what the looting and burning is: injustice to those whose property is being destroyed.

What's next, should people on the right destroy property of even more innocent people to illuminate the injustice of destroyed property of innocents by people on the left? Where does it end?

If you (and others) would have stood up and condemned the violence against others long ago we would not be here.

Where does it end? Addressing the calls of the people. When a president dismisses them by calling them SOB's the reactions are not going to be positive.

Have you called upon the president to address the calls of the people or do you agree they are SOB's?

 

[22lcidw]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

So in other words, purging bad cops who get caught in the middle of their racist race war fantasies is a slippery slope?? How??

Surveillance will get us all. Your children and your children's children will live with no smiles.

 

[Grumblenuts]

The solution is easy: Don't destroy property of those who are not guilty of the injustice you're fighting against.

So destroy property of those guilty of injustice. How about indelibly marking those properties for everyone to focus upon?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

So in other words, purging bad cops who get caught in the middle of their racist race war fantasies is a slippery slope?? How??

That depends on what you mean by "purging bad cops". If you mean changing the system or the current racial zeitgeist through awareness and education, then no, it's not a slippery slope. But if you mean committing violence and destruction of property and assault of citizens, or screaming in someone's face for wearing a MAGA hat or a Blue Lives Matter T-shirt then yes, it is a slippery slope.

People tried to enact change by other means. Violence is the only thing that has worked. When people peacefully protested and tried to state their complaints the president called them SOB's.

And? So the solution is to create thousands more victims of people who had nothing to do with the shootings or the president's position on the matter?

Having said that, do you mean to tell me that the head kicking incident and the killing of the Trump supporter in Portland and the Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha were not obvious clues to you that we are already careering down a slippery slope? Are you deaf and blind or just stupid?

t was on this day in 1765 that the British Parliament signed the Stamp Act, a move that lit the fuse for a revolution in the American colonies that burned for a decade.

The disgust with the tax peaked on August 14, 1765, when an angry mob in Boston reacted to the first incident of “taxation without representation” in the colonies, an event that foreshadowed open rebellion 10 years later.

The prolonged violence showed the British government that it had severely miscalculated a taxing effort to pay for nearly 10,000 British troops who remained stationed on American soil after the French and Indian War concluded.

The seeds of Revolution: The Stamp Act protests in Boston - National Constitution Center

One would think that those in positions of leadership would learn from history but that rarely seems to be the case.

Here's the key difference: The patriots of that time committed violence against those who actually did them wrong. They did not indiscriminately destroy property and businesses just because they were there.

The one major problem with all this rioting and looting is that the wrong people are being punished.

The solutions is easy. Address the complaints of the people, don't call them SOB's and ignore their issues.

The solution is easy: Don't destroy property of those who are not guilty of the injustice you're fighting against.

You can quote Jefferson all you want, I'll never dismiss or condone wrongs against the innocent because some twat got his panties in a bunch. Righteous indignation is not an excuse and does not absolve one of his personal responsibility to obey the law and not create new victims of injustice. Because that is exactly what the looting and burning is: injustice to those whose property is being destroyed.

What's next, should people on the right destroy property of even more innocent people to illuminate the injustice of destroyed property of innocents by people on the left? Where does it end?

If you (and others) would have stood up and condemned the violence against others long ago we would not be here.

Don't start that empty moral posturing with me. You don't know me from Adam.

Where does it end? Addressing the calls of the people. When a president dismisses them by calling them SOB's the reactions are not going to be positive.

No, I don't imagine they would be. But it doesn't mean the reaction needs to be violent and destructive against those who are not even their fucking enemy.

Do you know what was spray painted all over the CHAZ in Seattle? "Eat the Rich". What the hell do the rich have to do with the death of George Floyd?

The takeover in Seattle and the marches and protests were only tangentially about cops shooting blacks and George Floyd was all but forgotten by that point. This is no longer about cops shooting blacks, it's class warfare.

Have you called upon the president to address the calls of the people or do you agree they are SOB's?

Do your moral-masquerading bait-and-switch with someone else. The looting and burning is wrong and illegal. You're trying to justify one illegal act with another. I'm not buying it and I never will, no matter what Jefferson said.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

The solution is easy: Don't destroy property of those who are not guilty of the injustice you're fighting against.

So destroy property of those guilty of injustice. How about indelibly marking those properties for everyone to focus upon?

What injustice and by who? These riots started because of the death of George Floyd. Tell me why Uncle Ike had to have his pot shop destroyed in Seattle because a black man died in police custody in Milwaukee. And what do you mean by "indelibly marking those properties"?

 

[pknopp]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

So in other words, purging bad cops who get caught in the middle of their racist race war fantasies is a slippery slope?? How??

That depends on what you mean by "purging bad cops". If you mean changing the system or the current racial zeitgeist through awareness and education, then no, it's not a slippery slope. But if you mean committing violence and destruction of property and assault of citizens, or screaming in someone's face for wearing a MAGA hat or a Blue Lives Matter T-shirt then yes, it is a slippery slope.

People tried to enact change by other means. Violence is the only thing that has worked. When people peacefully protested and tried to state their complaints the president called them SOB's.

And? So the solution is to create thousands more victims of people who had nothing to do with the shootings or the president's position on the matter?

Having said that, do you mean to tell me that the head kicking incident and the killing of the Trump supporter in Portland and the Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha were not obvious clues to you that we are already careering down a slippery slope? Are you deaf and blind or just stupid?

t was on this day in 1765 that the British Parliament signed the Stamp Act, a move that lit the fuse for a revolution in the American colonies that burned for a decade.

The disgust with the tax peaked on August 14, 1765, when an angry mob in Boston reacted to the first incident of “taxation without representation” in the colonies, an event that foreshadowed open rebellion 10 years later.

The prolonged violence showed the British government that it had severely miscalculated a taxing effort to pay for nearly 10,000 British troops who remained stationed on American soil after the French and Indian War concluded.

The seeds of Revolution: The Stamp Act protests in Boston - National Constitution Center

One would think that those in positions of leadership would learn from history but that rarely seems to be the case.

Here's the key difference: The patriots of that time committed violence against those who actually did them wrong. They did not indiscriminately destroy property and businesses just because they were there.

The one major problem with all this rioting and looting is that the wrong people are being punished.

The solutions is easy. Address the complaints of the people, don't call them SOB's and ignore their issues.

The solution is easy: Don't destroy property of those who are not guilty of the injustice you're fighting against.

You can quote Jefferson all you want, I'll never dismiss or condone wrongs against the innocent because some twat got his panties in a bunch. Righteous indignation is not an excuse and does not absolve one of his personal responsibility to obey the law and not create new victims of injustice. Because that is exactly what the looting and burning is: injustice to those whose property is being destroyed.

What's next, should people on the right destroy property of even more innocent people to illuminate the injustice of destroyed property of innocents by people on the left? Where does it end?

If you (and others) would have stood up and condemned the violence against others long ago we would not be here.

Don't start that empty moral posturing with me. You don't know me from Adam.

Where does it end? Addressing the calls of the people. When a president dismisses them by calling them SOB's the reactions are not going to be positive.

No, I don't imagine they would be. But it doesn't mean the reaction needs to be violent and destructive against those who are not even their fucking enemy.

Do you know what was spray painted all over the CHAZ in Seattle? "Eat the Rich". What the hell do the rich have to do with the death of George Floyd?

The takeover in Seattle and the marches and protests were only tangentially about cops shooting blacks and George Floyd was all but forgotten by that point. This is no longer about cops shooting blacks, it's class warfare.

Have you called upon the president to address the calls of the people or do you agree they are SOB's?

Do your moral-masquerading bait-and-switch with someone else. The looting and burning is wrong and illegal. You're trying to justify one illegal act with another. I'm not buying it and I never will, no matter what Jefferson said.

Yes, if one illegal act is allowed to get a pass I'm going to give others a pass also. Either the law applies to all or none.

 

[Billiejeens]

Not long ago these officers would still be patrolling the streets. The protests are working.

Maybe. Or maybe they're working just a little too well.

That's not to say the firings were not justified in this case. But human nature dictates that, now that a precedent has been set, we will begin to see officers being summarily fired or vilified for things that no one would have given two thoughts about in the past. It has already happened many times, and is still happening, with civilians in the racism mania that is gripping the country.

What invariably happens in these kinds of public hysterias to protect and defend the "righteous" from the "unrighteous" is that, before long, not even the righteous are spared from rash judgment and condemnation.

So in other words, purging bad cops who get caught in the middle of their racist race war fantasies is a slippery slope?? How??

That depends on what you mean by "purging bad cops". If you mean changing the system or the current racial zeitgeist through awareness and education, then no, it's not a slippery slope. But if you mean committing violence and destruction of property and assault of citizens, or screaming in someone's face for wearing a MAGA hat or a Blue Lives Matter T-shirt then yes, it is a slippery slope.

People tried to enact change by other means. Violence is the only thing that has worked. When people peacefully protested and tried to state their complaints the president called them SOB's.

And? So the solution is to create thousands more victims of people who had nothing to do with the shootings or the president's position on the matter?

Having said that, do you mean to tell me that the head kicking incident and the killing of the Trump supporter in Portland and the Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha were not obvious clues to you that we are already careering down a slippery slope? Are you deaf and blind or just stupid?

t was on this day in 1765 that the British Parliament signed the Stamp Act, a move that lit the fuse for a revolution in the American colonies that burned for a decade.

The disgust with the tax peaked on August 14, 1765, when an angry mob in Boston reacted to the first incident of “taxation without representation” in the colonies, an event that foreshadowed open rebellion 10 years later.

The prolonged violence showed the British government that it had severely miscalculated a taxing effort to pay for nearly 10,000 British troops who remained stationed on American soil after the French and Indian War concluded.

The seeds of Revolution: The Stamp Act protests in Boston - National Constitution Center

One would think that those in positions of leadership would learn from history but that rarely seems to be the case.

Here's the key difference: The patriots of that time committed violence against those who actually did them wrong. They did not indiscriminately destroy property and businesses just because they were there.

The one major problem with all this rioting and looting is that the wrong people are being punished.

The solutions is easy. Address the complaints of the people, don't call them SOB's and ignore their issues.

The solution is easy: Don't destroy property of those who are not guilty of the injustice you're fighting against.

You can quote Jefferson all you want, I'll never dismiss or condone wrongs against the innocent because some twat got his panties in a bunch. Righteous indignation is not an excuse and does not absolve one of his personal responsibility to obey the law and not create new victims of injustice. Because that is exactly what the looting and burning is: injustice to those whose property is being destroyed.

What's next, should people on the right destroy property of even more innocent people to illuminate the injustice of destroyed property of innocents by people on the left? Where does it end?

If you (and others) would have stood up and condemned the violence against others long ago we would not be here.

Don't start that empty moral posturing with me. You don't know me from Adam.

Where does it end? Addressing the calls of the people. When a president dismisses them by calling them SOB's the reactions are not going to be positive.

No, I don't imagine they would be. But it doesn't mean the reaction needs to be violent and destructive against those who are not even their fucking enemy.

Do you know what was spray painted all over the CHAZ in Seattle? "Eat the Rich". What the hell do the rich have to do with the death of George Floyd?

The takeover in Seattle and the marches and protests were only tangentially about cops shooting blacks and George Floyd was all but forgotten by that point. This is no longer about cops shooting blacks, it's class warfare.

Have you called upon the president to address the calls of the people or do you agree they are SOB's?

Do your moral-masquerading bait-and-switch with someone else. The looting and burning is wrong and illegal. You're trying to justify one illegal act with another. I'm not buying it and I never will, no matter what Jefferson said.

Yes, if one illegal act is allowed to get a pass I'm going to give others a pass also. Either the law applies to all or none.

I laugh