John De Souza and the "Extra-terrestrial" explanation for "aliens?"

[DennisPTate]

Could twenty five year veteran of the FBI, retired agent John De Souza, be correct about his "Extra-dimensional" explanation for the UFO or alien craft phenomena?

For the record many of John De Souza's cases became the first season of "The X-files."

FBI agent John De Souza might take the title "demon" or "devil" at least somewhat seriously, [if I have understood his lectures correctly]?

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Do you know about "Operation Paperclip?"

Do you understand WHY I would ask if you know about this aspect of the whole formula?

Please feel free to explain how and why Operation Paperclip fits with this topic.

Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from former Nazi Germany to the US for government employment after the end of World War II in Europe, between 1945 and 1959; several were confirmed to be former members of the Nazi Party, including the SS or the SA.

The effort began in earnest in 1945, as the Allies advanced into Germany and discovered a wealth of scientific talent and advanced research that had contributed to Germany's wartime technological advancements. The US Joint Chiefs of Staff officially established Operation Overcast (operations "Overcast" and "Paperclip" were related, and the terms are often used interchangeably) on July 20, 1945, with the dual aims of leveraging German expertise for the ongoing war effort against Japan and to bolster US postwar military research. The operation, conducted by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA), was largely actioned by special agents of the US Army's Counterintelligence Corps (CIC). Many selected scientists were involved in the Nazi rocket program, aviation, or chemical/biological warfare. The Soviet Union in the following year conducted a similar program, called Operation Osoaviakhim, that emphasized many of the same fields of research.

Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia

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[jackflash]

Could twenty five year veteran of the FBI, retired agent John De Souza, be correct about his "Extra-dimensional" explanation for the UFO or alien craft phenomena?

For the record many of John De Souza's cases became the first season of "The X-files."

FBI agent John De Souza might take the title "demon" or "devil" at least somewhat seriously, [if I have understood his lectures correctly]?

















Do you know about "Operation Paperclip?"

Do you understand WHY I would ask if you know about this aspect of the whole formula?

Please feel free to explain how and why Operation Paperclip fits with this topic.

Humanity exists on a plant that dwells in a realm made up out of 3-1/2 dimensions or @ least humanity appears to be limited to the 3-1/2 dimensional continuum, but maybe our planet itself exists in more than the 3-1/2 dimensions humanity is limited too? Why could other life not exist in a realm that has say 5/6 or more dimensions or even less dimensions?? Dimensions appear to be made out of "waves(?)" just as the visible light spectrum is made out of(are humans creatures of light??);

https://byjus.com/physics/the-electromagnetic-spectrum-visible-light/

Operation paperclip dealt with importing German citizens/physicists/engineers into our America after Germany collapsed bringing the war in Europe to an end. As far as the preternatural/supernatural events go that field(theoretical physics) is much too advanced in it's concepts for me to even begin to comprehend. I leave the heavy thinking to both our theoretical physicists & of course our Maker like in that regards I am just along for the ride.

 

[DennisPTate]

Humanity exists on a plant that dwells in a realm made up out of 3-1/2 dimensions or @ least humanity appears to be limited to the 3-1/2 dimensional continuum, but maybe our planet itself exists in more than the 3-1/2 dimensions humanity is limited too? Why could other life not exist in a realm that has say 5/6 or more dimensions or even less dimensions?? Dimensions appear to be made out of "waves(?)" just as the visible light spectrum is made out of(are humans creatures of light??);

https://byjus.com/physics/the-electromagnetic-spectrum-visible-light/

Operation paperclip dealt with importing German citizens/physicists/engineers into our America after Germany collapsed bringing the war in Europe to an end. As far as the preternatural/supernatural events go that field(theoretical physics) is much too advanced in it's concepts for me to even begin to comprehend. I leave the heavy thinking to both our theoretical physicists & of course our Maker like in that regards I am just along for the ride.

Wow!!!!

Great answer JackFlash!

I will dig up some more on all of this soon.

"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"

The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it? An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
....

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."

...

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

Here is something rather practical on this general idea by near death experiencer Dr. George Ritchie whose NDE was in 1943, decades before Stephen Hawking Ph. D. gave high school level English descriptions of String Theory and The Anthropic Principle.

6. A Brief Summary of George Ritchie’s NDE​

The following is a brief summary of Dr. George Ritchie’s near-death experience. You can read his entire NDE testimony in his book, Return From Tomorrow.

a. His Out-of-Body Experience and Life Review with Jesus​

The following is the testimony of George Ritchie’s OBE: George Ritchie dies of pneumonia in a Texas Army hospital and leaves his body unaware he is dead. He wanders around the hospital ward and wonders why people cannot see or hear him. Wanting eagerly to travel to Richmond, Virginia, to finish college, the thought instantly sends him flying through the door of the hospital and into the air – traveling thousands of miles toward Richmond. He is bewildered about these sudden supernatural powers of flight and transparency he has attained. He then arrives at a city with a bar and discovers the people there cannot see or hear him either. He also has no solidness there either. He flies back to the Army hospital where he sees his lifeless body in the morgue and realizes he is dead..

Suddenly, a being of tremendous light and love appeared before him. Ritchie realizes this light is like “a million welders’ lamps all blazing at once.” Human eyes would be destroyed in a second if they saw it. The being tells Ritchie to stand up. Ritchie is astonished to learn he is standing before Jesus Christ. More than anything emanating from Jesus was the unbelievable amount of unconditional love shining from him – a love that knew everything about Ritchie and loved him just the same. Simultaneously, as Jesus appeared to him, Ritchie watches his entire life displayed before him. Jesus asks him, “What have you done with your life?” Ritchie tries to come up with several examples but realizes he has fallen short. Ritchie eventually realizes Jesus is not judging him at all; but rather, Ritchie was judging himself. And the question “What have you done with your life?” had more to do with “How much unconditional love have you given others.”

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[toobfreak]

Could twenty five year veteran of the FBI, retired agent John De Souza, be correct about his "Extra-dimensional" explanation for the UFO or alien craft phenomena?

I believe so. I've come to a similar conclusion having witnessed first hand three UFOs in the 1960s following them in the night sky through my 3" newtonian reflecting telescope and seeing them jump ahead in speed and direction making instant speed and directional changes four times.

There is ZERO possibility that I was merely confused or mistaken as to what I watched.

There is simply no way to do that by any science I can imagine in ordinary space and negate the effects of inertia which would instantly kill both the occupants and destroy the craft. This is a universal constant of the universe. If you have mass, you have inertia.

The only solution is to attain zero mass. With zero mass, you can essentially bounce around like a light beam. Inter-dimensional travel is the only way I see for a craft to even get here from other stars much less perform the feats that I witnessed first hand.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Maybe all of life on Earth is only one or a few, 4th dimensional organisms.

 

[DennisPTate]

I believe so. I've come to a similar conclusion having witnessed first hand three UFOs in the 1960s following them in the night sky through my 3" newtonian reflecting telescope and seeing them jump ahead in speed and direction making instant speed and directional changes four times.

There is ZERO possibility that I was merely confused or mistaken as to what I watched.

There is simply no way to do that by any science I can imagine in ordinary space and negate the effects of inertia which would instantly kill both the occupants and destroy the craft. This is a universal constant of the universe. If you have mass, you have inertia.

The only solution is to attain zero mass. With zero mass, you can essentially bounce around like a light beam. Inter-dimensional travel is the only way I see for a craft to even get here from other stars much less perform the feats that I witnessed first hand.

Wow!!!!!

At the last place where I worked in Receiving, I met a trucker who was willing to tell his UFO near abduction story to anybody who would listen.

He was in a truck with a friend, twenty or so years ago, They saw a UFO and two Grey's approached the truck. One of the Grey's zapped his buddy unconscious. Then the leader proceeded to tell J.. that his wife would die soon and that he wasn't very healthy himself.

Then they told J.. that they did not need more blue collar workers for their experiments but instead they needed doctors, lawyers, elected officials, white collar management types.

They did not abduct J.. and it seems that they rejected him because he wasn't exactly what they were looking for?

J.. tells this story in order to warn others about his knowing that aliens are real.

 

[toobfreak]

Wow!!!!!

At the last place where I worked in Receiving, I met a trucker who was willing to tell his UFO near abduction story to anybody who would listen.

Well, as a practicing astronomer from about age ten, I've witnessed several UFO incidents, both telescopically and naked eye as well as having been told several strong accounts by reliable witnesses.

Right before my best friend died (he knew he was dying but kept it concealed from us), he admitted to me (I think it was the last time I saw him in person), that in his youth, he had been abducted by aliens several times.

This was a super smart guy whose IQ would not surprise me if it were over 200, he had remarkable powers of persuasion over other people, and we had been friends for 35 years when he died shortly after that, so I never got a chance to follow up with questions, I was a bit stunned by his revelation.

 

[evenflow1969]

Could twenty five year veteran of the FBI, retired agent John De Souza, be correct about his "Extra-dimensional" explanation for the UFO or alien craft phenomena?

For the record many of John De Souza's cases became the first season of "The X-files."

FBI agent John De Souza might take the title "demon" or "devil" at least somewhat seriously, [if I have understood his lectures correctly]?


















Do you know about "Operation Paperclip?"

Do you understand WHY I would ask if you know about this aspect of the whole formula?

Please feel free to explain how and why Operation Paperclip fits with this topic.

Other than Von Braun saying "we had help from them." While looking up in an interview. No idea. They asked him how Germany was so far advanced technologically. We brought over German scientists via project paper clip.

 

[Stryder50]

Could twenty five year veteran of the FBI, retired agent John De Souza, be correct about his "Extra-dimensional" explanation for the UFO or alien craft phenomena?

For the record many of John De Souza's cases became the first season of "The X-files."

FBI agent John De Souza might take the title "demon" or "devil" at least somewhat seriously, [if I have understood his lectures correctly]?


















Do you know about "Operation Paperclip?"

Do you understand WHY I would ask if you know about this aspect of the whole formula?

Please feel free to explain how and why Operation Paperclip fits with this topic.

I've covered the aspects of this topic extensively in this thread on this forum;
The Geminga Scenario
I won't bother to repeat those scores of posts here, please roam that thread for the essential details.

Some aspects of the so-called "Alien/ET/UFO/Etc." phenomenon may be considered to include an "extra-dimensional"* component, there is much that is outside of that category.

* Performance of some "UFO" sighted vehicles would suggest there is a extra-dimensional/hyper-dimensional component in that they display performance characteristics suggestive of operating beyond known 3D physics, i.e. use of a 4th, ~5th, or more physical dimensions.

Start with the understanding that we are not dealing with a single species/culture/civilization/agency/Etc. when it comes to what is referred to as the UFO/ET phenomena, rather we are dealing with multiple species/entities/agencies/cultures/civilizations/ET 'governments'/multi-dimensional beings/ paranormal entities/ Etc. ...

So bottom line here is that there is no single answer or explanation that would apply to all that falls under the "UFO"/"Alien~ET" umbrella of para-normal events and encounters.

FWIW, some of "those ETs" we are encountering and dealing with are also in the same boat that they also have mystifying "unknowns" they are dealing with and trying to explain.

 

[Stryder50]

I believe so. I've come to a similar conclusion having witnessed first hand three UFOs in the 1960s following them in the night sky through my 3" newtonian reflecting telescope and seeing them jump ahead in speed and direction making instant speed and directional changes four times.

There is ZERO possibility that I was merely confused or mistaken as to what I watched.

There is simply no way to do that by any science I can imagine in ordinary space and negate the effects of inertia which would instantly kill both the occupants and destroy the craft. This is a universal constant of the universe. If you have mass, you have inertia.

The only solution is to attain zero mass. With zero mass, you can essentially bounce around like a light beam. Inter-dimensional travel is the only way I see for a craft to even get here from other stars much less perform the feats that I witnessed first hand.

So here you go.
Two books you will want to get your hands on, read, study in depth ....
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Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis​

Paul R. Hill,
...
Paul Hill was a well-respected NASA scientist when, in the early 1950s, he had a UFO sighting. Soon after, he built the first flying platform and was able to duplicate the UFO's tilt-to-control maneuvers. Official policy, however, prevented him from proclaiming his findings. "I was destined," says Hill, "to remain as unidentified as the flying objects." For the next twenty-five years, Hill acted as an unofficial clearing house at NASA, collecting and analyzing sightings' reports for physical properties, propulsion possibilities, dynamics, etc. To refute claims that UFOs defy the laws of physics, he had to make "technological sense ... of the unconventional object." After his retirement from NASA, Hill finally completed his remarkable analysis. In Unconventional Flying Objects , published posthumously, he presents his findings that UFOs "obey, not defy, the laws of physics." Vindicating his own sighting and thousands of others, he proves that UFO technology is not only explainable, but attainable.

Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis

Paul Hill was a well-respected NASA scientist when, in …

www.goodreads.com

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The Hunt For Zero Point​

...
In 1956, a group of highly respected aerospace engineers revealed that US scientists were perfecting ways to control gravity. They predicted a breakthrough would come by the end of the decade, ushering in an era of limitless, clean propulsion for a new breed of fuelless transport systems – and weapons beyond our imagination. Of course it never happened. Or did it?

Forty years later a chance encounter with one of the engineers who made that prediction forces a highly sceptical aerospace and defence journalist, Nick Cook, to consider the possibility that America did indeed crack the gravity code – and has covered up ever since. His investigations moved from the corridors of NASA to the dark heartland of America’s classified weapons establishment, where it became clear that half a century earlier, in the dying days of the Third Reich, Nazi scientists were racing to perfect a Pandora’s Box of high technology that would deliver Germany from defeat. History says that they failed.

But the trail that takes Cook deep into the once-impenetrable empire of SS General Hans Kammler – the man charged by Adolf Hitler with perfecting German secret weapons technology – says otherwise. In his pursuit of the true facts behind Kammler, Cook finally establishes the truth: America is determined to hang onto its secrets, but the stakes are enormous and others are now in the race to acquire a suppressed technology.
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Nick Cook - Author | Hunt for Zero Point | Published by Arrow Books

Nick Cook, author of Hunt for Zero Point – investigating avaition's greatest mystery – is the writer of 20 fiction and non-fiction titles.

www.nickcook.works

 

[jackflash]

Wow!!!!

Great answer JackFlash!

I will dig up some more on all of this soon.





Here is something rather practical on this general idea by near death experiencer Dr. George Ritchie whose NDE was in 1943, decades before Stephen Hawking Ph. D. gave high school level English descriptions of String Theory and The Anthropic Principle.

Yeah, quantum physics could not explain the creation of our 3-1/2(4 dimensions?) dimensional continuum but the 10 string theory could somewhat better. All I know about it is that 4 dimensions are knowable to humanity & the other 6 dimensions are @ current NOT(?) knowable to us. That world of theoretical physics is one DEEP area of studies for sure! I would appreciate communicating with U on the subject, but my understanding of theoretical physics stands a pretty good chance of being somewhat primitive compared to your knowledge bank on the subject.

I am SUPER HEAVY into deer(family Cervidae in general) so I have included 2 vids from fellow Deer Whisperers that might give U a chuckle!

Below; Cabin Squirrel in an intense night feeding with her own WORLD CLASS ROCKY MT. MULE DEER HERD!!! Lil Bently is the young buck 2nd from left(opening scene) intercepts the apple slice Squirrel is trying to feed to Beverly(Bently's momma), then goes NOSE TO NOSE with Cabin Squirrel before getting rewarded with a pair of red devil horns! DIRECTLY below the yellow KAPOW overlay is BROKEN dEAR(his right side ear). Lil Bently(spoiled rotten) has 2 mommas like Beverly milks him & cabin squirrel feeds him solid food.



Below; The one & only Cabin Squirrel like to know her is to luv her!

Cabin Squirrel

I live in a log cabin on the river, so I see lots of wildlife in my yard. There are tons of deer that live in my yard and surrounding area, and many of them trust me enough to EAT FROM MY HAND now! I have been referred to as a bit of a deer whisperer. In addition to the beautiful deer we see...

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Below; Boris & Iryski starring in "BORIS GOES SHOPPING!" Iryski & Boris have been on national television so are well known in the country of Ukraine & surrounding areas. Boris knows where the "Feed Bag Restaurant" is located so breaks into a trot early on into the vid as he closes in on his target! Boris is super popular with the locals but the management still closes the door to Boris to prevent a run on their food inventory!





As can be seen in the vids above our deer Whispering community is spread all around the globe, Cabin Squirrel most likely located in the mountains of Colorado or Bitter Root Mts. of Montana & then halfway around the globe is Boris & Iryski. We got or had one family located in the Ural Mts. of Russia(Roe doe), Scotland(Euro Red Doe) & thousands more. That does not even take into account the agricultural farms & also ranches where deer primarily reside by the numbers. Yeah I will be looking for your follow up for sure!

 

[jackflash]

I believe so. I've come to a similar conclusion having witnessed first hand three UFOs in the 1960s following them in the night sky through my 3" newtonian reflecting telescope and seeing them jump ahead in speed and direction making instant speed and directional changes four times.

There is ZERO possibility that I was merely confused or mistaken as to what I watched.

There is simply no way to do that by any science I can imagine in ordinary space and negate the effects of inertia which would instantly kill both the occupants and destroy the craft. This is a universal constant of the universe. If you have mass, you have inertia.

The only solution is to attain zero mass. With zero mass, you can essentially bounce around like a light beam. Inter-dimensional travel is the only way I see for a craft to even get here from other stars much less perform the feats that I witnessed first hand.

Are U thinking on the lines of the hologram theory??? If I am not mistaken holograms are just light generated meaning they have no physical mass to them?

 

[luiza]

Wow!!!!!

At the last place where I worked in Receiving, I met a trucker who was willing to tell his UFO near abduction story to anybody who would listen.

He was in a truck with a friend, twenty or so years ago, They saw a UFO and two Grey's approached the truck. One of the Grey's zapped his buddy unconscious. Then the leader proceeded to tell J.. that his wife would die soon and that he wasn't very healthy himself.

Then they told J.. that they did not need more blue collar workers for their experiments but instead they needed doctors, lawyers, elected officials, white collar management types.

They did not abduct J.. and it seems that they rejected him because he wasn't exactly what they were looking for?

J.. tells this story in order to warn others about his knowing that aliens are real.

Antarctica and the work of the Nazis stemming from Thule Society philosophy and teachings .

It's how the Nazis took over the US as WW2 ended and they infiltrated initially into the CIA and then FBI with NASA later becoming a full Nazi operation .

Of course Sheeple think that is all Conspiracy but research suggests differently .

It is hardly ever going to be officially admitted as the subject is all about the Modern Deep State --- how the aliens met the Rothschild dynasty in crude terms

 

[toobfreak]

Are U thinking on the lines of the hologram theory???

No. Holograms are just projected optical illusions. Back in the 1970s, you could make your own with a laser and other stuff from Edmund Scientific. These are real, not projections, nor are there any projectors here on Earth to make them.

 

[DennisPTate]

Antarctica and the work of the Nazis stemming from Thule Society philosophy and teachings .

It's how the Nazis took over the US as WW2 ended and they infiltrated initially into the CIA and then FBI with NASA later becoming a full Nazi operation .

Of course Sheeple think that is all Conspiracy but research suggests differently .

It is hardly ever going to be officially admitted as the subject is all about the Modern Deep State --- how the aliens met the Rothschild dynasty in crude terms

To what degree was "Operation Paperclip" an important part of how the Nazis became more influential after WWII?

In my opinion "Operation Paperclip" is a critical aspect of Modern World Problems and world history since WWII.

Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from former Nazi Germany to the US for government employment after the end of World War II in Europe, between 1945 and 1959; several were confirmed to be former members of the Nazi Party, including the SS or the SA.


The effort began in earnest in 1945, as the Allies advanced into Germany and discovered a wealth of scientific talent and advanced research that had contributed to Germany's wartime technological advancements. The US Joint Chiefs of Staff officially established Operation Overcast (operations "Overcast" and "Paperclip" were related, and the terms are often used interchangeably) on July 20, 1945, with the dual aims of leveraging German expertise for the ongoing war effort against Japan and to bolster US postwar military research. The operation, conducted by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA), was largely actioned by special agents of the US Army's Counterintelligence Corps (CIC). Many selected scientists were involved in the Nazi rocket program, aviation, or chemical/biological warfare. The Soviet Union in the following year conducted a similar program, called Operation Osoaviakhim, that emphasized many of the same fields of research.