It's Robert E. Lee Day, January 19th: How Will You Celebrate This Hero, Southern Pride And Heritage?

[Liminal]

Lee surrendered like a gentleman and dismissed calls for guerrilla warfare which would have only prolonged the suffering of the war. I didn't agree with his cause or some of his politics but only a fool would deny his military capabilities.

This is all true but shame on Lee for not surrendering after Gettysburg. He was smart enough to know it was over. Historians mostly agree that he held on in hopes that Lincoln would be defeated in November of 64 but when that didn`t happen.....the thousands of deaths to follow were just murders IMO.

People who don't actually know anything about history tend to subscribe to conventional eventualities as an after thought.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

People who haven't studied the Civil War have no idea how close the Confederate States came to achieving independence recognized by England and France. If Gettysburg had went to the south both France and England would have done so

The Confederacy never really had a strategy to actually defeat the Union. What they hoped for was to hand the north enough military defeats to erode their morale and lead them to a political settlement. Had the Confederacy continued to achieve success on the battlefield the Union would have eventually made a deal. Had the Confederacy gained diplomatic recognition from Britain or France they may well have succeeded.

If McCellan had defeated Lincoln in the election the war's outcome would have been vastly different

 

[SassyIrishLass]

People who haven't studied the Civil War have no idea how close the Confederate States came to achieving independence recognized by England and France. If Gettysburg had went to the south both France and England would have done so

England's disdain for slavery and the cultivation of Egyptain cotton made intervention in the war unlikely.

The Confederacy had some allies in France as well but military aid seemed unlikely as they were too busy trying to rebuild on an Empire at the expense of Mexcio. It didn't turn out as they planned. lol

England and France both gave serious thought to siding with the Confederates, if they had it was an entire new war. Gettysburg and one infamous charge prevented it

 

[TheOldSchool]

People who haven't studied the Civil War have no idea how close the Confederate States came to achieving independence recognized by England and France. If Gettysburg had went to the south both France and England would have done so

But the backwards southern yokels of the confederacy got their asses handed to them and their cities razed to the ground by their betters. And America lived happily ever after.

 

[mdk]

Lee surrendered like a gentleman and dismissed calls for guerrilla warfare which would have only prolonged the suffering of the war. I didn't agree with his cause or some of his politics but only a fool would deny his military capabilities.

This is all true but shame on Lee for not surrendering after Gettysburg. He was smart enough to know it was over. Historians mostly agree that he held on in hopes that Lincoln would be defeated in November of 64 but when that didn`t happen.....the thousands of deaths to follow were just murders IMO.

Gettysburg and The Fall of Vicksburg the next day pretty much sealed the fate of The Confederacy. I don't fault Lee for not surrendering any sooner b/c Davis would have replaced him in a heart beat with some whom would have prolonged the war even further.

 

[TheOldSchool]

People who haven't studied the Civil War have no idea how close the Confederate States came to achieving independence recognized by England and France. If Gettysburg had went to the south both France and England would have done so

England's disdain for slavery and the cultivation of Egyptain cotton made intervention in the war unlikely.

The Confederacy had some allies in France as well but military aid seemed unlikely as they were too busy trying to rebuild on an Empire at the expense of Mexcio. It didn't turn out as they planned. lol

England and France both gave serious thought to siding with the Confederates, if they had it was an entire new war. Gettysburg and one infamous charge prevented it

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

People who haven't studied the Civil War have no idea how close the Confederate States came to achieving independence recognized by England and France. If Gettysburg had went to the south both France and England would have done so

But the backwards southern yokels of the confederacy got their asses handed to them and their cities razed to the ground by their betters. And America lived happily ever after.

Your input is stupid, go bother someone else, loon

 

[Liminal]

People who haven't studied the Civil War have no idea how close the Confederate States came to achieving independence recognized by England and France. If Gettysburg had went to the south both France and England would have done so

The Confederacy never really had a strategy to actually defeat the Union. What they hoped for was to hand the north enough military defeats to erode their morale and lead them to a political settlement. Had the Confederacy continued to achieve success on the battlefield the Union would have eventually made a deal. Had the Confederacy gained diplomatic recognition from Britain or France they may well have succeeded.

If McCellan had defeated Lincoln in the election the war's outcome would have been vastly different

McClellan was never very enthusiastic about trying to defeat Confederates on the battlefield.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

People who haven't studied the Civil War have no idea how close the Confederate States came to achieving independence recognized by England and France. If Gettysburg had went to the south both France and England would have done so

The Confederacy never really had a strategy to actually defeat the Union. What they hoped for was to hand the north enough military defeats to erode their morale and lead them to a political settlement. Had the Confederacy continued to achieve success on the battlefield the Union would have eventually made a deal. Had the Confederacy gained diplomatic recognition from Britain or France they may well have succeeded.

If McCellan had defeated Lincoln in the election the war's outcome would have been vastly different

McClellan was never very enthusiastic about trying to defeat Confederates on the battlefield.

He hesitated at every turn and turned certain victory into a nothing. Pissed Lincoln off to no end LOL

 

[Unkotare]

On January 19th, Americans will celebrate a true hero, a national treasure of Southern Pride and White Heritage. Robert E. Lee is a true icon and he should be remembered as such. How will you celebrate this remarkable gentleman?

A traitor and a loser who got beaten into submission.

 

[Liminal]

Lee surrendered like a gentleman and dismissed calls for guerrilla warfare which would have only prolonged the suffering of the war. I didn't agree with his cause or some of his politics but only a fool would deny his military capabilities.

This is all true but shame on Lee for not surrendering after Gettysburg. He was smart enough to know it was over. Historians mostly agree that he held on in hopes that Lincoln would be defeated in November of 64 but when that didn`t happen.....the thousands of deaths to follow were just murders IMO.

Gettysburg and The Fall of Vicksburg the next day pretty much sealed the fate of The Confederacy. I don't fault Lee for not surrendering any sooner b/c Davis would have replaced him in a heart beat with some whom would have prolonged the war even further.

Union morale and political will to continue fighting was at it's lowest ebb in 1864. The siege at Petersburg nearly broke the Union Army as well. The outcome seemed far from certain at the time.

 

[mdk]

People who haven't studied the Civil War have no idea how close the Confederate States came to achieving independence recognized by England and France. If Gettysburg had went to the south both France and England would have done so

England's disdain for slavery and the cultivation of Egyptain cotton made intervention in the war unlikely.

The Confederacy had some allies in France as well but military aid seemed unlikely as they were too busy trying to rebuild on an Empire at the expense of Mexcio. It didn't turn out as they planned. lol

England and France both gave serious thought to siding with the Confederates, if they had it was an entire new war. Gettysburg and one infamous charge prevented it

It's one America great historical 'what if's' but I am still not convinced they would have sided with the Confederacy. The Union made it quite plain that recognizing them diplomatically meant war. England and France were more concerned about expanding their empires and markets in Latin America. The public opinion in both nations were spilt but more so in France b/c the 'cotton famine' greatly harmed them economically.

 

[TheOldSchool]

People who haven't studied the Civil War have no idea how close the Confederate States came to achieving independence recognized by England and France. If Gettysburg had went to the south both France and England would have done so

But the backwards southern yokels of the confederacy got their asses handed to them and their cities razed to the ground by their betters. And America lived happily ever after.

Your input is stupid, go bother someone else, loon

But if England and France... and if Gettysburgh... and if Lee had super powers... and if Jesus had descended...

Face it. The traitors were whupped and slaves were freed. And the South benefitted from remaining part of what would become the world's lone superpower and greatest country in the history of the world.

Of course, if they could have remained slavers and kept free labor maybe they could have done well for themselves.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The Confederates had better Generals

 

[SassyIrishLass]

People who haven't studied the Civil War have no idea how close the Confederate States came to achieving independence recognized by England and France. If Gettysburg had went to the south both France and England would have done so

England's disdain for slavery and the cultivation of Egyptain cotton made intervention in the war unlikely.

The Confederacy had some allies in France as well but military aid seemed unlikely as they were too busy trying to rebuild on an Empire at the expense of Mexcio. It didn't turn out as they planned. lol

England and France both gave serious thought to siding with the Confederates, if they had it was an entire new war. Gettysburg and one infamous charge prevented it

It's one America great historical 'what if's' but I am still not convinced they would have sided with the Confederacy. The Union made it quite plain that recognizing them diplomatically meant war. England and France were more concerned about expanding their empires and markets in Latin America. The public opinion in both nations were spilt but more so in France b/c the 'cotton famine' greatly harmed them economically.

It's interesting to wonder about the "ifs" and how history may have been changed

 

[mdk]

Lee surrendered like a gentleman and dismissed calls for guerrilla warfare which would have only prolonged the suffering of the war. I didn't agree with his cause or some of his politics but only a fool would deny his military capabilities.

This is all true but shame on Lee for not surrendering after Gettysburg. He was smart enough to know it was over. Historians mostly agree that he held on in hopes that Lincoln would be defeated in November of 64 but when that didn`t happen.....the thousands of deaths to follow were just murders IMO.

Gettysburg and The Fall of Vicksburg the next day pretty much sealed the fate of The Confederacy. I don't fault Lee for not surrendering any sooner b/c Davis would have replaced him in a heart beat with some whom would have prolonged the war even further.

Union morale and political will to continue fighting was at it's lowest ebb in 1864. The siege at Petersburg nearly broke the Union Army as well. The outcome seemed far from certain at the time.

While true, The Union would have kept fighting for as long Lincoln had breath in his body.

The whole time period is super fascinating.

 

[TheOldSchool]

The Confederates had better Generals

I disagree

 

[Liminal]

Lee surrendered like a gentleman and dismissed calls for guerrilla warfare which would have only prolonged the suffering of the war. I didn't agree with his cause or some of his politics but only a fool would deny his military capabilities.

This is all true but shame on Lee for not surrendering after Gettysburg. He was smart enough to know it was over. Historians mostly agree that he held on in hopes that Lincoln would be defeated in November of 64 but when that didn`t happen.....the thousands of deaths to follow were just murders IMO.

Gettysburg and The Fall of Vicksburg the next day pretty much sealed the fate of The Confederacy. I don't fault Lee for not surrendering any sooner b/c Davis would have replaced him in a heart beat with some whom would have prolonged the war even further.

Union morale and political will to continue fighting was at it's lowest ebb in 1864. The siege at Petersburg nearly broke the Union Army as well. The outcome seemed far from certain at the time.

While true, The Union would have kept fighting for as long Lincoln had breath in his body.

The whole time period is super fascinating.

Makes you wonder what would have happened if Lincoln had been assassinated in 1861.

 

[bodecea]

On January 19th, Americans will celebrate a true hero, a national treasure of Southern Pride and White Heritage. Robert E. Lee is a true icon and he should be remembered as such. How will you celebrate this remarkable gentleman?

I don't know what the South has to be proud of for that time period.....oh...Lee's home makes a lovely cemetery.

 

[mdk]

The Confederates had better Generals

I disagree

As a whole the Confederacy had better generals but Sherman's campaign was as groundbreaking as it was controversial.