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Its astounding to look at the people the left carries the water for today
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Who is being denied due process?I'm not a Democrat, and I don't want to speak for them. So I'll just speak for myself. I think the important point is being completely missed here. I don't think this is about any particular person.
I think the real issue is about due process. The first point is, according to the Constitution, who does it apply to? Only to US citizens, or to all persons within the US?
I'm not a legal expert, but from doing a search online, numerous different sources have all stated that due process applies to "all persons" within the US, which would include non-citizens. That does not mean that non-citizens have all the same rights that citizens have. I don't think anyone is saying that. But at the very least, from a legal and constitutional standpoint, they have due process.
Here are just a few articles on this topic....
"It is well-established that everyone within the United States, even those who may have entered illegally or over-stayed a visa, are entitled to Due Process." source
"Thus, despite the President’s tweet, a robust system exists to protect the due process rights of people, even non-citizens, in the United States, and federal courts, under a long line of Supreme Court cases, are tasked with the job of making sure it will always be so." source
The Trump administration and its supporters have long labored under the false notion that non-citizens do not have full legal rights under the US constitution. In this, they reflect the views of Dick Cheney and other politicians of the era of the “Global War on Terror” when the executive state was forever searching for new ways to justify spying on American citizens and expanding the police state.This idea, however, has no grounding in text of the Bill of Rights or in the thinking of American “founders”... source"The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments." source
Secondly....very unpopular opinion here, apparently, but I think what is happening is that there's an overall attack on due process. And to be very clear, I believe that would have happened no matter who is president, I'm not saying that it's a Trump thing. I just see it as the overall direction the powers-that-shouldn't-be are taking us toward.
They are starting with the low-hanging fruit. They're starting with people that most Americans wouldn't care about. But next will be US citizens. And anyone who is paying attention can see that that's where things are heading.
Another article on this topic:
Making Our Rights Disappear: The Authoritarian War on Due Process - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity
“If Trump can disappear them, he can disappear you.”—Robert Reich The war on due process is here. No trials. No hearings. No rights. Just indefinite detention and secret deportations. This is the fate that awaits every one of us, not just immigrants (legal or otherwise), if the government’s war on…ronpaulinstitute.org
Also... this guy gets it:
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buttercup
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The guy who was sent to a gulag in a foreign country. I haven't heard about any trial.... just claims that he's a bad guy, so who the hell cares what happens to him?
I don't think you guys are seeing what is happening. I believe the authoritarian powers-that-shouldn't-be are intentionally conditioning Americans to disregard due process and the constitution. The way they're doing that is by starting with easy cases like this current one. As I said.... many folks don't care about the basic rights of a bad person. If he or anyone else wasn't a bad person, those same folks would probably care a little bit more about said person's rights.
But that's not the way it's supposed to work. I'll repost the tweet I posted above, because this pretty much sums it up:
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LOL
The judge has still to do this, as SCOTUS asked her:
... The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch ...
Your superhero, The Maryland Man™ had multiple court hearings. You want to ignore that he was in the country illegally and was a wife beater.
Cut and paste your tweet above a dozen more times. In the meantime, your melodramatic, faux “outrage” about your hero being in prison suggests you need to send a strongly worded email, type it out in all caps, to Bukele and demand your superhero be released.
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Nope
buttercup
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If you can't debate in an honest way, then I'm not going to waste my time with you. He is not my "superhero", I even clearly stated that they're using an example of a BAD guy, to condition you to disregard due process. I have noticed that same pattern with you, on other topics. You debate dishonestly. Which is disgusting to me.
Of course you “carry the water” for the illegal alien, terrorist wife beaters and their lowlifes who fly to el Salvador hoping to bring your illegals, wife beaters back to the US.
I have noticed you are a dishonest hack and neither debate honestly or present a coherent argument.
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Prove it.
Once again, we hear the “due process”, slogan. How many court appearances for your superhero are required for your version of “due process”?
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It's documented
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I correctly predicted years and years ago that the democrat party would have a day of reckoning when they carried water for every single person who wasn't white and basically told whites to go **** off because they were privileged.
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You did it again. I was hoping you'd surprise me by debating in a decent and honest way, but you don't seem capable. I've seen that same pattern with you on numerous topics. I have no interest in that type of ugly exchange. Goodbye.
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Nope, you guys ALWAYS take the side of people like these, over and over, you always manage to go to bat for them.
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We all want chocolate.
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Quote it. But it does not exist.
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He had been in the the US for nearly 14 years. He crossed illegally at the age of 16, reportedly to flee gang violence. But even if that reason wasn't true... my point was that according to the constitution, even non-citizens get due process. The constitution recognizes it as a natural right for all people (not just citizens.) And my other point was, I truly believe there is an overall attack on due process, and that we're being conditioned to it being disregarded. And if we let that happen for the people we DON'T like... eventually it's going to happen for the people we DO like. If you don't believe that now, that's OK. But mark my words.
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If the Admin ignores the courts now they can ignore the courts when the next admin deports 100,000 political opponents.
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