It would appear not to be a coincidence that trump repeated a Russian talking point shortly after...

[jc456]

So Trump won't let that happen?

Isn't that what were talking about? weird.

Europe always wanted an end to this war...

They should follow Trump then. Trump wants peace, they want war and unliving ukrainians. weird.

Putting Russian in its place is probably best... Cheaper in the long run..

Russia isn't going anywhere if zelensky signs the mineral deal. Why does Z want to challenge Putin?

 

[whitehall]

Actually it's the TDS American left that constantly reminds us of Putin's talking points. Trump has to deal with these regimes in order to make peace and peace is one thing the left hates because they thrive on unrest and anger and fear.

 

[CowboyTed]

Isn't that what were talking about? weird.

They should follow Trump then. Trump wants peace, they want war and unliving ukrainians. weird.

Trump wants surrender...

Problem with Ukraine's surrender, Russia will be back for the lot...

What part of Putin doesn't do deals unless he is forced into them, he has broken international deals continuously, even when US signatures are on them.
Putin sees Trump as an easy mark...

Russia isn't going anywhere if zelensky signs the mineral deal. Why does Z want to challenge Putin?

Seriously... Do you know the history of the region...
Even when independent Russia was continuously meddling in Ukraine.

Ukraine want to join EU and NATO... That way Putin can fuck off...
Ukraine has that, then Putin can't interfere..

Please stop with the peace bullshit... We know what Putin is up to and Trump is just his lackey in the game.
Everyone sees Trump's submissive relationship with Putin...
Putin and Russia are weak right now. Putin is a bully, time to close this baby out...

 

[CowboyTed]

Actually it's the TDS American left that constantly reminds us of Putin's talking points. Trump has to deal with these regimes in order to make peace and peace is one thing the left hates because they thrive on unrest and anger and fear.

Trump is all about the surrender and leave the mess to someone else...

Trump undermines America internationally.. He makes America untrustworthy...

Want an example, Canada is starting to export to China over US because they are a more trusted partner at this stage..
It is becoming very clear that doing business outside US is way more stable than with the US.

Thanks, but no Thanks... China is more trustworthy, at least they know the consequences of their actions..

 

[JimH52]

This is the real question...

If Europe is supporting Ukraine, they might say fuck this... Let's ramp this up run a line to split Russian forces
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Using Air Supremacy (Europe might not be the best int he world but Russia's is real shit)

• So bomb the Crimean bridge and Russian Dock...
• Cut their supply and reinforcement lines...
• Take all that territory while just containing the Donbas...
• When finished, cut Donbas supply lines and push Russia back

This is all possible if Europe commits...

Big Question:
Will Trump let that happen?

• Europe get the mineral rights
• Russia pays war reparations to EU and Ukraine

Putin could get pummelled, does he let his bestie get rolled like this?

The real question is if NATO actually goes to war with Russia, who would the United States support. Right now, it looks like we would support Russia.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And that is also why trump is planning on lifting sanctions on Russia, rewarding Poootin with billions to invade the rest of Europe?

Is Trump going to buy oil and natural gas from Russia, or is that just the EU?

 

[CowboyTed]

The real question is if NATO actually goes to war with Russia, who would the United States support. Right now, it looks like we would support Russia.

That is the question...

But it would be Trump and his selected lackeys for Russia...

Everyone else would be for Democracy and Europe...

If you think this out, it is nuts, US President could be siding with Russia (dictatorship and corruption) against Europe (Democracy and Transparency/Human Rights)...
He has the MAGA so twisted now they have totally lost their moral compass... IT does really show you the power of propaganda... Look at the MAGA here, they can't comprehend that Trump is wrong, he has to be right.

 

[CowboyTed]

Is Trump going to buy oil and natural gas from Russia, or is that just the EU?

EU has been weaning itself of Russian gas as quickly as it could...

And a lot of that is Hungry...

Russian Gas and Oil comes with a significant discount due to sanctions

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

EU has been weaning itself of Russian gas as quickly as it could...
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And a lot of that is Hungry...

Russian Gas and Oil comes with a significant discount due to sanctions

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Finally, after Trump warned them in his first term.
Now if they would reallocate their stupid "green energy"
spending to defense, they could credibly defend themselves.

 

[sartre play]

Only in your head.

He is our President. He works for us and puts our interests first.

You can’t articulate why supporting this dumb forever proxy war is a benefit to the US.

I really wish that was true.

 

[sartre play]

Trump Didn’t End Russian Pipeline​

In talking about his ability to “get along” with the leaders of Russia, China and North Korea, Trump falsely claimed that he “ended” Nord Stream 2 — the Russian pipeline that would double the export of Russian natural gas to Germany. He also misleadingly said Biden “approved it.”


Nord Stream 2 is a completed, but not yet operational, pipeline under the Baltic Sea from Russia to Germany. It runs parallel with Nord Stream 1, which has been operational since 2011, according to a Dec. 9 report by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service.

Nord Stream 2 “must receive certification from German regulators before it becomes operational,” the CRS report said. But German Chancellor Olaf Scholz stopped the certification process on Feb. 22 — the day that Russian President Vladimir Putin recognized two separatist territories in eastern Ukraine as independent states and sent Russian troops into the Donbas region of Ukraine.

Congress and successive administrations have opposed Nord Stream 2, and, as a result, there have been interruptions in construction of the pipeline, CRS said in a Feb. 8, 2021, report.

In December 2019, while Trump was in office, Congress approved a defense bill, signed into law by Trump, that included sanctions against companies building the Russian pipeline. Pipeline construction was suspended in response to the sanctions. At the time, the pipeline was about 90% completed, according to a Dec. 18, 2019, CNBC news report. “[F]ewer than 100 miles of the approximately 760-mile long pipeline system (consisting of two parallel lines) remained to be laid,” CRS said in its February 2021 report.

“Some critics have said the sanctions are too little, too late, because the project is nearly completed,” according to the Atlantic Council, a Washington, D.C., think tank that focuses on international affairs.

Despite the U.S. sanctions, pipeline construction resumed again in December 2020, while Trump was still in office.

So, Trump can claim credit for slowing the project but not ending it.

The Biden administration opposes the pipeline project, but “appears to have shifted its focus towards mitigating the potential negative impacts of an operational pipeline,” CRS said in its December report.

“The Biden Administration has called Nord Stream 2 a ‘bad deal’ and said U.S. opposition to the pipeline is ‘unwavering,’” the report said. “Nevertheless, U.S. officials have suggested the Administration’s ability to prevent the pipeline from becoming operational is limited, even with additional sanctions. They also have expressed concern that additional U.S. sanctions could jeopardize U.S.-German and U.S.-European cooperation in other areas, including countering Russian aggression.”

Even without Nord Stream 2, Europe is heavily dependent on Russian gas, “which accounted for about 48% of EU natural gas imports in 2020,” CRS said in its December report. “Russian gas exports to the EU were up 18% year-on-year in the first quarter of 2021.”

Biden waived sanctions against those involved in the Nord Stream 2 project in May 2021 — which is what Trump is referring to when he says that Biden “approved” Nord Stream 2. In fact, only Germany can approve the project.

The Russian state-owned energy company Gazprom announced the completion of the pipeline in September 2021.

Thanks for more info on the pipe line. Only go's to show just how complicated world political views are.
And how necessary putting people in place who have both the education( in their field) and the intelligence to make better choices.
For America & getting along with others who live on this planet.

 

[CowboyTed]

Finally, after Trump warned them in his first term.
Now if they would reallocate their stupid "green energy"
spending to defense, they could credibly defend themselves.

Actually... If there is an upside to the war...

Renewable Energy business got so lucrative that the European Countries created a windfall tax for the Wind and solar industry to help customers pay for all energy bills.

Renewables came too profitable..

 

[CowboyTed]

Only in your head.

He is our President. He works for us and puts our interests first.

You can’t articulate why supporting this dumb forever proxy war is a benefit to the US.

I don't think you are getting it...
Ukraine was invaded, it is not a dumb proxy war...

A US Ally who has a security pact was invaded by a enemy of US...
US does nothing and don't expect anyone to believe the next time you say I got your back.

 

[CowboyTed]

Thanks for more info on the pipe line. Only go's to show just how complicated world political views are.
And how necessary putting people in place who have both the education( in their field) and the intelligence to make better choices.
For America & getting along with others who live on this planet.

I know... What was wrong with people, you are the kind of people that couldn't get along with Hitler and Stalin and look how that turned out...
Just give peace a chance.... I know Putin has broken three peace agreements already, but this time I really really think he is going to mean it... He promised this time... Mind you he said Ukraine invaded Russia, I suppose we have to believe that too...

Right so, we want no naysayers, it is disrespectful... Everyone now has to believe Mr. Putin even though he is not going to apologise and he isn't going to actually leave... But this time he says he really means it...

Is anyone dumb enough to believe that?

 

[JimH52]

Actually it's the TDS American left that constantly reminds us of Putin's talking points. Trump has to deal with these regimes in order to make peace and peace is one thing the left hates because they thrive on unrest and anger and fear.

While trump rolls over on his back and asks Vlad, "What can I do for you now? I have stopped aid to Ukraine. I have called Zelenskyy a Dictator. I am preparing to lift sanctions against you, freeing up billions of dollars for your war machine. I have alienated the EU and other members of NATO, even telling them I will not come to their defense. WHAT ELSE CAN I DO FOR YOU, VLAD?"

 

[g5000]

A whole lot of champagne corks were popping in the Kremlin last November 5.

 

[JimH52]

A whole lot of champagne corks were popping in the Kremlin last November 5.

They celebrated in 2016 when he won and they celebrated in November 2024 when he won. The Kremlin is ecstatic over the Don coming to power again. But the repubs just cannot see why Poootin loves trump so much?

It does not take a genius to figure out that trump is doing Poootin's bidding. WE ARE PART OF THE EVIL AXIS NOW!

 

[jc456]

Trump wants surrender...

Trump wants the killing to stop. Why do you want more human unliving?

Problem with Ukraine's surrender, Russia will be back for the lot...

negotiating peace is not surrender, it's an agreement. Didn't Hitler surrender in a agreement?

What else is there other than more unliving?

What part of Putin doesn't do deals unless he is forced into them,

if Z did the deal proposed, Russia would. negotiations is a tricky thing left to adults who have brain and experience.

he has broken international deals continuously, even when US signatures are on them.
Putin sees Trump as an easy mark...

so did the US in 2014. What now?

Seriously... Do you know the history of the region...
Even when independent Russia was continuously meddling in Ukraine.

Seriously, don't you? Russia does not want NATO in Ukraine, so all anyone needs to say is no NATO in Ukraine and it's over. Why is that difficult to do?

Ukraine want to join EU and NATO... That way Putin can fuck off...
Ukraine has that, then Putin can't interfere..

so lives are not important and only NATO is? you remain stupid as a fk.

Please stop with the peace bullshit... We know what Putin is up to and Trump is just his lackey in the game.
Everyone sees Trump's submissive relationship with Putin...
Putin and Russia are weak right now. Putin is a bully, time to close this baby out...

No more war, no more deaths, leave the living living and people back their home. You aren't there and have no fking idea what is what. So you can STU.

 

[Billiejeens]

No I didn’t. Trump isn’t Right-wing enough for my tastes so I wrote my name in for POTUS, just like I did in 2020.

So you voted for an elderly clown.

 

[Anathema]

So you voted for an elderly clown.

I voted for the only candidate I could trust… myself.