It Seems Neither Side of the Ukraine/Russia Conflict Want Peace at the Moment

[marvin martian]

They don't want to stop fighting money-laundering.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Zavulon]

You are Rus, and just can't stop lying.

You don't have the numbers, the tech, the equipment, or the leadership.

Of course we have.

That attitude, little Ivan, guarantees your extinction.

No problem. Even in the worst case we'll take America and Europe (and significant parts of population in Asia, Africa and Oceania) with us. It is much better to die as a human being, rather than live as an Indian. But more likely we'll kill all of you, but we will survive.

 

[Zavulon]

Will you permit Russians to live in Russia?

No, they won't. Officially declared European goal is "decolonisation of Russia". Meaning genocide of Russians.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Of course we have.


No problem. Even in the worst case we'll take America and Europe (and significant parts of population in Asia, Africa and Oceania) with us. It is much better to die as a human being, rather than live as an Indian. But more likely we'll kill all of you, but we will survive.

No, you won't, because you will not commit ethnic or national extinction.

You are losing the war. No way to stop that.

And stop the "I would rather die..." than whatever. How stupid are you?

No one is going to bother you if you leave eastern Europe alone.

 

[Zavulon]

No, you won't, because you will not commit ethnic or national extinction.

Exactly because we don't want commit collective suicide, we won't allow NATO (and their proxies) come close to our borders and kill us. Allowing NATO forces in Ukraine is clear and obvious suicide. Fighting against NATO (if necessary until total annihilation of America, Western and Central Europe and humanitarian occupation of the Eastern Europe) gives us much better chances of survival.

You are losing the war. No way to stop that.

We are winning. That's the fact. And you are losing. The only question is when will you accept reality and how much you'll lose.

And stop the "I would rather die..." than whatever. How stupid are you?

Obviously I'm much smarter than you. And the graveyards of history are full of the nations (including some great nations) who thought that they can break Russian will and deturmines.

No one is going to bother you if you leave eastern Europe alone.

Plain lie. Officially declared EU's goal is "decolonisation of Russia", meaning - genocide of Russians. Ethnic Russians are discriminated, abused and genocided on the NATO controlled territories. And, of course, the only goal of NATO's expansion is preparation to the war against Russia.

 

[GLASNOST]

There may come a time in the near future when Russia will have to say, "We are finished talking and we are cutting all communication lines. If you take one more step against us we are going to push the button."

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

From Sweden to Turkey, yes, we will remain close to your borders.

You will no longer threaten eastern Europe, and your hope for a new empire or ussr are simply nightmares for you.

 

[Zavulon]

From Sweden to Turkey, yes, we will remain close to your borders.

You will no longer threaten eastern Europe, and your hope for a new empire or ussr are simply nightmares for you.

If you want escalation - there will be escalation. The USA will be depopulated, the wolves will howl on the slightly radioactive ruins of the cities and the droids, remotly controlled by Russian teenagers, will be searching for leftovers even in the deepest caves and darkest forests.
You know, the "beautiful tomorrow" of 2029 is coming closer.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You sound demented.

Your powers that be will remove Putin before any of that happens.

 

[Zavulon]

You sound demented.

Your powers that be will remove Putin before any of that happens.

Its not that I do like Putin, but we both know that it is not about him. It is about genocidal European expansion. So, I prefer to genocide them (and you, if necessary), rather than allow them genocide us.

 

[Ringo]

No one is going to bother you if you leave eastern Europe alone.

First, Russia is Eastern Europe, second the Russian Federation in 2022 intervened in a non-international armed conflict in Ukraine since 2014. Just as NATO in 1995 and 1999 intervened in a similar conflict on the territory of the former Yugoslavia since 1991.
If NATO's actions in 1995 and 1999 were legitimate, then Russia's actions in 2022 are also legitimate, the situation under international law is completely symmetrical.

What is important is the precedent of interference of third countries in an internal conflict, which was formally prohibited by Article 3, paragraph 2 of the 1977 II Additional Protocol to the Geneva Convention.

NATO's actions in 1995 and, especially, in 1999 disavowed this provision, creating a precedent that such intervention for humanitarian reasons is permissible. And precedent in the international legal field is quite a source of law, it has such a peculiarity.

After the Russian Federation recognized the independence of the LDNR, the conflict formally acquired an international character for the Russian Federation. However, for all those who did not recognize the LDNR it remained non-international.
If Ukraine had formally declared itself in a state of war with the Russian Federation (which it had the right to do, interpreting the actions of the Russian Federation as an aggressor) - everything would have been different.

But it did not do this for obvious reasons, so that its allies could help it without accusations of military smuggling, obligations to intern military personnel on their territory, etc. However, the direct result of this policy is the illegitimacy of any forceful actions of Ukraine on the internationally recognized territory of the Russian Federation. Any shot towards the RF, any sabotage without a formal declaration of war is chemically pure aggression.

And European and other allies of Ukraine in this case have no formal grounds for accusing Russia of violating international law. Since within the framework of their legal position the position of the Russian Federation in 2022 is absolutely symmetrical to the position of NATO in 1999.
The motives of the RF actions are exactly the same - to protect the population of the republics, the fact that formally for this purpose the recognition of independence of LDNR was carried out and the intervention occurred with reference to the right of collective defense under the UN Charter does not change anything in the legal qualification of the event.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Its not that I do like Putin, but we both know that it is not about him. It is about genocidal European expansion. So, I prefer to genocide them (and you, if necessary), rather than allow them genocide us.

Who is expanding in to western Russia, my friends?

You are not allowed to expand into Scandanavia, the Baltic States, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, etc.

As far as the issue with Russian, Polish, and German boundaries, that was settled after WWII.

It is what it is.

The status quo will not change.

Putin is why you have a million dead.

Ringo and Zavulon, etc., this is the way it will be.

 

[justoffal]

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/25/g-s1-68868/russia-ukraine-drone-missile-attack

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/01/europe/ukraine-drones-russia-airbases-intl

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/28/europe/zelensky-germany-taurus-missiles-latam-intl

So, why are we spending so much time, money, and effort trying to get them to the negotiating table, when neither wants what the U.S. would be offering as a bargaining chip?

It seems both sides are hoping to score a decisive victory, which will make them stronger in any negotiations. No moral failing in that. If Brazil, for example, had offered to broker a peace deal between the U.S. and Japan in 1943, I doubt either side would have been interested.

So, let them fight it out.

Hopefully, it goes without saying that they can do that without any more weapons, money, or even moral support by the U.S. to either side.

After 500,000 casualties Russia is not going to walk away empty-handed. Zalensky will have to be carried kicking and screaming away from his money-making gig as the gangster boss of Ukraine.

NATO is determined to expand abandoning it's original mission of being a defensive organization.

Nope we're not anywhere close to peace.

Just wait till China moves on Taiwan. Think we are stretched thin now?

 

[Seymour Flops]

After 500,000 casualties Russia is not going to walk away empty-handed. Zalensky will have to be carried kicking and screaming away from his money-making gig as the gangster boss of Ukraine.

NATO is determined to expand abandoning it's original mission of being a defensive organization.

Nope we're not anywhere close to peace.

I'm sure,all of that is true. But even more sure it's best for us to stay out of it. Get out of it, I should say.

Just wait till China moves on Taiwan. Think we are stretched thin now?

Good point. Let's conserve our resources for that.

Biden promised we'd defend Taiwan if China invaded. I don't know if that's binding since it wasn't on his teleprompter and it wasn't signed by the autopen.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We defend Israel and Ukraine and South Korea and Taiwan because it limits opportunities for our enemies to cause too much mischief.

 

[GLASNOST]

NATO is determined to expand abandoning it's original mission of being a defensive organization.

The world is fucked NATO has abandoned its defensive stance and has expanded, Sweden has abandoned its neutral stance, and Russia has dismantled the USSR and Warsaw Pact. So ... who's "the good guy"? In theory the answer to that question ought to be simple.

 

[zaangalewa]

It Seems Neither Side of the Ukraine/Russia Conflict Want Peace at the Moment​

There are no two sides. Only Russia - and no one else - started this war, Russia is doing this war and Russia is not ending this war. Russia is the biggest country of the world - but not big enough for Putin.

The Ukraine defends only the own country and the own people - and needs help to do so.

 

[CowboyTed]

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/25/g-s1-68868/russia-ukraine-drone-missile-attack

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/01/europe/ukraine-drones-russia-airbases-intl

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/28/europe/zelensky-germany-taurus-missiles-latam-intl

So, why are we spending so much time, money, and effort trying to get them to the negotiating table, when neither wants what the U.S. would be offering as a bargaining chip?

It seems both sides are hoping to score a decisive victory, which will make them stronger in any negotiations. No moral failing in that. If Brazil, for example, had offered to broker a peace deal between the U.S. and Japan in 1943, I doubt either side would have been interested.

So, let them fight it out.

Hopefully, it goes without saying that they can do that without any more weapons, money, or even moral support by the U.S. to either side.

Again, Russia can always go home... Ukraine don't have that option...

Russia would want peace to rearm and attack again at a latter date... Putin will attack again if given the foothold, this is well known in Europe...

Simply if Trump wants to be realistic... Just say to Putin to **** off or I am paying for a Ukraine Mercenary Airforce, Mercenary Army and I am giving them long range missiles... They will have gone in 6 months...

Now putting when you leaving because the other way involves a lot of Russians in bodybags and the same result.

 

[GLASNOST]

... Russia can always go home... Ukraine don't have that option...

Not true. The Ukies can leave Kursk and Donbas. Good riddance.

 

[Blaster]

Let them fight it out.