Israel Wants Peace

[member]

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

Oh, shut up! This has nothing to do with compromise. It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Occupations are supposed to be temporary. This ones been going on almost 50 years. It is the cause of all the violence. In order to end the violence, you have to stop what is causing it. In this case, the occupation and the immoral, illegal blockade of Gaza, which is "collective punishment" against an entire population of people, which makes that, a war crime.

You have no right to deny them their inalienable rights. No right to subject them to martial law. No right to transfer your population onto their land. The West Bank is not your property and it never will be your property. Eventually, you will be removed from the West Bank just like Hitler was removed from Poland.

"...This ones been going on almost 50 years. It is the cause of all the violence. In order to end the violence, you have to stop what is causing it..."












who embodies the Palestinian Government: (isn't it a terrorist group)? what ? i can't hear you...





The Government: Palestinian Terrorist Group #1





Government Associates: Palestinian Terrorist Group #2





Associates of Associates: Palestinian Terrorist Group #3

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

Hummm! I'm not entirely sure you understand the issue.

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

Oh, shut up! This has nothing to do with compromise. It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Occupations are supposed to be temporary. This ones been going on almost 50 years. It is the cause of all the violence. In order to end the violence, you have to stop what is causing it. In this case, the occupation and the immoral, illegal blockade of Gaza, which is "collective punishment" against an entire population of people, which makes that, a war crime.

(COMMENT)

Your comment that "It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war" is somewhat carelessly phrased.

First, Prior to 1967, there was no such law. In fact, other than the Westphalian Compact, a vast majority of territorial acquisitions were made either under the claim of "Discovery" or "Conquest;" both of which were legitimate, and --- arguably --- still are. There is nothing in the Charter that stipulates "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war." What the Charter says [which is applicable (Article 2(4)] is: "refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state."

In 1967, the War of Independence (the Arab-Israeli War of 1948-49) was unresolved; merely under the ceasefire by Armistice. UN Security Council Resolution 242 used that phrasing: "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war." It is somewhat ambiguous. It does not specify which nations to which it pertains; nor does it specify which territory to which it pertains. Certainly, the West Bank was sovereign Jordanian Territory (not Palestine and not Palestinian). And in that case, the matter was settled in the 1994 Treaty of Peace between the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel --- when the international boundary between Israel and Jordan was delimited in Article 3 of that treaty. But Resolution 242 did not specify if it was addressing the Jordanian acquisition by force of the West Bank in 1949 and the annexation in 1950, or the Israeli occupation in 1967, for which there was no annexation (not then and not now). There is a similar set of circumstances pertaining to the Gaza Strip, which was under Egyptian Military Administration, which was resolved in 1979 Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel, when the permanent international boundary between Israel and Egypt was recognized in Article 2 of that treaty. As it pertains to the Palestinian holding today, west Band and Gaza Strip, Resolution 242 is simply not applicable.

In order to end the violence, you have to stop what is causing it. In this case, the occupation and the immoral, illegal blockade of Gaza, which is "collective punishment" against an entire population of people, which makes that, a war crime.

(COMMENT)

While I do agree impart that the "PALESTINIANS" want to end the violence, they have to stop causing it, there is no issue of "collective punishment" (Rule 103 Customary International Humanitarian Law):

Article 50 Hague Regulations,

• 
  ARTICLE 50. No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which they cannot be regarded as jointly and severally responsible.

Article 87 Third Geneva Convention,

• 
  ARTICLE 87
  Collective punishment for individual acts, corporal punishments, imprisonment in premises without daylight and, in general, any form of torture or cruelty, are forbidden.

Article 33, Fourth Geneva Convention,

• 
  ARTICLE 33 No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
  Pillage is prohibited.
  Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.

Article 75(2)(d) Additional Protocol I,

• 
  Article 75 -- Fundamental guarantees
  
  2. The following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever, whether committed by civilian or by military agents:
  
  (d) collective punishments; and

Article 4(2)(b) Additional Protocol II,

• 
  Article 4 -- Fundamental guarantees
  
  1. All persons who do not take a direct part or who have ceased to take part in hostilities, whether or not their liberty has been restricted, are entitled to respect for their person, honour and convictions and religious practices. They shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction. It is prohibited to order that there shall be no survivors.
  
  2. Without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, the following acts against the persons referred to in paragraph 1 are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever:
  
  (b) collective punishments;

With the possible exception of Article 33 --- Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited --- which can be justified in terms of security countermeasure, Israel is not in violation of the Rule 103 Collective Punishment prohibitions. Security countermeasures and actions taken to prevent hostile forces from benefiting in some way from normal freedoms is not considered a "collective punishment." Israel is no taking reprisals against Palestinians. Israel is not, on mass involved in: (Article 3)

• 
  (a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
  
  (b) taking of hostages;
  
  (c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment;
  
  (d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

You have no right to deny them their inalienable rights. No right to subject them to martial law. No right to transfer your population onto their land. The West Bank is not your property and it never will be your property. Eventually, you will be removed from the West Bank just like Hitler was removed from Poland.

(COMMENT)

Israel will probably leave the West Bank to its own devises in the future. Bust as long as the Palestinians pose a tactical, operational or strategic threat to the peace and security of Israel and it citizenry, it will probably remain under occupation. Most experts agree that Article 6 of the GCIV restricts the length of time that most of GCIV applies to one year after the close of military operations. It has no been the case that military operations, pursuant to the 1948/49 War of Independence has closed. There are still several Palestinian Irregular Armed Forces (PIAF) still conducting active operations against Israel. Since both the Jihadist of the Islamic Resistance Movement and the various terrorist and Fedayeen operating in the name of the PLO are still engaged in hostile activity, the occupation under international humanitarian law will continue. As of yet, the Palestinian Leadership have yet to cease anti-Israeli operations. In the last (nearly) seven decades, there has not been a year of peace (a close to military operations).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[member]

Billo_Really, et al,

Hummm! I'm not entirely sure you understand the issue.

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

Oh, shut up! This has nothing to do with compromise. It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Occupations are supposed to be temporary. This ones been going on almost 50 years. It is the cause of all the violence. In order to end the violence, you have to stop what is causing it. In this case, the occupation and the immoral, illegal blockade of Gaza, which is "collective punishment" against an entire population of people, which makes that, a war crime.

(COMMENT)

Your comment that "It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war" is somewhat carelessly phrased.

First, Prior to 1967, there was no such law. In fact, other than the Westphalian Compact, a vast majority of territorial acquisitions were made either under the claim of "Discovery" or "Conquest;" both of which were legitimate, and --- arguably --- still are. There is nothing in the Charter that stipulates "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war." What the Charter says [which is applicable (Article 2(4)] is: "refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state."

In 1967, the War of Independence (the Arab-Israeli War of 1948-49) was unresolved; merely under the ceasefire by Armistice. UN Security Council Resolution 242 used that phrasing: "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war." It is somewhat ambiguous. It does not specify which nations to which it pertains; nor does it specify which territory to which it pertains. Certainly, the West Bank was sovereign Jordanian Territory (not Palestine and not Palestinian). And in that case, the matter was settled in the 1994 Treaty of Peace between the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel --- when the international boundary between Israel and Jordan was delimited in Article 3 of that treaty. But Resolution 242 did not specify if it was addressing the Jordanian acquisition by force of the West Bank in 1949 and the annexation in 1950, or the Israeli occupation in 1967, for which there was no annexation (not then and not now). There is a similar set of circumstances pertaining to the Gaza Strip, which was under Egyptian Military Administration, which was resolved in 1979 Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel, when the permanent international boundary between Israel and Egypt was recognized in Article 2 of that treaty. As it pertains to the Palestinian holding today, west Band and Gaza Strip, Resolution 242 is simply not applicable.

In order to end the violence, you have to stop what is causing it. In this case, the occupation and the immoral, illegal blockade of Gaza, which is "collective punishment" against an entire population of people, which makes that, a war crime.

(COMMENT)

While I do agree impart that the "PALESTINIANS" want to end the violence, they have to stop causing it, there is no issue of "collective punishment" (Rule 103 Customary International Humanitarian Law):

Article 50 Hague Regulations,

• 
  ARTICLE 50. No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which they cannot be regarded as jointly and severally responsible.

Article 87 Third Geneva Convention,

• 
  ARTICLE 87
  Collective punishment for individual acts, corporal punishments, imprisonment in premises without daylight and, in general, any form of torture or cruelty, are forbidden.

Article 33, Fourth Geneva Convention,

• 
  ARTICLE 33 No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
  Pillage is prohibited.
  Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.

Article 75(2)(d) Additional Protocol I,

• 
  Article 75 -- Fundamental guarantees
  
  2. The following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever, whether committed by civilian or by military agents:
  
  (d) collective punishments; and

Article 4(2)(b) Additional Protocol II,

• 
  Article 4 -- Fundamental guarantees
  
  1. All persons who do not take a direct part or who have ceased to take part in hostilities, whether or not their liberty has been restricted, are entitled to respect for their person, honour and convictions and religious practices. They shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction. It is prohibited to order that there shall be no survivors.
  
  2. Without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, the following acts against the persons referred to in paragraph 1 are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever:
  
  (b) collective punishments;

With the possible exception of Article 33 --- Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited --- which can be justified in terms of security countermeasure, Israel is not in violation of the Rule 103 Collective Punishment prohibitions. Security countermeasures and actions taken to prevent hostile forces from benefiting in some way from normal freedoms is not considered a "collective punishment." Israel is no taking reprisals against Palestinians. Israel is not, on mass involved in: (Article 3)

• 
  (a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
  
  (b) taking of hostages;
  
  (c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment;
  
  (d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

You have no right to deny them their inalienable rights. No right to subject them to martial law. No right to transfer your population onto their land. The West Bank is not your property and it never will be your property. Eventually, you will be removed from the West Bank just like Hitler was removed from Poland.

(COMMENT)

Israel will probably leave the West Bank to its own devises in the future. Bust as long as the Palestinians pose a tactical, operational or strategic threat to the peace and security of Israel and it citizenry, it will probably remain under occupation. Most experts agree that Article 6 of the GCIV restricts the length of time that most of GCIV applies to one year after the close of military operations. It has no been the case that military operations, pursuant to the 1948/49 War of Independence has closed. There are still several Palestinian Irregular Armed Forces (PIAF) still conducting active operations against Israel. Since both the Jihadist of the Islamic Resistance Movement and the various terrorist and Fedayeen operating in the name of the PLO are still engaged in hostile activity, the occupation under international humanitarian law will continue. As of yet, the Palestinian Leadership have yet to cease anti-Israeli operations. In the last (nearly) seven decades, there has not been a year of peace (a close to military operations).

Most Respectfully,
R

Respectfully, sir:






they ain't got it "in-them" for this intelligence stuff.........

 

[montelatici]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

If Israel wanted peace, they'd end the occupation and blockade.

(COMMENT)

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

The Israelis, under the threat of violence from the Arab Palestinian since a time before independence, cannot afford to compromise the defense of the nation or the security of the citizens. If Israel makes the first move towards peace and allows the Arab Palestinian to secure a strategic offensive advantage, they might lose all and never be able to regain its sovereignty. The Israelis, having been attacked numerous times by nearly every Arab nation (at least once), and consistently outnumbered by Hostile Arabs, has much to risk in such an uneven political equation and tactical situation.

If we just examine the timeframe beginning with the UN General Assembly Adoption of the Resolution 181(II), we find that Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) made a solemn pledge 68 years ago (over half a century past) that was made by an Arab Leadership that supported the authors of the Holocaust (the systematic and state-sponsored persecution of six million Jews by the Axis Powers and its collaborators) which said:

13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

• • 
    (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
    
    (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
    
    (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
    
    (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
    
    (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
    
    (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
    
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948

This pledge has gone essential unchanged for more nearly seven decades and is mimicked in Palestinian National Charter (1968), the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (1988), and more recently in a 2013 major position paper, published by Khaled Meshal, Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau (currently hiding out on Doha, Qatar).

Oddly enough, Palestinians in general --- pose a new kind of threat to themselves, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel. The inability of the HoAP to effectively govern has allowed the Islamic State (ISIS/DAESH) (and associated Salafi terrorist groups) to appeared and operate in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. More recently, a group calling itself the "Supporters of the Islamic State in Jerusalem" has turned-up in the Holy City; placing the City itself at risk. ISIS is know to vandalize and destroy locations holding ancient artifacts and antiquities. The ability of the HoAP to secure its own territorial interests from such a threat represents a much greater threat to Palestinian Sovereignty than Israel ever did.

The HoAP must first turnover a new leaf, if it is to get a reaction from the Israelis. The HoAP must demonstrate that the vendetta and feud between the Israeli and Palestinian is over and they must first demonstrate that through actual deeds. That is of course, if they are not first eaten by the Iranians or ISIS.

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.

 

[theliq]

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

Oh, shut up! This has nothing to do with compromise. It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Occupations are supposed to be temporary. This ones been going on almost 50 years. It is the cause of all the violence. In order to end the violence, you have to stop what is causing it. In this case, the occupation and the immoral, illegal blockade of Gaza, which is "collective punishment" against an entire population of people, which makes that, a war crime.

You have no right to deny them their inalienable rights. No right to subject them to martial law. No right to transfer your population onto their land. The West Bank is not your property and it never will be your property. Eventually, you will be removed from the West Bank just like Hitler was removed from Poland.

The violence was the cause of the occupation you stupid idiot, the only thing you got right was to end the occupation you have to end what caused it and that is islamonazi terrorism and violence. You islamomorons point to the deaths of Palestinians after 2000 because before then the Israelis were being killed on piece. Who are you to say what is a war crime and what isn't. Don't you believe that International law of 1923 should be implemented just because it is in Israel's favour, the arab muslims have no legal or moral rights to claim any of Jewish Palestine after getting 78% of Palestine for themselves. They are denying themselves their rights by refusing to take the next step in free determination because they know they will fail to stand on their own feet and have to beg from the world. Look at the LoN Mandate of Palestine and see who was given what and how the arab muslims have brainwashed the Jew Haters into defending their terrorist attacks.
Israel has every right to occupy their own land, has every right to impose martial law, every right to put Israeli's on their land. The west bank was Jewish property from 1923 and will be until hell freezes over. The only way that Israel will be removed is if Iran uses nuclear weapons, and then Iran will cease to exist.

SO WILL ISRAEL,YOU DOPE

 

[theliq]

Or yours, which means that Israeli women and children wont have to worry about trailer park trash shooting them in their beds.

I'd like to shoot this Israeli woman in bed.





Anyone who gets me a date with her, I will gladly throw a Palestinian of their choosing, under the bus.

Not my type

 

[Phoenall]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

If Israel wanted peace, they'd end the occupation and blockade.

(COMMENT)

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

The Israelis, under the threat of violence from the Arab Palestinian since a time before independence, cannot afford to compromise the defense of the nation or the security of the citizens. If Israel makes the first move towards peace and allows the Arab Palestinian to secure a strategic offensive advantage, they might lose all and never be able to regain its sovereignty. The Israelis, having been attacked numerous times by nearly every Arab nation (at least once), and consistently outnumbered by Hostile Arabs, has much to risk in such an uneven political equation and tactical situation.

If we just examine the timeframe beginning with the UN General Assembly Adoption of the Resolution 181(II), we find that Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) made a solemn pledge 68 years ago (over half a century past) that was made by an Arab Leadership that supported the authors of the Holocaust (the systematic and state-sponsored persecution of six million Jews by the Axis Powers and its collaborators) which said:

13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

• • 
    (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
    
    (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
    
    (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
    
    (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
    
    (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
    
    (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
    
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948

This pledge has gone essential unchanged for more nearly seven decades and is mimicked in Palestinian National Charter (1968), the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (1988), and more recently in a 2013 major position paper, published by Khaled Meshal, Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau (currently hiding out on Doha, Qatar).

Oddly enough, Palestinians in general --- pose a new kind of threat to themselves, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel. The inability of the HoAP to effectively govern has allowed the Islamic State (ISIS/DAESH) (and associated Salafi terrorist groups) to appeared and operate in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. More recently, a group calling itself the "Supporters of the Islamic State in Jerusalem" has turned-up in the Holy City; placing the City itself at risk. ISIS is know to vandalize and destroy locations holding ancient artifacts and antiquities. The ability of the HoAP to secure its own territorial interests from such a threat represents a much greater threat to Palestinian Sovereignty than Israel ever did.

The HoAP must first turnover a new leaf, if it is to get a reaction from the Israelis. The HoAP must demonstrate that the vendetta and feud between the Israeli and Palestinian is over and they must first demonstrate that through actual deeds. That is of course, if they are not first eaten by the Iranians or ISIS.

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.

So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?

 

[Phoenall]

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

Oh, shut up! This has nothing to do with compromise. It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Occupations are supposed to be temporary. This ones been going on almost 50 years. It is the cause of all the violence. In order to end the violence, you have to stop what is causing it. In this case, the occupation and the immoral, illegal blockade of Gaza, which is "collective punishment" against an entire population of people, which makes that, a war crime.

You have no right to deny them their inalienable rights. No right to subject them to martial law. No right to transfer your population onto their land. The West Bank is not your property and it never will be your property. Eventually, you will be removed from the West Bank just like Hitler was removed from Poland.

The violence was the cause of the occupation you stupid idiot, the only thing you got right was to end the occupation you have to end what caused it and that is islamonazi terrorism and violence. You islamomorons point to the deaths of Palestinians after 2000 because before then the Israelis were being killed on piece. Who are you to say what is a war crime and what isn't. Don't you believe that International law of 1923 should be implemented just because it is in Israel's favour, the arab muslims have no legal or moral rights to claim any of Jewish Palestine after getting 78% of Palestine for themselves. They are denying themselves their rights by refusing to take the next step in free determination because they know they will fail to stand on their own feet and have to beg from the world. Look at the LoN Mandate of Palestine and see who was given what and how the arab muslims have brainwashed the Jew Haters into defending their terrorist attacks.
Israel has every right to occupy their own land, has every right to impose martial law, every right to put Israeli's on their land. The west bank was Jewish property from 1923 and will be until hell freezes over. The only way that Israel will be removed is if Iran uses nuclear weapons, and then Iran will cease to exist.

SO WILL ISRAEL,YOU DOPE

More muslims will die as a result and then the US will be tasked with the clean up. Poor Oz will be expected to take in the former extremist terrorist muslims as they have the most room

 

[Phoenall]

Or yours, which means that Israeli women and children wont have to worry about trailer park trash shooting them in their beds.

I'd like to shoot this Israeli woman in bed.





Anyone who gets me a date with her, I will gladly throw a Palestinian of their choosing, under the bus.

Not my type

Cos she is Jewish I expect, and she would laugh at your efforts

 

[MJB12741]

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

Oh, shut up! This has nothing to do with compromise. It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Occupations are supposed to be temporary. This ones been going on almost 50 years. It is the cause of all the violence. In order to end the violence, you have to stop what is causing it. In this case, the occupation and the immoral, illegal blockade of Gaza, which is "collective punishment" against an entire population of people, which makes that, a war crime.

You have no right to deny them their inalienable rights. No right to subject them to martial law. No right to transfer your population onto their land. The West Bank is not your property and it never will be your property. Eventually, you will be removed from the West Bank just like Hitler was removed from Poland.

"...This ones been going on almost 50 years. It is the cause of all the violence. In order to end the violence, you have to stop what is causing it..."












who embodies the Palestinian Government: (isn't it a terrorist group)? what ? i can't hear you...





The Government: Palestinian Terrorist Group #1





Government Associates: Palestinian Terrorist Group #2





Associates of Associates: Palestinian Terrorist Group #3

As long as the Palestinian terrorist groups just kill each other, I support them. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[montelatici]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

If Israel wanted peace, they'd end the occupation and blockade.

(COMMENT)

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

The Israelis, under the threat of violence from the Arab Palestinian since a time before independence, cannot afford to compromise the defense of the nation or the security of the citizens. If Israel makes the first move towards peace and allows the Arab Palestinian to secure a strategic offensive advantage, they might lose all and never be able to regain its sovereignty. The Israelis, having been attacked numerous times by nearly every Arab nation (at least once), and consistently outnumbered by Hostile Arabs, has much to risk in such an uneven political equation and tactical situation.

If we just examine the timeframe beginning with the UN General Assembly Adoption of the Resolution 181(II), we find that Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) made a solemn pledge 68 years ago (over half a century past) that was made by an Arab Leadership that supported the authors of the Holocaust (the systematic and state-sponsored persecution of six million Jews by the Axis Powers and its collaborators) which said:

13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

• • 
    (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
    
    (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
    
    (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
    
    (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
    
    (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
    
    (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
    
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948

This pledge has gone essential unchanged for more nearly seven decades and is mimicked in Palestinian National Charter (1968), the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (1988), and more recently in a 2013 major position paper, published by Khaled Meshal, Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau (currently hiding out on Doha, Qatar).

Oddly enough, Palestinians in general --- pose a new kind of threat to themselves, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel. The inability of the HoAP to effectively govern has allowed the Islamic State (ISIS/DAESH) (and associated Salafi terrorist groups) to appeared and operate in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. More recently, a group calling itself the "Supporters of the Islamic State in Jerusalem" has turned-up in the Holy City; placing the City itself at risk. ISIS is know to vandalize and destroy locations holding ancient artifacts and antiquities. The ability of the HoAP to secure its own territorial interests from such a threat represents a much greater threat to Palestinian Sovereignty than Israel ever did.

The HoAP must first turnover a new leaf, if it is to get a reaction from the Israelis. The HoAP must demonstrate that the vendetta and feud between the Israeli and Palestinian is over and they must first demonstrate that through actual deeds. That is of course, if they are not first eaten by the Iranians or ISIS.

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.

So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?

We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.

 

[MJB12741]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

If Israel wanted peace, they'd end the occupation and blockade.

(COMMENT)

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

The Israelis, under the threat of violence from the Arab Palestinian since a time before independence, cannot afford to compromise the defense of the nation or the security of the citizens. If Israel makes the first move towards peace and allows the Arab Palestinian to secure a strategic offensive advantage, they might lose all and never be able to regain its sovereignty. The Israelis, having been attacked numerous times by nearly every Arab nation (at least once), and consistently outnumbered by Hostile Arabs, has much to risk in such an uneven political equation and tactical situation.

If we just examine the timeframe beginning with the UN General Assembly Adoption of the Resolution 181(II), we find that Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) made a solemn pledge 68 years ago (over half a century past) that was made by an Arab Leadership that supported the authors of the Holocaust (the systematic and state-sponsored persecution of six million Jews by the Axis Powers and its collaborators) which said:

13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

• • 
    (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
    
    (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
    
    (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
    
    (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
    
    (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
    
    (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
    
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948

This pledge has gone essential unchanged for more nearly seven decades and is mimicked in Palestinian National Charter (1968), the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (1988), and more recently in a 2013 major position paper, published by Khaled Meshal, Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau (currently hiding out on Doha, Qatar).

Oddly enough, Palestinians in general --- pose a new kind of threat to themselves, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel. The inability of the HoAP to effectively govern has allowed the Islamic State (ISIS/DAESH) (and associated Salafi terrorist groups) to appeared and operate in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. More recently, a group calling itself the "Supporters of the Islamic State in Jerusalem" has turned-up in the Holy City; placing the City itself at risk. ISIS is know to vandalize and destroy locations holding ancient artifacts and antiquities. The ability of the HoAP to secure its own territorial interests from such a threat represents a much greater threat to Palestinian Sovereignty than Israel ever did.

The HoAP must first turnover a new leaf, if it is to get a reaction from the Israelis. The HoAP must demonstrate that the vendetta and feud between the Israeli and Palestinian is over and they must first demonstrate that through actual deeds. That is of course, if they are not first eaten by the Iranians or ISIS.

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.

So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?

We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.

Yep! Our native American population is all but gone. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte. Heh Heh!

Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health

 

[Phoenall]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

If Israel wanted peace, they'd end the occupation and blockade.

(COMMENT)

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

The Israelis, under the threat of violence from the Arab Palestinian since a time before independence, cannot afford to compromise the defense of the nation or the security of the citizens. If Israel makes the first move towards peace and allows the Arab Palestinian to secure a strategic offensive advantage, they might lose all and never be able to regain its sovereignty. The Israelis, having been attacked numerous times by nearly every Arab nation (at least once), and consistently outnumbered by Hostile Arabs, has much to risk in such an uneven political equation and tactical situation.

If we just examine the timeframe beginning with the UN General Assembly Adoption of the Resolution 181(II), we find that Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) made a solemn pledge 68 years ago (over half a century past) that was made by an Arab Leadership that supported the authors of the Holocaust (the systematic and state-sponsored persecution of six million Jews by the Axis Powers and its collaborators) which said:

13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

• • 
    (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
    
    (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
    
    (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
    
    (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
    
    (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
    
    (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
    
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948

This pledge has gone essential unchanged for more nearly seven decades and is mimicked in Palestinian National Charter (1968), the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (1988), and more recently in a 2013 major position paper, published by Khaled Meshal, Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau (currently hiding out on Doha, Qatar).

Oddly enough, Palestinians in general --- pose a new kind of threat to themselves, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel. The inability of the HoAP to effectively govern has allowed the Islamic State (ISIS/DAESH) (and associated Salafi terrorist groups) to appeared and operate in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. More recently, a group calling itself the "Supporters of the Islamic State in Jerusalem" has turned-up in the Holy City; placing the City itself at risk. ISIS is know to vandalize and destroy locations holding ancient artifacts and antiquities. The ability of the HoAP to secure its own territorial interests from such a threat represents a much greater threat to Palestinian Sovereignty than Israel ever did.

The HoAP must first turnover a new leaf, if it is to get a reaction from the Israelis. The HoAP must demonstrate that the vendetta and feud between the Israeli and Palestinian is over and they must first demonstrate that through actual deeds. That is of course, if they are not first eaten by the Iranians or ISIS.

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.

So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?

We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.

You sound proud of your violence and terrorism to steal the land of the First Nations people. What excuse will you use to justify not giving the land back, seeing as you are nothing but an European invader that colonised by force the land yopu currently squat on.

 

[montelatici]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

If Israel wanted peace, they'd end the occupation and blockade.

(COMMENT)

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

The Israelis, under the threat of violence from the Arab Palestinian since a time before independence, cannot afford to compromise the defense of the nation or the security of the citizens. If Israel makes the first move towards peace and allows the Arab Palestinian to secure a strategic offensive advantage, they might lose all and never be able to regain its sovereignty. The Israelis, having been attacked numerous times by nearly every Arab nation (at least once), and consistently outnumbered by Hostile Arabs, has much to risk in such an uneven political equation and tactical situation.

If we just examine the timeframe beginning with the UN General Assembly Adoption of the Resolution 181(II), we find that Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) made a solemn pledge 68 years ago (over half a century past) that was made by an Arab Leadership that supported the authors of the Holocaust (the systematic and state-sponsored persecution of six million Jews by the Axis Powers and its collaborators) which said:

13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

• • 
    (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
    
    (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
    
    (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
    
    (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
    
    (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
    
    (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
    
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948

This pledge has gone essential unchanged for more nearly seven decades and is mimicked in Palestinian National Charter (1968), the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (1988), and more recently in a 2013 major position paper, published by Khaled Meshal, Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau (currently hiding out on Doha, Qatar).

Oddly enough, Palestinians in general --- pose a new kind of threat to themselves, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel. The inability of the HoAP to effectively govern has allowed the Islamic State (ISIS/DAESH) (and associated Salafi terrorist groups) to appeared and operate in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. More recently, a group calling itself the "Supporters of the Islamic State in Jerusalem" has turned-up in the Holy City; placing the City itself at risk. ISIS is know to vandalize and destroy locations holding ancient artifacts and antiquities. The ability of the HoAP to secure its own territorial interests from such a threat represents a much greater threat to Palestinian Sovereignty than Israel ever did.

The HoAP must first turnover a new leaf, if it is to get a reaction from the Israelis. The HoAP must demonstrate that the vendetta and feud between the Israeli and Palestinian is over and they must first demonstrate that through actual deeds. That is of course, if they are not first eaten by the Iranians or ISIS.

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.

So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?

We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.

You sound proud of your violence and terrorism to steal the land of the First Nations people. What excuse will you use to justify not giving the land back, seeing as you are nothing but an European invader that colonised by force the land yopu currently squat on.

Not proud at all, it was a genocide. Just fact.

 

[montelatici]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

If Israel wanted peace, they'd end the occupation and blockade.

(COMMENT)

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

The Israelis, under the threat of violence from the Arab Palestinian since a time before independence, cannot afford to compromise the defense of the nation or the security of the citizens. If Israel makes the first move towards peace and allows the Arab Palestinian to secure a strategic offensive advantage, they might lose all and never be able to regain its sovereignty. The Israelis, having been attacked numerous times by nearly every Arab nation (at least once), and consistently outnumbered by Hostile Arabs, has much to risk in such an uneven political equation and tactical situation.

If we just examine the timeframe beginning with the UN General Assembly Adoption of the Resolution 181(II), we find that Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) made a solemn pledge 68 years ago (over half a century past) that was made by an Arab Leadership that supported the authors of the Holocaust (the systematic and state-sponsored persecution of six million Jews by the Axis Powers and its collaborators) which said:

13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

• • 
    (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
    
    (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
    
    (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
    
    (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
    
    (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
    
    (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
    
    (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948

This pledge has gone essential unchanged for more nearly seven decades and is mimicked in Palestinian National Charter (1968), the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (1988), and more recently in a 2013 major position paper, published by Khaled Meshal, Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau (currently hiding out on Doha, Qatar).

Oddly enough, Palestinians in general --- pose a new kind of threat to themselves, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel. The inability of the HoAP to effectively govern has allowed the Islamic State (ISIS/DAESH) (and associated Salafi terrorist groups) to appeared and operate in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. More recently, a group calling itself the "Supporters of the Islamic State in Jerusalem" has turned-up in the Holy City; placing the City itself at risk. ISIS is know to vandalize and destroy locations holding ancient artifacts and antiquities. The ability of the HoAP to secure its own territorial interests from such a threat represents a much greater threat to Palestinian Sovereignty than Israel ever did.

The HoAP must first turnover a new leaf, if it is to get a reaction from the Israelis. The HoAP must demonstrate that the vendetta and feud between the Israeli and Palestinian is over and they must first demonstrate that through actual deeds. That is of course, if they are not first eaten by the Iranians or ISIS.

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.

So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?

We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.

Yep! Our native American population is all but gone. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte. Heh Heh!

Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health

Keep it up you little racist wanker. Now you will maintain that the Europeans were welcomed with open arms by the native americans.

Why don't you educate yourself you ignorant little punk.


"Numerous atrocities against Native Americans span the hundreds of years from the first arrival of European explorers to the modern era under a wide range of circumstances. Today there are over 500 Native American tribes in the United States, each with a distinct culture, way of life and history. Even today, Native Americans face large challenges to cope with the disadvantages history has left them and ongoing cases of discrimination.

• 10 million+ Estimated number of Native Americans living in land that is now the United States when European explorers first arrived in the 15th century
• Less than 300,000 Estimated number of Native Americans living in the United States around 1900
• 5.2 million identified as American Indian or Alaska Native in the 2010 census"

Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide

 

[MJB12741]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

(COMMENT)

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

The Israelis, under the threat of violence from the Arab Palestinian since a time before independence, cannot afford to compromise the defense of the nation or the security of the citizens. If Israel makes the first move towards peace and allows the Arab Palestinian to secure a strategic offensive advantage, they might lose all and never be able to regain its sovereignty. The Israelis, having been attacked numerous times by nearly every Arab nation (at least once), and consistently outnumbered by Hostile Arabs, has much to risk in such an uneven political equation and tactical situation.

If we just examine the timeframe beginning with the UN General Assembly Adoption of the Resolution 181(II), we find that Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) made a solemn pledge 68 years ago (over half a century past) that was made by an Arab Leadership that supported the authors of the Holocaust (the systematic and state-sponsored persecution of six million Jews by the Axis Powers and its collaborators) which said:

​

This pledge has gone essential unchanged for more nearly seven decades and is mimicked in Palestinian National Charter (1968), the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (1988), and more recently in a 2013 major position paper, published by Khaled Meshal, Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau (currently hiding out on Doha, Qatar).

Oddly enough, Palestinians in general --- pose a new kind of threat to themselves, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel. The inability of the HoAP to effectively govern has allowed the Islamic State (ISIS/DAESH) (and associated Salafi terrorist groups) to appeared and operate in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. More recently, a group calling itself the "Supporters of the Islamic State in Jerusalem" has turned-up in the Holy City; placing the City itself at risk. ISIS is know to vandalize and destroy locations holding ancient artifacts and antiquities. The ability of the HoAP to secure its own territorial interests from such a threat represents a much greater threat to Palestinian Sovereignty than Israel ever did.

The HoAP must first turnover a new leaf, if it is to get a reaction from the Israelis. The HoAP must demonstrate that the vendetta and feud between the Israeli and Palestinian is over and they must first demonstrate that through actual deeds. That is of course, if they are not first eaten by the Iranians or ISIS.

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.

So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?

We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.

Yep! Our native American population is all but gone. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte. Heh Heh!

Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health

Keep it up you little racist wanker. Now you will maintain that the Europeans were welcomed with open arms by the native americans.

Why don't you educate yourself you ignorant little punk.


"Numerous atrocities against Native Americans span the hundreds of years from the first arrival of European explorers to the modern era under a wide range of circumstances. Today there are over 500 Native American tribes in the United States, each with a distinct culture, way of life and history. Even today, Native Americans face large challenges to cope with the disadvantages history has left them and ongoing cases of discrimination.

• 10 million+ Estimated number of Native Americans living in land that is now the United States when European explorers first arrived in the 15th century
• Less than 300,000 Estimated number of Native Americans living in the United States around 1900
• 5.2 million identified as American Indian or Alaska Native in the 2010 census"

Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide

How many times will you prove to us you are a moron? No one in their right mind denies horrible attrocites committed upon our native Americans by white colonial settlers. However it is YOU who stated that "our native American population is all but gone." So once again I will take the time to educate you by bringing you up to date on our native American population. And I wish you good luck with your reading disorder.

Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health

 

[CMike]

Israel has always wanted peace, but it will not sacrifice it's security

It not sacrifice it's survival.

 

[montelatici]

Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.

So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?

We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.

Yep! Our native American population is all but gone. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte. Heh Heh!

Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health

Keep it up you little racist wanker. Now you will maintain that the Europeans were welcomed with open arms by the native americans.

Why don't you educate yourself you ignorant little punk.


"Numerous atrocities against Native Americans span the hundreds of years from the first arrival of European explorers to the modern era under a wide range of circumstances. Today there are over 500 Native American tribes in the United States, each with a distinct culture, way of life and history. Even today, Native Americans face large challenges to cope with the disadvantages history has left them and ongoing cases of discrimination.

• 10 million+ Estimated number of Native Americans living in land that is now the United States when European explorers first arrived in the 15th century
• Less than 300,000 Estimated number of Native Americans living in the United States around 1900
• 5.2 million identified as American Indian or Alaska Native in the 2010 census"

Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide

How many times will you prove to us you are a moron? No one in their right mind denies horrible attrocites committed upon our native Americans by white colonial settlers. However it is YOU who stated that "our native American population is all but gone." So once again I will take the time to educate you by bringing you up to date on our native American population. And I wish you good luck with your reading disorder.

Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health

The Native American population and its culture was destroyed, replaced by Europeans. Any bullshit you post is just bullshit. The fact that we have managed to prevent their extinction by putting them in reservations does not change the fact you racist punk.

The problem for you and your Israeli friends is that there are just too many non-Jews in and around Israel for the Jews to be able to eliminate the Christians and Muslims of Palestine in the same way.

 

[toastman]

Billo_Really, et al,

This is the age old question as to which came first: The "Chicken" or the "Egg?"

(COMMENT)

The question as to which side bends first and compromises is a paradox.

The Israelis, under the threat of violence from the Arab Palestinian since a time before independence, cannot afford to compromise the defense of the nation or the security of the citizens. If Israel makes the first move towards peace and allows the Arab Palestinian to secure a strategic offensive advantage, they might lose all and never be able to regain its sovereignty. The Israelis, having been attacked numerous times by nearly every Arab nation (at least once), and consistently outnumbered by Hostile Arabs, has much to risk in such an uneven political equation and tactical situation.

If we just examine the timeframe beginning with the UN General Assembly Adoption of the Resolution 181(II), we find that Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) made a solemn pledge 68 years ago (over half a century past) that was made by an Arab Leadership that supported the authors of the Holocaust (the systematic and state-sponsored persecution of six million Jews by the Axis Powers and its collaborators) which said:

​

This pledge has gone essential unchanged for more nearly seven decades and is mimicked in Palestinian National Charter (1968), the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (1988), and more recently in a 2013 major position paper, published by Khaled Meshal, Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau (currently hiding out on Doha, Qatar).

Oddly enough, Palestinians in general --- pose a new kind of threat to themselves, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel. The inability of the HoAP to effectively govern has allowed the Islamic State (ISIS/DAESH) (and associated Salafi terrorist groups) to appeared and operate in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. More recently, a group calling itself the "Supporters of the Islamic State in Jerusalem" has turned-up in the Holy City; placing the City itself at risk. ISIS is know to vandalize and destroy locations holding ancient artifacts and antiquities. The ability of the HoAP to secure its own territorial interests from such a threat represents a much greater threat to Palestinian Sovereignty than Israel ever did.

The HoAP must first turnover a new leaf, if it is to get a reaction from the Israelis. The HoAP must demonstrate that the vendetta and feud between the Israeli and Palestinian is over and they must first demonstrate that through actual deeds. That is of course, if they are not first eaten by the Iranians or ISIS.

Most Respectfully,
R

Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.

So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?

We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.

Yep! Our native American population is all but gone. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte. Heh Heh!

Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health

Keep it up you little racist wanker. Now you will maintain that the Europeans were welcomed with open arms by the native americans.

Why don't you educate yourself you ignorant little punk.


"Numerous atrocities against Native Americans span the hundreds of years from the first arrival of European explorers to the modern era under a wide range of circumstances. Today there are over 500 Native American tribes in the United States, each with a distinct culture, way of life and history. Even today, Native Americans face large challenges to cope with the disadvantages history has left them and ongoing cases of discrimination.

• 10 million+ Estimated number of Native Americans living in land that is now the United States when European explorers first arrived in the 15th century
• Less than 300,000 Estimated number of Native Americans living in the United States around 1900
• 5.2 million identified as American Indian or Alaska Native in the 2010 census"

Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide

What did he say that was racist you demented moron? You all everyone a racist for the dumbest reasons.

 

[toastman]

Well, that is the hope of all colonizers, that the dispossession of, and the crimes against the indigenous people will be forgiven and that they will be able to enjoy their ill gotten gains without interference. This hardly ever happens. If the indigenous people are not completely, or nearly completely eliminated in terms of culture and population, they will fight on. Even where it may have appeared that the indigenous people had been culturally eliminated, they have risen to repossess their lands. Ecuador and Bolivia are examples.

So what will you do when the indigenous of America start killing innocents to reclaim all their land ?

We were able to destroy their culture and eliminate most of the Native Americans in what is now the U.S.A.

Yep! Our native American population is all but gone. Amazing what we can learn here from Monte. Heh Heh!

Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health

Keep it up you little racist wanker. Now you will maintain that the Europeans were welcomed with open arms by the native americans.

Why don't you educate yourself you ignorant little punk.


"Numerous atrocities against Native Americans span the hundreds of years from the first arrival of European explorers to the modern era under a wide range of circumstances. Today there are over 500 Native American tribes in the United States, each with a distinct culture, way of life and history. Even today, Native Americans face large challenges to cope with the disadvantages history has left them and ongoing cases of discrimination.

• 10 million+ Estimated number of Native Americans living in land that is now the United States when European explorers first arrived in the 15th century
• Less than 300,000 Estimated number of Native Americans living in the United States around 1900
• 5.2 million identified as American Indian or Alaska Native in the 2010 census"

Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide

How many times will you prove to us you are a moron? No one in their right mind denies horrible attrocites committed upon our native Americans by white colonial settlers. However it is YOU who stated that "our native American population is all but gone." So once again I will take the time to educate you by bringing you up to date on our native American population. And I wish you good luck with your reading disorder.

Changing Numbers Changing Needs American Indian Demography and Public Health

"How many times will you prove to us you are a moron?"

Every single day.