Israel-Jordan and the Palestinians.

[Daniyel]

Hello,

I Was thinking to post an update about Abbas promoting the deadline ultimatum with Jordan for Israel to withdraw from the West Bank, thanks again to waltky (You can find that in a thread called Abbas 'Diplomatic Surprise')
Abbas proposes gradual Israeli withdrawal from Jordan Valley Al Akhbar English

Now that King Hussein passed - there is a new wind blowing in Jordan calling for breaking the treaty with Israel.
Israel Jordan peace treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Sadly its become quite popular and a 20 years of peace can bring us both to another escalation, despite the political attempts to mend the relationship -
Jordanian PM refuses to withdraw ambassador in Israel
Netanyahu to meet Jordan king again for Temple Mount talks The Times of Israel

 

[Penelope]

Your blaming Jordan for that, your the ones who are trying to take control of the temple mount, and also you mean you can't pull out of the West Bank in 3 years.
Your delusional. Yes King Hussein was good, but Israel backstabbed him over the years haven't you? I will start another post of the Samu incident but I suggest people read about it. An agreement means nothing to Israel. Look how they treat the US.

Hebron Agreement[edit]
Main article: Hebron Agreement
Hussein was often involved in negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians. His 11th-hour intervention in January 1997 is said to have brought Palestinian chairman Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to an agreement on the long-awaited withdrawal of Israeli troops from most of the West Bank town of Hebron.

President Bill Clinton pressured Hussein to start peace negotiations and to sign a peace treaty with Israel and promised him that Jordan's debts would be forgiven. The efforts succeeded and Jordan signed a nonbelligerency agreement with Israel. Rabin, Hussein and Clinton signed the Washington Declaration in Washington, DC, on 25 July 1994

then
Khaled Meshaal assassination attempt[edit]
On 27 September 1997, the treaty was thrown into jeopardy when two Mossad agents attempted to poison Khaled Meshaal, who was at the time living in Jordan. Condemning the attack as a violation of Jordanian sovereignty, King Hussein threatened to void the treaty if Meshaal died. Jordanian doctors determined and administered the proper antidote in time, just as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu bowed to international pressure and ordered Mossad to hand it over. Meshaal recovered, and relations between Jordan and Israel thawed.[14]

"I am saying that clearly: whoever proposes 10 or 15 years for a transition period does not want to withdraw," Abbas said. "We say that a transitional period not exceed three years, during which Israel can withdraw gradually."

Abbas has spoken in general terms in past meetings with journalists of a phased pullout from the West Bank after a final land-for-peace accord, similar to Israel's three-year withdrawal from Sinai after it signed a peace treaty with Egypt in 1979.
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussein_of_Jordan

 

[Phoenall]

Your blaming Jordan for that, your the ones who are trying to take control of the temple mount, and also you mean you can't pull out of the West Bank in 3 years.
Your delusional. Yes King Hussein was good, but Israel backstabbed him over the years haven't you? I will start another post of the Samu incident but I suggest people read about it. An agreement means nothing to Israel. Look how they treat the US.

Hebron Agreement[edit]
Main article: Hebron Agreement
Hussein was often involved in negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians. His 11th-hour intervention in January 1997 is said to have brought Palestinian chairman Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to an agreement on the long-awaited withdrawal of Israeli troops from most of the West Bank town of Hebron.

President Bill Clinton pressured Hussein to start peace negotiations and to sign a peace treaty with Israel and promised him that Jordan's debts would be forgiven. The efforts succeeded and Jordan signed a nonbelligerency agreement with Israel. Rabin, Hussein and Clinton signed the Washington Declaration in Washington, DC, on 25 July 1994

then
Khaled Meshaal assassination attempt[edit]
On 27 September 1997, the treaty was thrown into jeopardy when two Mossad agents attempted to poison Khaled Meshaal, who was at the time living in Jordan. Condemning the attack as a violation of Jordanian sovereignty, King Hussein threatened to void the treaty if Meshaal died. Jordanian doctors determined and administered the proper antidote in time, just as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu bowed to international pressure and ordered Mossad to hand it over. Meshaal recovered, and relations between Jordan and Israel thawed.[14]

"I am saying that clearly: whoever proposes 10 or 15 years for a transition period does not want to withdraw," Abbas said. "We say that a transitional period not exceed three years, during which Israel can withdraw gradually."

Abbas has spoken in general terms in past meetings with journalists of a phased pullout from the West Bank after a final land-for-peace accord, similar to Israel's three-year withdrawal from Sinai after it signed a peace treaty with Egypt in 1979.
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussein_of_Jordan

Read the UN resolutions and the Geneva conventions and you will see that the Palestinians have to stop all acts of belligerence, violence and terrorism before Israel has to leave the west bank.

 

[Daniyel]

That is some dumbass post you made there Penelope and I'm not in a mood to explain to you why, but you can start asking yourself which Jordanian was killed by Israel over the past 20 years, good luck with the conclusions.

 

[Penelope]

Your blaming Jordan for that, your the ones who are trying to take control of the temple mount, and also you mean you can't pull out of the West Bank in 3 years.
Your delusional. Yes King Hussein was good, but Israel backstabbed him over the years haven't you? I will start another post of the Samu incident but I suggest people read about it. An agreement means nothing to Israel. Look how they treat the US.

Hebron Agreement[edit]
Main article: Hebron Agreement
Hussein was often involved in negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians. His 11th-hour intervention in January 1997 is said to have brought Palestinian chairman Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to an agreement on the long-awaited withdrawal of Israeli troops from most of the West Bank town of Hebron.

President Bill Clinton pressured Hussein to start peace negotiations and to sign a peace treaty with Israel and promised him that Jordan's debts would be forgiven. The efforts succeeded and Jordan signed a nonbelligerency agreement with Israel. Rabin, Hussein and Clinton signed the Washington Declaration in Washington, DC, on 25 July 1994

then
Khaled Meshaal assassination attempt[edit]
On 27 September 1997, the treaty was thrown into jeopardy when two Mossad agents attempted to poison Khaled Meshaal, who was at the time living in Jordan. Condemning the attack as a violation of Jordanian sovereignty, King Hussein threatened to void the treaty if Meshaal died. Jordanian doctors determined and administered the proper antidote in time, just as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu bowed to international pressure and ordered Mossad to hand it over. Meshaal recovered, and relations between Jordan and Israel thawed.[14]

"I am saying that clearly: whoever proposes 10 or 15 years for a transition period does not want to withdraw," Abbas said. "We say that a transitional period not exceed three years, during which Israel can withdraw gradually."

Abbas has spoken in general terms in past meetings with journalists of a phased pullout from the West Bank after a final land-for-peace accord, similar to Israel's three-year withdrawal from Sinai after it signed a peace treaty with Egypt in 1979.
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussein_of_Jordan

Read the UN resolutions and the Geneva conventions and you will see that the Palestinians have to stop all acts of belligerence, violence and terrorism before Israel has to leave the west bank.

No wonder Israel has been doing all it can to incite rebellion among the Pals.
The are instigators and that is how they operate. They create their opportunities, something like a female praying mantis, entice and devour.

 

[Penelope]

That is some dumbass post you made there Penelope and I'm not in a mood to explain to you why, but you can start asking yourself which Jordanian was killed by Israel over the past 20 years, good luck with the conclusions.

Your encroaching on the freedom of the Pals worship at the temple mount and trying to take it over, and you know dam well that Jordan is not going to like it.
Jordan is dependent on Israel for water is it not? or is it yet, I would have to read the deal made over that. Has that desaltation plant been built yet?

 

[Daniyel]

That is some dumbass post you made there Penelope and I'm not in a mood to explain to you why, but you can start asking yourself which Jordanian was killed by Israel over the past 20 years, good luck with the conclusions.

Your encroaching on the freedom of the Pals worship at the temple mount and trying to take it over, and you know dam well that Jordan is not going to like it.
Jordan is dependent on Israel for water is it not? or is it yet, I would have to read the deal made over that. Has that desaltation plant been built yet?

Its mutual dependent, and the same goes for the Temple Mount, you missed the part where Israel said nothing will change in the status quo, and the bottom line to that at this very moment - its all the same as before - discriminating Jews.
So let me ask you again, what Palestinian Israel killed in the past 20 years? oh wait I meant Jordanian..well the funny thing is that they easily forget what the Palestinians did to them with their incitements, but lets not rush forward, have you watched the video?

 

[Penelope]

Yes I did. You know things have change since the peace treaty hasn't it, different people are involved now.

The Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty, signed at Wadi Araba in 1994, dictates the amount of water to which each nation is entitled. As the two countries share the Jordan River, one of Jordan's main water resources, one of the articles of the treaty indicates how much water each country can draw from it.

Jordanian authorities said their country receives much less water than Israel. According to the historic agreement, Jordan gets around 35 million cubic metres, which is equivalent to 3 percent of the total amount of streaming water. Israel gets the other 97 percent. Figures from the Ministry of Water and Irrigation in each country show the water consumption of one Israeli citizen to be equal to that of five Jordanians.
IRIN Middle East JORDAN Water shortage remains a constant headache Jordan Environment

So what agreement was made concerning the water, 50/50 or 97/3%?

 

[Daniyel]

Yes I did. You know things have change since the peace treaty hasn't it, different people are involved now.

The Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty, signed at Wadi Araba in 1994, dictates the amount of water to which each nation is entitled. As the two countries share the Jordan River, one of Jordan's main water resources, one of the articles of the treaty indicates how much water each country can draw from it.

Jordanian authorities said their country receives much less water than Israel. According to the historic agreement, Jordan gets around 35 million cubic metres, which is equivalent to 3 percent of the total amount of streaming water. Israel gets the other 97 percent. Figures from the Ministry of Water and Irrigation in each country show the water consumption of one Israeli citizen to be equal to that of five Jordanians.
IRIN Middle East JORDAN Water shortage remains a constant headache Jordan Environment

So what agreement was made concerning the water, 50/50 or 97/3%?

Slow down with the water, we will get to it later.
First we both agreed theirs different people now although the water issue is definitely not mentioned in the video, lets start with the very first accusation - Israel is killing their people - by that we assume Jordanian? -

 

[Penelope]

A large %age of Jordanians are Palestinian, which you know.

 

[Daniyel]

A large %age of Jordanians are Palestinian, which you know.

The entire region is filled with 'Palestinians', a very small and scattered people living in Jordan are actually Palestinians - Muslim/Christian Arabs and they're living in refugee camps for decades, they don't posses Jordanian ID/Rights, the rest killed by Jordan in Black September.
The only difference is the tribe/clan which can even be considered a race, the Jordanians are Heshmites, the Israelis Jews(Semites), the Gazans Copts (Egyptians) the WB Palestinians mixed between Jordanians origin and nomad Arabs (Bedouins)
Does it mean the Palestinians of the WB are actually Jordanians thrown out of Jordan? otherwise I can't find a way to understand the relation to what people Israel is killing when he said "OUR" people, and therefore it is Jordan responsibility to give them rights and papers, and one problem is solved.
Agree?

 

[Penelope]

Well perhaps they are edomites (very close relatives of yours) , and most of the Palestinians and Jordanians all belong to the same tribe as King Herod, be they Jews, Muslims and Christians. Palestinians are not a race but people who live in Palestine. Jordan's name came from the Jordan River. There would of never been a black Sept if the Palestinians hadn't need to run for their life's. Gee the Palestinians in Jordan did what you did to them, invaded or should I say they took refuge in another country, and after awhile they tried to take over the gov, you know the way AIPAC has done it here.

I guess those Palestinians just fell right from the sky as they seem to have no right to live anywhere , right? When you look at it they have quite bit in common with yous, don't you think , except most of them have been brought up in the faith of Islam.

 

[Daniyel]

Pointless debate indeed.

 

[Penelope]

Pointless debate indeed.

You want a double standard Daniyel. Your proud of what you did to the Pals last summer and felt they deserved it, you think taking their land and building your homes on it is fine, and you think you have rights to the temple mount, and then you ***** when they complain and say they hate you. What do you expect?
Them to bow down and worship you? (I can see you shaking your head up and down).

 

[Daniyel]

Pointless debate indeed.

You want a double standard Daniyel. Your proud of what you did to the Pals last summer and felt they deserved it, you think taking their land and building your homes on it is fine, and you think you have rights to the temple mount, and then you ***** when they complain and say they hate you. What do you expect?
Them to bow down and worship you? (I can see you shaking your head up and down).

So now this is personal?
I don't give a damn about you, patronizing racist F I L T H.

 

[Penelope]

Like I said, what do you expect. The day is come and gone when yous can get away with everything like you use to, now the world can see what is going on and get both sides of the story, which there is always two sides. Memri Tv loves to post this stuff as well. I can only imagine what is said in the Israel gov. we never hear about.

 

[teddyearp]

Pointless debate indeed.

Daniyel, it is very pointless indeed to try to debate with 'Loopy' (Penelope). All she does is quickly change the subject, deny, deflect, detract and then at the end barf all over the thread with the lies that she regurgitates in every single thread that she participates in. She has less of a command on the English language than you do (no offense to you as she should) and even less of a command on simple logic.

For the most part the best reply to 'Loopy' would be something along these lines:

or or my favorite:

 

[teddyearp]

What happened to the video?

 

[Daniyel]

What happened to the video?

Just few days ago someone had enough of MEMRI so they filled a complaint to YouTube and unfortunately YouTube shut down MEMRI's channel.
Anyway here is another interesting videos to get a small picture about Jordan, and the situation.
In the past?



Today?

 

[TemplarKormac]

The are instigators and that is how they operate. They create their opportunities, something like a female praying mantis, entice and devour.

LOL.

Speak for youself, Penny.