(Israel) Exploding Pagers In Lebanon! Is This Terrorism? | Candace Ep 67

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Important for people to take a step back and breathe in this topic. I recognize the arguments from both sides in this debate. Israel like any country including Lebanon has a right to defend itself.

Thing is who can recall anything like this happening before in history. And the precedent it sets around the world. Here’s the thing if Israel can do this frankly anybody can. What can this lead to? what if somebody targets iPhone users in America or anywhere in the world.?

And looking at the type of attack, Israel carried out. When you explode thousands of pages at once it can be viewed as a terrorist action because kids can get killed from that kind of stuff. And a few kids did die and more got injured by this Israeli operation

Also Lebanon is a country that is half Christian. Israel can’t play the whole Muslim card on this game. If they think of invading Lebanon btw , they’re going to be fighting a lot of Christians…. They need to think about the optics of this one.

 

[Oddball]

Important for people to take a step back and breathe in this topic. I recognize the arguments from both sides in this debate. Israel like any country including Lebanon has a right to defend itself.

Thing is who can recall anything like this happening before in history. And the precedent it sets around the world. Here’s the thing if Israel can do this frankly anybody can. What can this lead to? what if somebody targets iPhone users in America or anywhere in the world.?

And looking at the type of attack, Israel carried out. When you explode thousands of pages at once it can be viewed as a terrorist action because kids can get killed from that kind of stuff. And a few kids did die and more got injured by this Israeli operation

Also Lebanon is a country that is half Christian. Israel can’t play the whole Muslim card on this game. If they think of invading Lebanon btw , they’re going to be fighting a lot of Christians…. They need to think about the optics of this one.

Kids get killed being used as human shields by jihadist barbarians.


You don't want young lives tragically cut short, end the wars.

 

[TNHarley]

James bond shit. Hez fucked around and found out

 

[Lisa558]

Kids get killed being used as human shields by jihadist barbarians.


You don't want young lives tragically cut short, end the wars.

Or don’t start them. There was a cease-fire in effect on Oct 7 when the Muslim terrorists decided to find Jewish babies to decapitate, Jewish women to rape to death, and toddlers to set alive - or kidnap, and then Gd knows what the savages did.

But the ignorant or antisemitic will revert to the “both sides” nonsense every time.

 

[Lisa558]

James bond shit. Hez fucked around and found out

 

[Dogmaphobe]

No, this is not terrorism. This is the targeted attack on enemy combatants.

Terrorism, as defined, involves attacking random, innocent people. These foul things were neither.

 

[White 6]

Important for people to take a step back and breathe in this topic. I recognize the arguments from both sides in this debate. Israel like any country including Lebanon has a right to defend itself.

Thing is who can recall anything like this happening before in history. And the precedent it sets around the world. Here’s the thing if Israel can do this frankly anybody can. What can this lead to? what if somebody targets iPhone users in America or anywhere in the world.?

And looking at the type of attack, Israel carried out. When you explode thousands of pages at once it can be viewed as a terrorist action because kids can get killed from that kind of stuff. And a few kids did die and more got injured by this Israeli operation

Also Lebanon is a country that is half Christian. Israel can’t play the whole Muslim card on this game. If they think of invading Lebanon btw , they’re going to be fighting a lot of Christians…. They need to think about the optics of this one.

No. Not an optic thing in a tactical situation. If Israel did it, it is a tactical deployment, targeting Hezbollah Militia (a terroist organization funded and command by the Lebanese government) members and hierarchy, not civilian populations, simply because terrorist groups of the conflict choose to hide in civilian population centers, often dressed as civilians. The tactic is three-fold (if Israel pulled it off), taking Hezbollah Militia members out of action (mostly temporarily as most injuries are have not been fatal), while Disrupting Hezbollah communications networks used for command and control (indeed some pagers were triggered by a pager message supposedly from Hezbollah command structure), making members not trust using provided communications devices. At the same time, I have seen (what I view as a propaganda effort, though possibly not) suggesting someone put a code into the network, targeting battery power management, triggering fires and explosion of the lithium battery powering the devises. Overall, a very effective, tactically targeted action. Perhaps Lebanon should have stayed on the sidelines, not supporting the destruction of Israel and the Israeli people.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

No. Not an optic thing in a tactical situation. If Israel did it, it is a tactical deployment, targeting Hezbollah Militia (a terroist organization funded and command by the Lebanese government) members and hierarchy, not civilian populations, simply because terrorist groups of the conflict choose to hide in civilian population centers, often dressed as civilians. The tactic is three-fold (if Israel pulled it off), taking Hezbollah Militia members out of action (mostly temporarily as most injuries are have not been fatal), while Disrupting Hezbollah communications networks used for command and control (indeed some pagers were triggered by a pager message supposedly from Hezbollah command structure), making members not trust using provided communications devices. At the same time, I have seen (what I view as a propaganda effort, though possibly not) suggesting someone put a code into the network, targeting battery power management, triggering fires and explosion of the lithium battery powering the devises. Overall, a very effective, tactically targeted action. Perhaps Lebanon should have stayed on the sidelines, not supporting the destruction of Israel and the Israeli people.

No matter what you’re gonna say, brother such an operation is going to put at risk children who might be handling those pages or playing with them. And it sets for a new precedent for the world in terms of how a country or army conducts itself. Come on man the mossad pulled off this operation. Even people in Israel are pointing to that.

By the way, when you use this word “terrorist”. Obviously this is a politically loaded word. I try not to use the word. But it exists and frankly, you know it I know it if you’re gonna use that word then you have to admit that Zionists used terrorism against the British before 1948 and against Arabs in pursuit of creating Israel. So this “terrorist” thing goes both ways in the history of these Israel Palestine conflicts.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

No. Not an optic thing in a tactical situation. If Israel did it, it is a tactical deployment, targeting Hezbollah Militia (a terroist organization funded and command by the Lebanese government) members and hierarchy, not civilian populations, simply because terrorist groups of the conflict choose to hide in civilian population centers, often dressed as civilians. The tactic is three-fold (if Israel pulled it off), taking Hezbollah Militia members out of action (mostly temporarily as most injuries are have not been fatal), while Disrupting Hezbollah communications networks used for command and control (indeed some pagers were triggered by a pager message supposedly from Hezbollah command structure), making members not trust using provided communications devices. At the same time, I have seen (what I view as a propaganda effort, though possibly not) suggesting someone put a code into the network, targeting battery power management, triggering fires and explosion of the lithium battery powering the devises. Overall, a very effective, tactically targeted action. Perhaps Lebanon should have stayed on the sidelines, not supporting the destruction of Israel and the Israeli people.

What do you think the fact that Lebanon is almost half Christian and how it ties into this situation…. Israel has an optics problem here. They cannot play that dumb Muslim card, which they shouldn’t play anyways when they do with Palestine or some of the other countries. They can’t do that with Lebanon there’s tons of fellow Christians in Lebanon.

There was an Israeli spokesperson who was saying that unlike Hamas ..Hezbollah does not hide by civilians. This guy is a major Israel supporter. He was on Pierce Morgan.



But to his point, even with that precision operation by Israel in Lebanon kids got hurt and even killed.

We need to address this idea of American exceptionalism by the way. I think sometimes we view these foreign events as like a video game. What happened in Lebanon is very serious and could lead to a regional war.

Think about the precedent of this operation by the mossad . This has nothing to do with taking sides in the Israel Palestine conflict with regard to this point. Imagine for a moment how we the American people would react if thousands of pagers , cell phones or laptop devices exploded simultaneously across the country killing or wounding innocent bystandards. How would we as a country react to it? I bet you right now that a lot of us would want to go to war. What do you think that the people Lebanon feel about this?

 

[Oddball]

And it sets for a new precedent for the world in terms of how a country or army conducts itself. Come on man the mossad pulled off this operation. Even people in Israel are pointing to that.

You mean like the firebombing of Dresden, which had no military or strategic value whatsoever?

Or maybe you mean the vicious and merciless attack on unarmed concert attendees, and rape and murder of noncombatant Jewish families?

Israel is dealing with fucking barbarians, who don't look upon civilians and children as noncombatants.

 

[mudwhistle]

No. Not an optic thing in a tactical situation. If Israel did it, it is a tactical deployment, targeting Hezbollah Militia (a terroist organization funded and command by the Lebanese government) members and hierarchy, not civilian populations, simply because terrorist groups of the conflict choose to hide in civilian population centers, often dressed as civilians. The tactic is three-fold (if Israel pulled it off), taking Hezbollah Militia members out of action (mostly temporarily as most injuries are have not been fatal), while Disrupting Hezbollah communications networks used for command and control (indeed some pagers were triggered by a pager message supposedly from Hezbollah command structure), making members not trust using provided communications devices. At the same time, I have seen (what I view as a propaganda effort, though possibly not) suggesting someone put a code into the network, targeting battery power management, triggering fires and explosion of the lithium battery powering the devises. Overall, a very effective, tactically targeted action. Perhaps Lebanon should have stayed on the sidelines, not supporting the destruction of Israel and the Israeli people.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

You mean like the firebombing of Dresden, which had no military or strategic value whatsoever?

Or maybe you mean the vicious and merciless attack on unarmed concert attendees, and rape and murder of noncombatant Jewish families?

Israel is dealing with fucking barbarians, who don't look upon civilians and children as noncombatants.

The Dresden situation was controversial, but in the scope of World War II probably a different scenario. But I understand it was very controversial. Candace Owens did a very interesting segment on it, Tucker Carlson recently had a historian talk about the dark side of Winston Churchill, and it was all very interesting. I still appreciate the effort of the allies of World War II altogether. Obviously in that war, there were some individual dark moments.

To your point about October 7 even conservatives like Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk have pointed out that there’s a big problem with that narrative by the Israeli government . How in the most monitored country in the world was that attack even allowed to happen in the first place? Even people from Israel have brought that up. And there are numerous sources saying that there was no sexual assault and that a lot of the casualties on October 7 were by friendly fire.


Hamas members can be monsters. I know that. I’ve listened to their ideology and it’s a disgrace. But I know this much there are Palestinian Christians throughout history who have opposed the Israeli expansion into the West Bank. And there are millions of Christians in Lebanon, who are very upset with Israel attacking their country recently. these Christians are wonderful people. They’re my fellow brothers and sisters in Jesus. They’re the farthest thing from barbarians.

 

[Oddball]

The Dresden situation was controversial, but in the scope of World War II probably a different scenario. But I understand it was very controversial. Candace Owens did a very interesting segment on it, Tucker Carlson recently had a historian talk about the dark side of Winston Churchill, and it was all very interesting. I still appreciate the effort of the allies of World War II altogether. Obviously in that war, there were some individual dark moments.

To your point about October 7 even conservatives like Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk have pointed out that there’s a big problem with that narrative by the Israeli government . How in the most monitored country in the world was that attack even allowed to happen in the first place? Even people from Israel have brought that up. And there are numerous sources saying that there was no sexual assault and that a lot of the casualties on October 7 were by friendly fire.


Hamas members can be monsters. I know that. I’ve listened to their ideology and it’s a disgrace. But I know this much there are Palestinian Christians throughout history who have opposed the Israeli expansion into the West Bank. And there are millions of Christians in Lebanon, who are very upset with Israel attacking their country recently. these Christians are wonderful people. They’re my fellow brothers and sisters in Jesus. They’re the farthest thing from barbarians.

Yes, there's a massive discrepancy in the narrative given by the Israeli gubmint....What else is new?

Even so, the main point still stands: they're fighting with barbarians who don't make a distinction between civilians, children, and actual armed combatants...Wringing one's hands over children getting killed amongst fiends like that is foolhardy, IMO.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The Dresden situation was controversial, but in the scope of World War II probably a different scenario. But I understand it was very controversial.

To your point about October 7 even conservatives like Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk have pointed out that there’s a big problem with that narrative. How in the most monitored country in the world was that attack even allowed to happen in the first place. Even people from Israel have brought that up.


Hamas members can be monsters. I know that. I’ve listened to the ideology and it’s a disgrace. But I know this much there are Palestinian Christians throughout history who have opposed the Israeli expansion into the West Bank. And there are millions of Christians in Lebanon, who are very upset with Israel attacking their country recently. these Christians are wonderful people. They’re my fellow brothers and sisters in Jesus. They’re the farthest thing from barbarians.

You're right to bring up Christians.

It's little known that in 1948 many Palestinian villages that were subjected to ethnic cleansing by the Zionists were Christian villages, and had been since the earliest days of Christianity.

The Zionists even defied their own courts and evicted people and destroyed the village on Christmas day, to add insult to injury; they eeven forced the mayor of the village to watch as the buildings were blown up.

These are amongst the oldest remnants of early Christianity, the Zionists have nothing but contempt for others.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes, there's a massive discrepancy in the narrative given by the Israeli gubmint....What else is new?

Even so, the main point still stands: they're fighting with barbarians who don't make a distinction between civilians, children, and actual armed combatants...Wringing one's hands over children getting killed amongst fiends like that is foolhardy, IMO.

You seem unaware of the Hannibal directive.

 

[Oddball]

You seem unaware of the Hannibal directive.

I couldn't care less about any directives, when you're dealing with sub-human scum....They don't play by any rules, so fuckem.

 

[White 6]

No matter what you’re gonna say, brother such an operation is going to put at risk children who might be handling those pages or playing with them. And it sets for a new precedent for the world in terms of how a country or army conducts itself. Come on man the mossad pulled off this operation. Even people in Israel are pointing to that.

By the way, when you use this word “terrorist”. Obviously this is a politically loaded word. I try not to use the word. But it exists and frankly, you know it I know it if you’re gonna use that word then you have to admit that Zionists used terrorism against the British before 1948 and against Arabs in pursuit of creating Israel. So this “terrorist” thing goes both ways in the history of these Israel Palestine conflicts.

No matter what you say, brother, Lebanese support of the terrorist Hezbollah Militia puts children at risk, if the targeted Hezbollah are going to travel where children are and use government supplied communications devices. If they gave a damn about the children, they would not use the supplied communications devices near them, at least until they have been turned in and checked. Heck, Hezbollah, should not be in the terrorist business to begin with, as it is universally illegal, making their operative individually target worthy, as has been seen by this targeted attack by somebody.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I couldn't care less about any directives, when you're dealing with sub-human scum....They don't play by any rules, so fuckem.

So you didn't know that many Jews who died on Oct 7th were killed by the IDF not Hamas?

 

[Oddball]

So you didn't know that many Jews who died on Oct 7th were killed by the IDF not Hamas?

Did I say that the sub-human scum were only on one side?

I don't care about any of them, TBH.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The Dresden situation was controversial, but in the scope of World War II probably a different scenario. But I understand it was very controversial. Candace Owens did a very interesting segment on it, Tucker Carlson recently had a historian talk about the dark side of Winston Churchill, and it was all very interesting. I still appreciate the effort of the allies of World War II altogether. Obviously in that war, there were some individual dark moments.

To your point about October 7 even conservatives like Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk have pointed out that there’s a big problem with that narrative by the Israeli government . How in the most monitored country in the world was that attack even allowed to happen in the first place? Even people from Israel have brought that up. And there are numerous sources saying that there was no sexual assault and that a lot of the casualties on October 7 were by friendly fire.


Hamas members can be monsters. I know that. I’ve listened to their ideology and it’s a disgrace. But I know this much there are Palestinian Christians throughout history who have opposed the Israeli expansion into the West Bank. And there are millions of Christians in Lebanon, who are very upset with Israel attacking their country recently. these Christians are wonderful people. They’re my fellow brothers and sisters in Jesus. They’re the farthest thing from barbarians.

The actual fact of the matter is that Lebanon was created as a Christian country and had a Christian majority. Through Muslim breeding, influx of Muslims from elsewhere and persecution of Christians, the Muslim population now dominates. There is no love lost between the Christian Maronite community and Hezbollah.