Israel Destroys Peace...

[Phoenall]

Like I said, in the case Israel would be attacked, they should defend themselves without help of the US. They can easily beat Jordania and Palestina (the only countries that attack Israel).

Can you tell us when the US has helped Israel when it's been attacked? With the exception of the Patriot missiles we gave Israel when Saddam sent Scuds to Israel. Even then the US only used missile crews to train the IDF crews and then removed them. Doesn't your little brain realize that Israel is our ally? You have no beef whatsoever except for your Jew-hate. Now move along.

Jew-hate? I am talking about Israel, not particularly Jews. I'm just saying that Israel should fix it's own problems.

They try to but the ISLAMONAZO UN SC wont let them and impose illegal restrictions on their retaliations. Not one resolution against the use of chemical/biological weapons by hamas, not one resolution against the rockets targeting children. Not one resolution against the LIES OF PALLYWOOD that are in breach of other UN resolutions, not one resolution against the BLOOD LIBELS that are also in breach of other UN resolutions. But let Israel reply to a hundred rockets fired into Israel and the ISLAMONAZO UN SC goes into overdrive and produces reams of resolutions condemning the "Zionists" for "attacking" the Palestinian people.

Then people like you appear who don't have a clue about the reality of the conflict.

 

[Phoenall]

Jew-hate? I am talking about Israel, not particularly Jews. I'm just saying that Israel should fix it's own problems.

Israel does solve their problems and they are our allys. Does that fact harelip you?

Israel doesn't solve it's problem themselves. Without the US, Israel would have been defeated 30 years ago already.

WHO BY as the Israelis have shown they can go it alone.
Were was America in 1948 when 5 arab armies invaded Israel. Were was America in 1967 when 4 arab armies were poised to invade and wipe out Israel. Were was America in 1973 when the arab muslims were set to wipe out Israel again.
America did not offer to help Israel until Egypt demanded protection money before it would sign the peace treaty, and then it was via loans that had to be spent on American goods and repaid in full the same year. No other country has its hands tied in this manner over US Aid. Israel loses out in the deals with America and gets demonised by ISLAMONAZI scum for doing so. America refuses to halt the aid because if it did they would not have a strategic ally in the M.E. to assist in any wars over there

 

[Phoenall]

Israel doesn't solve it's problem themselves. Without the US, Israel would have been defeated 30 years ago already.

Nah, that's just whiskey talk. What army would have defeated Israel? It's been tried before.

Jordania, Syria, Palestina, maybe some oil state or Iran. Almost all muslim neighbouring countries.

Maybe pink pigs fly in your fantasy world as they have all tried and failed. They were burnt and realised that they don't stand a chance against Israel's far superior weapons. All the places you have mentioned rely on foreign weapons to fight wars with, and they could dry up in the blink of an eye. You forget arab Palestine (Jordan) has signed a treaty with Israel, the oil state (Saudi) is looking at making trade deals with Israel. Syria is in the midst of a bloody civil war and will be picking up the pieces for the next 50 years. Leaves iran that would be destroyed by the UN nations if it coughed in Israel's direction.

 

[Phoenall]

@CC: Well, at least you didn't over-rate the Egyptians......

Am I right in understanding that you're not American? That'd explain your lack of understanding about the 'US aid' to Israel......

It only takes a few minutes to get to the reality of the aid, I am not American but I understand it

 

[Phoenall]

Jordania, Syria, Palestina, maybe some oil state or Iran. Almost all muslim neighbouring countries.

Five armies vastly out armed and out maned Israel yet not only could not wipe out Israel but lost land each time as well.

No one fought Israel's battles.

Without russia egypt and syria would have been defeated. Without the UK Jordan would have been defeated. Without illegal arms Israel would not be under attack today.
Without arab interference there would be no refugees and there would have been a palestinian state back in 1947.

You are full of shit.

"As far as the military balance is concerned, it was always assumed that the Arabs enjoyed overwhelming numerical superiority. The war was accordingly depicted as one between the few against the many, as a desperate, tenacious, and heroic struggle for survival against horrifyingly heavy odds. The desperate plight and the heroism of the Jewish fighters are not in question. Nor is the fact that they had inferior military hardware at their disposal, at least until the first truce, when illicit arms supplies from Czechoslovakia decisively tipped the scales in their favour. But in mid-May 1948 the total number of Arab troops, both regular and irregular, operating in the Palestine theatre was under 25,000, whereas the Israel Defence Force (IDF) fielded over 35,000 troops. By mid-July the IDF mobilized 65,000 men under arms, and be December its numbers had reached a peak of 96,441. The Arab states also reinforced their armies, but they could not match this rate of increase. Thus, at each stage of the war, the IDF outnumbered all the Arab forces arrayed against it, and, after the first round of fighting, it outgunned them too. The final outcome of the war was therefore not a miracle but a faithful reflection of the underlying military balance in the Palestine theatre. In this war, as in most wars, the stronger side prevailed.[3]

Israel and the Arab Coalition in 1948

Farm tractors against tanks, hoes against rifles, shotguns against field guns. The arab armies always had the benefit of better arms and armour and still they lost. In every war they lost because they were cowards and ran away when they were facing defeat. In n1967 the far superior Egyptian forces were destroyed and ran leaving their tanks on the battlefield.
You go on about demographics beating Israel, well what happened in 1948 when the demographics were such that Israel was outnumbered 100 to 1 and the arab armies could not muster enough troops to win. Again in 1967 Israel were outnumbers 150 to 1 and won the war. Then again in 1973 175 to 1 and still not enough. How many dead bodies does islam need to win against Israel 1,000 to 1 or 5,000 to 1 even.

You have just shown that demographics mean nothing against a better trained and motivated source, and that Israel will prevail against the arab might if allowed to do so.

 

[Crystalclear]

Nah, that's just whiskey talk. What army would have defeated Israel? It's been tried before.

Jordania, Syria, Palestina, maybe some oil state or Iran. Almost all muslim neighbouring countries.

Maybe pink pigs fly in your fantasy world as they have all tried and failed. They were burnt and realised that they don't stand a chance against Israel's far superior weapons. All the places you have mentioned rely on foreign weapons to fight wars with, and they could dry up in the blink of an eye. You forget arab Palestine (Jordan) has signed a treaty with Israel, the oil state (Saudi) is looking at making trade deals with Israel. Syria is in the midst of a bloody civil war and will be picking up the pieces for the next 50 years. Leaves iran that would be destroyed by the UN nations if it coughed in Israel's direction.

Then there's no reason to help Israel anymore.

 

[Billo_Really]

It was not Jews that flew the planes into the WTC ...

But it was our un-conditional support for Israel, which was the reason those planes flew into our buildings.

 

[MHunterB]

Jordania, Syria, Palestina, maybe some oil state or Iran. Almost all muslim neighbouring countries.

Five armies vastly out armed and out maned Israel yet not only could not wipe out Israel but lost land each time as well.

No one fought Israel's battles.

Without russia egypt and syria would have been defeated. Without the UK Jordan would have been defeated. Without illegal arms Israel would not be under attack today.
Without arab interference there would be no refugees and there would have been a palestinian state back in 1947.

You are full of shit.

"As far as the military balance is concerned, it was always assumed that the Arabs enjoyed overwhelming numerical superiority. The war was accordingly depicted as one between the few against the many, as a desperate, tenacious, and heroic struggle for survival against horrifyingly heavy odds. The desperate plight and the heroism of the Jewish fighters are not in question. Nor is the fact that they had inferior military hardware at their disposal, at least until the first truce, when illicit arms supplies from Czechoslovakia decisively tipped the scales in their favour. But in mid-May 1948 the total number of Arab troops, both regular and irregular, operating in the Palestine theatre was under 25,000, whereas the Israel Defence Force (IDF) fielded over 35,000 troops. By mid-July the IDF mobilized 65,000 men under arms, and be December its numbers had reached a peak of 96,441. The Arab states also reinforced their armies, but they could not match this rate of increase. Thus, at each stage of the war, the IDF outnumbered all the Arab forces arrayed against it, and, after the first round of fighting, it outgunned them too. The final outcome of the war was therefore not a miracle but a faithful reflection of the underlying military balance in the Palestine theatre. In this war, as in most wars, the stronger side prevailed.[3]

Israel and the Arab Coalition in 1948

"Shlaim served as an outside examiner on the doctoral thesis of Ilan Pappé, another notable New Historian. Shlaim's approach to the study of history is informed by his belief that, "[t]he job of the historian is to judge."[3]

Avi Shlaim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The bold statement above is exactly why I don't have any respect for Schlaim's views: he's no more a 'historian' than that freak Alex Jones is a 'reporter'.

 

[MHunterB]

It was not Jews that flew the planes into the WTC ...

But it was our un-conditional support for Israel, which was the reason those planes flew into our buildings.

Get real, billo-bully: The US doesn't even give 'unconditional' support to our own government!

We *should* support our allies - now if you don't think Israel should be our ally, I suggest you do some research on what it takes to break off an alliance, and especially what kind of message doing so would send to every other ally of the US.

 

[Billo_Really]

Get real, billo-bully: The US doesn't even give 'unconditional' support to our own government!

We do to Israel and that needs to stop.

We should not be sending any weapons or US tax dollars to that country at all.

We *should* support our allies - now if you don't think Israel should be our ally, I suggest you do some research on what it takes to break off an alliance, and especially what kind of message doing so would send to every other ally of the US.

Just because they're an ally, doesn't mean we should protect them when they commit war crimes.

 

[Phoenall]

Jordania, Syria, Palestina, maybe some oil state or Iran. Almost all muslim neighbouring countries.

Maybe pink pigs fly in your fantasy world as they have all tried and failed. They were burnt and realised that they don't stand a chance against Israel's far superior weapons. All the places you have mentioned rely on foreign weapons to fight wars with, and they could dry up in the blink of an eye. You forget arab Palestine (Jordan) has signed a treaty with Israel, the oil state (Saudi) is looking at making trade deals with Israel. Syria is in the midst of a bloody civil war and will be picking up the pieces for the next 50 years. Leaves iran that would be destroyed by the UN nations if it coughed in Israel's direction.

Then there's no reason to help Israel anymore.

Or Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Somalia in fact any of the Islamic nations that America give 10 times as much aid to as they loan Israel. Did you read that, LOAN as in lend and charge interest on, that must be spent on American goods. I will ask you could you justify putting more American workers on welfare and destroying the economy all because Israel gets loans ?

So if the USA wants a staging post in a friendly M.E. nation then it has to help Israel, if the USA wants to prosper on the world market it has to help Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

It was not Jews that flew the planes into the WTC ...

But it was our un-conditional support for Israel, which was the reason those planes flew into our buildings.

No it was the 7c mindset of the islamonazis that used the support for Israel and the attacks on Iraq as an excuse to mass murder 3,000 innocent people. Now imagine the uproar if Jews did that in Saudi or Bahrain

 

[Phoenall]

Get real, billo-bully: The US doesn't even give 'unconditional' support to our own government!

We do to Israel and that needs to stop.

We should not be sending any weapons or US tax dollars to that country at all.

We *should* support our allies - now if you don't think Israel should be our ally, I suggest you do some research on what it takes to break off an alliance, and especially what kind of message doing so would send to every other ally of the US.

Just because they're an ally, doesn't mean we should protect them when they commit war crimes.

So even if the weapons are paid for and keep American workers of welfare. Even if the money is repaid in full and with INTEREST keeping America's economy buoyant

What war crimes that you have not already been shown are covered by International law and the Geneva conventions.

 

[Crystalclear]

Maybe pink pigs fly in your fantasy world as they have all tried and failed. They were burnt and realised that they don't stand a chance against Israel's far superior weapons. All the places you have mentioned rely on foreign weapons to fight wars with, and they could dry up in the blink of an eye. You forget arab Palestine (Jordan) has signed a treaty with Israel, the oil state (Saudi) is looking at making trade deals with Israel. Syria is in the midst of a bloody civil war and will be picking up the pieces for the next 50 years. Leaves iran that would be destroyed by the UN nations if it coughed in Israel's direction.

Then there's no reason to help Israel anymore.

Or Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Somalia in fact any of the Islamic nations that America give 10 times as much aid to as they loan Israel. Did you read that, LOAN as in lend and charge interest on, that must be spent on American goods. I will ask you could you justify putting more American workers on welfare and destroying the economy all because Israel gets loans ?

So if the USA wants a staging post in a friendly M.E. nation then it has to help Israel, if the USA wants to prosper on the world market it has to help Israel.

It's even worse that they help those third-world countries. And putting the American workers that rely on Israel on welfare (what will not happen because private conpanies can still trade with Israel) is cheaper for the average taxpayer than aiding half of the world.

 

[Phoenall]

Then there's no reason to help Israel anymore.

Or Saudi, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Somalia in fact any of the Islamic nations that America give 10 times as much aid to as they loan Israel. Did you read that, LOAN as in lend and charge interest on, that must be spent on American goods. I will ask you could you justify putting more American workers on welfare and destroying the economy all because Israel gets loans ?

So if the USA wants a staging post in a friendly M.E. nation then it has to help Israel, if the USA wants to prosper on the world market it has to help Israel.

It's even worse that they help those third-world countries. And putting the American workers that rely on Israel on welfare (what will not happen because private conpanies can still trade with Israel) is cheaper for the average taxpayer than aiding half of the world.

How can it be cheaper when Israel is forced to borrow 2.5 billion every year at 10% interest, which means the USA taxpayers get back 2.75 million a year. To put the 20,000 defence workers on welfare would cost the USA in the region of 1.5 million a year, and reduced the credit rating down even further. The private companies would need to reduce prices and increase quality while giving Israel credit at preferential rates costing the companies money. So the tax payer is out of pocket twice.


Only an ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDIST would fail to see that Israel is working for the US economy while islam is working to destroy the USA.