Here are some facts to consider:
1) There has not been a great cost to jobs
2) Employers aren't dumping healthcare plans en masse.
3) Because millions more now have health insurance, insurance companies and providers largely support the law.
4) If it passes the next Supreme Court ruling, it will become a pillar in the healthcare industry.
5) repubs still have jack shit to replace it with.
Dear
Billy000
Slavery also built the economy.
But it was a violation of human rights, and natural laws on free will of persons.
Every person is born with free will and a desire for liberty or free choice.
So this bill goes against human nature, and will naturally be protested!
Unless someone commits a crime, there is no justification for the govt depriving such persons of liberty we had before. What crime is being committed in wanting free choice to provide health care in other ways besides govt mandated insurance?
I posted a thread for
francoHFW about how medical care requires physical material resources and labor.
So this is not free.
If you want affordable, public health care, you are free to volunteer and donate your own services.
If you want other people to join you, they must do so VOLUNTARILY and there is no problem!
But to mandate this belief through govt, against the will of taxpayers who BELIEVE in free will and free market choices,
violates religious freedom under the First Amendment, and equal protection from discrimination by creed under the Fourteenth Amendment and Civil Rights Act.
If you see it as forcing people to forfeit their labor, that violates the Thirteenth Amendment against involuntary servitude
except if a crime is committed (and someone goes through due process before losing liberties under the Fifth Amendment)
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,
nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
For those who see the rights to health care choices as a right of the people and the states,
this violated the Tenth Amendment unless a Constitutional Amendment is voted on that delegates this to Federal Govt.
Dear
Billy000 As good as the intentions are, it is still outside the bounds of Constitutional procedures and jurisdiction of Govt to pass a law that mandates these regulations on taxpayers, under penalty, depriving us of liberty and "free choice" when we committed NO CRIME.
The CHOICE to pay for health care through other means besides "private insurance"
is NOT a crime to be punished by a tax penalty!
There is nothing wrong with paying for health care of oneself and others completely VOLUNTARILY.
Yet this is being treated as a CRIME where taxpayers have been DEPRIVED of liberty and forced to go through govt.
You can justify in your mind that this is necessary.
But how is that different from people who saw slavery as necessary to build the economy
when there was not enough help or resources to pay people to work the land?
The Southern economy depended on slave labor. This helped America build and prepare for the Industrial Revolution
that allowed America's economy to grow to top advantage over other nations.
Does that make it justified?
