Is present Ukraine an independent country?

[Dissident]

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Probably, many have already forgotten that one of the main theses of Ukrainian protest movement - the so-called Euromaidan - which had begun more than 10 years ago, was the allegation that Ukraine under Yanukovych was a colony of Russia.

Naturally, no evidence was given for the above-mentioned allegation, but the present article deals with the current situation in Ukraine. That is, I want to consider the question - Is post-Maidan Ukraine an independent country?​

Spoiler

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Last month, Olena Zelenska, Ukraine's first lady, said in an interview to the BBC that Ukrainians would be in mortal danger without further Western aid; see below a citation from the BBC website.​

Olena Zelenska has warned that Ukrainians are in "mortal danger" of being left to die if Western countries don't continue their financial support.​

But when a country - without financial support from other countries - is in mortal danger, that means that this country cannot exist independently.

And all actions of the post-Maidan authorities confirm this conclusion. Zelenskyy has constantly been rushing all over the world, begging for financial and other support (and before Zelenskyy, Poroshenko constantly did this). If some countries do not provide such support to the Ukrainian authorities, that causes real hysteria and cries in Kyiv - “We have been betrayed!”​

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Lack of independence of present Ukraine can be seen in both domestic and foreign policy.
For example, Joe Biden openly told how he had achieved the removal of Viktor Shokin, who had served as the Attorney General of Ukraine, from his post. See below the citation with a translation of Biden’s words on the website of the Ukrainian version of Voice of America.

I said, I'm leaving in 6 hours; if your Attorney General isn't fired by then, you don't get any money. And that son of a ***** was fired.

And in November last year, Davyd Arakhamia, head of the ruling party faction in the Ukrainian parliament, said that in the spring of 2022, the then British Prime Minister Boris Johnson had suggested to the Ukrainian authorities “let’s just wage a war (against Russia)”; see a citation and video below.

Moreover, when we had returned from Istanbul, Boris Johnson came to Kiev and said that we would not sign anything with them - and let’s just wage a war.

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Two conclusions can be drawn from the above.

Firstly, the above examples show that present Ukraine is not independent in both internal and international affairs.

Secondly, no one can name cases when something similar to the above took place in Ukraine before the so-called “Revolution of Dignity”. Moreover, it is completely unclear what kind of dignity can be found in a country in which, for example, a foreign politician dismisses its Attorney General.

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[Donald H]

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Russia has never stopped granting the Ukraine that right. It's always been dependent on certain conditions apply. And it always will be. Conditions demanded by Russia that always will apply.

Russia doesn't want the Ukraine. That only requires an explanation of what the Ukraine could have had before their huge losses due to Nazi demands for war.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes, while Russia will be broken up into about a dozen nation states and cities.

 

[Magnus]

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Probably, many have already forgotten that one of the main theses of Ukrainian protest movement - the so-called Euromaidan - which had begun more than 10 years ago, was the allegation that Ukraine under Yanukovych was a colony of Russia.

Naturally, no evidence was given for the above-mentioned allegation, but the present article deals with the current situation in Ukraine. That is, I want to consider the question - Is post-Maidan Ukraine an independent country?​

Spoiler

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Last month, Olena Zelenska, Ukraine's first lady, said in an interview to the BBC that Ukrainians would be in mortal danger without further Western aid; see below a citation from the BBC website.

But when a country - without financial support from other countries - is in mortal danger, that means that this country cannot exist independently.

And all actions of the post-Maidan authorities confirm this conclusion. Zelenskyy has constantly been rushing all over the world, begging for financial and other support (and before Zelenskyy, Poroshenko constantly did this). If some countries do not provide such support to the Ukrainian authorities, that causes real hysteria and cries in Kyiv - “We have been betrayed!”​

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Lack of independence of present Ukraine can be seen in both domestic and foreign policy.
For example, Joe Biden openly told how he had achieved the removal of Viktor Shokin, who had served as the Attorney General of Ukraine, from his post. See below the citation with a translation of Biden’s words on the website of the Ukrainian version of Voice of America.

And in November last year, Davyd Arakhamia, head of the ruling party faction in the Ukrainian parliament, said that in the spring of 2022, the then British Prime Minister Boris Johnson had suggested to the Ukrainian authorities “let’s just wage a war (against Russia)”; see a citation and video below.

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Two conclusions can be drawn from the above.

Firstly, the above examples show that present Ukraine is not independent in both internal and international affairs.

Secondly, no one can name cases when something similar to the above took place in Ukraine before the so-called “Revolution of Dignity”. Moreover, it is completely unclear what kind of dignity can be found in a country in which, for example, a foreign politician dismisses its Attorney General.

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Gad, the level of stupidity in this one post. Where to begin?

A country threatened means they are no longer free? When Great Britan was threatened by the Nazis and wanted our help, that meant that UK was no longer a free country?

Are you usually this stupid or did we catch you at a bad time?

 

[Litwin]

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Probably, many have already forgotten that one of the main theses of Ukrainian protest movement - the so-called Euromaidan - which had begun more than 10 years ago, was the allegation that Ukraine under Yanukovych was a colony of Russia.

Naturally, no evidence was given for the above-mentioned allegation, but the present article deals with the current situation in Ukraine. That is, I want to consider the question - Is post-Maidan Ukraine an independent country?​

Spoiler

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Last month, Olena Zelenska, Ukraine's first lady, said in an interview to the BBC that Ukrainians would be in mortal danger without further Western aid; see below a citation from the BBC website.

But when a country - without financial support from other countries - is in mortal danger, that means that this country cannot exist independently.

And all actions of the post-Maidan authorities confirm this conclusion. Zelenskyy has constantly been rushing all over the world, begging for financial and other support (and before Zelenskyy, Poroshenko constantly did this). If some countries do not provide such support to the Ukrainian authorities, that causes real hysteria and cries in Kyiv - “We have been betrayed!”​

​

Lack of independence of present Ukraine can be seen in both domestic and foreign policy.
For example, Joe Biden openly told how he had achieved the removal of Viktor Shokin, who had served as the Attorney General of Ukraine, from his post. See below the citation with a translation of Biden’s words on the website of the Ukrainian version of Voice of America.

And in November last year, Davyd Arakhamia, head of the ruling party faction in the Ukrainian parliament, said that in the spring of 2022, the then British Prime Minister Boris Johnson had suggested to the Ukrainian authorities “let’s just wage a war (against Russia)”; see a citation and video below.

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Two conclusions can be drawn from the above.

Firstly, the above examples show that present Ukraine is not independent in both internal and international affairs.

Secondly, no one can name cases when something similar to the above took place in Ukraine before the so-called “Revolution of Dignity”. Moreover, it is completely unclear what kind of dignity can be found in a country in which, for example, a foreign politician dismisses its Attorney General.

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Yes ivan , while your Moscow ulus will be broken up into about a dozen nation states and cities.

 

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[luiza]

Yes, while Russia will be broken up into about a dozen nation states and cities.

Continue with your usual silliness Horsey , but dropping down to stupidity is boring .

 

[Zebra]

yes, ukraine is independent

 

[Cassandro]

Russia doesn't want the Ukraine.

Correct, but Russia wants a secure warm-water port and a buffer zone between it and Ukraine/NATO.

 

[Cassandro]

Yes, while Russia will be broken up into about a dozen nation states and cities.

Which ones will have nuclear weapons?

 

[Cassandro]

Gad, the level of stupidity in this one post. Where to begin?

A country threatened means they are no longer free? When Great Britan was threatened by the Nazis and wanted our help, that meant that UK was no longer a free country?

Are you usually this stupid or did we catch you at a bad time?

Insults do not make up for profound ignorance.

 

[Donald H]

Correct, but Russia wants a secure warm-water port and a buffer zone between it and Ukraine/NATO.

The agreements on the Crimea were satisfactory for both sides until America showed up to wreck them. And yes, a buffer zone is required to satisfy Russia, or an ironclad agreement on the Ukraine's territory taken by Putin/Russia becomes neutral.

Unfortunately, the US is not going to agree with any peaceful solution, and the Ukrainie dare not interfere with America's plans.

 

[Magnus]

Insults do not make up for profound ignorance.

Sure, but insults are a great way to deal with right-wing retards and their stupidity. Let me know if you are still confused.

 

[Deadstick]

yes, ukraine is independent

Any country that depends on outside money and support for its survival from another Country is not independent.

 

[Dissident]

In this thread, my opponents fiercely claimed that Ukraine is an independent country.

Therefore I would like to hear their opinion on the following statement which was made by Zelenskyy this week:​

"My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump’s strong leadership to get a peace that lasts," the president (Zelenskyy) adds.

Heads of independent states do not work under the leadership of foreign politicians, that’s why they are independent
Heads of independent states cooperate with such politicians, enjoy their assistance, but in no case “work under their leadership.”

It is precisely stooges from dependent regimes that work under the leadership of foreign politicians.​

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Of course countries in an alliance work under the leadership of the dominant country(ies).

Don't be so gullible, Dissident.

 

[luiza]

Concentrate on explaining why exUkraine

*had nearly 40 bio labs funded and built,by the US with many near the Russian border
* Is a world centre for organ harvesting
* is a world centre for sex trafficking

• a world centre for paedophilia
• a world centre for adrenochome production and distribution .

*a world centre for child torture -- linked to adrenochrome

• a world centre for money laundering
• does its dirty and corrupt business mainly with the US , UK and Israel .

Ukraine now is vastly reduced in size but remains a den of Evil harking all the way back to when Khazarians became Faux Jews and now is run in shadow government terms by today's Khazarian Mafia .

Where is all that News ? Where is there honest reporting or comment ?
From this Hell on Earth ?

Calling it a Shite Hole is a compliment .

 

[Deadstick]

In this thread, my opponents fiercely claimed that Ukraine is an independent country.

Therefore I would like to hear their opinion on the following statement which was made by Zelenskyy this week:


Heads of independent states do not work under the leadership of foreign politicians, that’s why they are independent
Heads of independent states cooperate with such politicians, enjoy their assistance, but in no case “work under their leadership.”

It is precisely stooges from dependent regimes that work under the leadership of foreign politicians.​

There was a time when they worked under the leadership of Hitler.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

And the eastern bloc under the tyrant Stalin and his successors.