Is it Time for US Teachers to get Armed and Dangerous?

[Donald H]

Is it time for US teachers to get ‘armed and dangerous’?

With the number of US school shootings growing every year, gun-carrying teachers may be the quickest and most effective solution

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Will 2022 smash all previous year records?

And: Is arming teachers the right thing to do, when the presence of guns in the classrooms is going to have a negative effect on the children's ability to learn.

Are 12 foot high electrified chain link fences a better idea?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Parents need to be armed. It might be necessary for some students to be armed and ready to shoot predatory molesting teachers.

 

[jwoodie]

Is it time for US teachers to get ‘armed and dangerous’?

With the number of US school shootings growing every year, gun-carrying teachers may be the quickest and most effective solution

www.rt.com

Will 2022 smash all previous year records?

And: Is arming teachers the right thing to do, when the presence of guns in the classrooms is going to have a negative effect on the children's ability to learn.

Are 12 foot high electrified chain link fences a better idea?

1. How is a concealed weapon in a classroom going to have a negative effect on the children's ability to learn?
2. Fences and armed teachers are not mutually exclusive concepts.
3. Do you really advocate 12 foot high electrified chain link fences or is this just another straw man argument?

 

[2aguy]

Is it time for US teachers to get ‘armed and dangerous’?

With the number of US school shootings growing every year, gun-carrying teachers may be the quickest and most effective solution

www.rt.com

Will 2022 smash all previous year records?

And: Is arming teachers the right thing to do, when the presence of guns in the classrooms is going to have a negative effect on the children's ability to learn.

Are 12 foot high electrified chain link fences a better idea?

1) getting rid of "gun free zones," for normal people would keep mass public shooters away...just doing that.

Allowing parents to simply wear their own guns when they enter the building to deliver forgotten lunches or homework, dropping the kids off, picking kids up for medical appointmens......creates a random environment that mass public shooters avoid. They prefer unarmed targets, they are not looking for a shootout, and won't know who or how many people will be able to fight back against them.

2) Arming some of the staff would also help.

You don't have to arm all the teachers or even most of the teachers...you simply have to let the community know that some staff will be armed, but their identities will be known only to the school administration. This will again scare off mass public shooters. due to the fact they won't know who or how many people will be able to fight back if an attack happens.

3) Have locked exterior doors and two door entry systems for the building. Visitors only enter thru one door, into a lobby, which they are buzzed into, and then they have to be buzzed into the office to get into the main building area.

4) Put in police call boxes alongside fire department pull stations. Local schools in my area have this. The boxes, when the lever is pulled, go straight to the local police station, bypassing 911......and from their every cop in town heads to the school....saves time and the police know to enter the building right away.

These are the things you can do to make schools safer.

 

[2aguy]

Is it time for US teachers to get ‘armed and dangerous’?

With the number of US school shootings growing every year, gun-carrying teachers may be the quickest and most effective solution

www.rt.com

Will 2022 smash all previous year records?

And: Is arming teachers the right thing to do, when the presence of guns in the classrooms is going to have a negative effect on the children's ability to learn.

Are 12 foot high electrified chain link fences a better idea?

Do you oppose the Jewish schools in Britain and the rest of Europe having armed private security in their buildings?

 

[WinterBorn]

The problem with armed teachers is the close proximity of the students and the constant same faces that creates a sense of familiarity and comfort.

Classrooms now are overcrowded. This means the teacher is moving around in very close proximity to the students. Law Enforcement is taught to maintain some distance until it is necessary to lay hands on the perp. A teacher will often be unable to do that. And putting their hand on the weapon would be awkward at best, and a threat at worst.

Plus, the most difficult thing to fight is the relaxed attitude that would come with being in the classroom day after day after day.

While it might help with a shooter coming from outside, it would increase the chances of a student disarming the teacher and using their gun. There are many more instances of a teacher being attacked by a student than there are school shootings from an armed outsider coming in.

 

[WinterBorn]

1) getting rid of "gun free zones," for normal people would keep mass public shooters away...just doing that.

Allowing parents to simply wear their own guns when they enter the building to deliver forgotten lunches or homework, dropping the kids off, picking kids up for medical appointmens......creates a random environment that mass public shooters avoid. They prefer unarmed targets, they are not looking for a shootout, and won't know who or how many people will be able to fight back against them.

2) Arming some of the staff would also help.

You don't have to arm all the teachers or even most of the teachers...you simply have to let the community know that some staff will be armed, but their identities will be known only to the school administration. This will again scare off mass public shooters. due to the fact they won't know who or how many people will be able to fight back if an attack happens.

3) Have locked exterior doors and two door entry systems for the building. Visitors only enter thru one door, into a lobby, which they are buzzed into, and then they have to be buzzed into the office to get into the main building area.

4) Put in police call boxes alongside fire department pull stations. Local schools in my area have this. The boxes, when the lever is pulled, go straight to the local police station, bypassing 911......and from their every cop in town heads to the school....saves time and the police know to enter the building right away.

These are the things you can do to make schools safer.

The only problem I see with your solutions is with the last one. Just because the cops know there is a shooting does not mean they will enter the school and do anything. We have seen that.

 

[2aguy]

The problem with armed teachers is the close proximity of the students and the constant same faces that creates a sense of familiarity and comfort.

Classrooms now are overcrowded. This means the teacher is moving around in very close proximity to the students. Law Enforcement is taught to maintain some distance until it is necessary to lay hands on the perp. A teacher will often be unable to do that. And putting their hand on the weapon would be awkward at best, and a threat at worst.

Plus, the most difficult thing to fight is the relaxed attitude that would come with being in the classroom day after day after day.

While it might help with a shooter coming from outside, it would increase the chances of a student disarming the teacher and using their gun. There are many more instances of a teacher being attacked by a student than there are school shootings from an armed outsider coming in.

The solution to your points? Arm support staff, librarians, clerks, administrators......... This has the added benefit that they are not in direct contact with the students at all times, and they move around the building more than teachers do, creating more uncertainty for attackers.......


About 14 states already allow for armed teachers.....haven't seen a story about students disarming teachers....and you know that would be on the news 24/7 if it actually happened...

Here’s all the states where teachers already carry guns in the classroom
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Pistol-Packing Teachers Becoming More Common in Arkansas

HEBER SPRINGS, ARKANSAS —

Dale Cresswell keeps his gun on his hip at all times: in his classroom, at sporting events, whenever he’s at school.

Cresswell, head coach to the senior boys’ track and cross-country teams, is one of a small, but growing group of teachers around the United States who are volunteering to carry a weapon. His employer, Heber Springs School District, just came online this semester.

“It was a no-brainer. I have a daughter still in school,” said Cresswell of his decision, acknowledging that he might know any potential shooter. “I see it as, I’m protecting more than one person. I’m protecting all the other students.”

Tests and training

In order to qualify, Cresswell and other faculty, including administrators and IT professionals who can move around more easily, underwent background checks and psychological tests. They continue to go through rigorous training.

“I know that last summer there was a big movement here. We were fortunate that we had made the decision early, and we were able to secure trainers and get our time slot locked in,” said Heber Springs School District Superintendent Alan Stauffacher, noting that some other schools are “struggling” to get set up.

A semester in, the novelty of Cresswell carrying a weapon has worn off. He said that when asked, the students tell him they don’t even notice his gun anymore.

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A study published by Vice News in March found that at least 14 of the 50 states arm teachers and another 16 allow local school boards to decide on the issue.

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Do we need the shooters to spell it out for us? Some have, including shooters at a Charleston church and at a Colorado movie theater.
In diaries and other statements, they have explicitly stated their intentions to avoid places where people have guns. In 2016, a young Islamic State sympathizer planned a shooting at one of the largest churches in Detroit. The FBI recorded a telephone call where he explained why he had picked the church: "It's easy, and a lot of people go there. Plus people are not allowed to carry guns in church."
We don't have to guess about the logistics of letting teachers carry.

In 18 states, teachers and staff are already carrying concealed handguns, though the rules vary greatly.



Utah, with some of the least restrictive rules, has allowed teachers and staff to carry since 1997. There has never been a mass public shooting at an American school that allows concealed carry.
Clark Aposhian, the senior member of Utah's Concealed Firearm Review Board, estimates roughly 5 percent of teachers in his state carry permitted concealed handguns at school.
Aposhian estimates a rate of between 10 percent and 12 percent among support staff . These support staff include janitors, librarians, secretaries, and lunch staff.
Carrying in a school is no different than in a grocery store, movie theater, or restaurant. Over 1.3 million Pennsylvanians have a concealed handgun permit, and nobody knows who is carrying until a need arises. With almost 14 percent of adults having permits, public places are rarely defenseless. Except for schools.
Permit holders have recently stopped dozens of would-be mass public shootings in malls, churches, schools, universities and towns. Still, some people fear the worst. They fear that permit holders won't respond well, and perhaps accidentally shoot an innocent bystander. But that's never happened. Nor has a police officer ever accidentally shot a permit holder.

 

[2aguy]

The only problem I see with your solutions is with the last one. Just because the cops know there is a shooting does not mean they will enter the school and do anything. We have seen that.

Well......these are such rare events it is hard to say the general behavior of the police.......and the last one was a failure of the leadership, not the general cops.........there have been others where the cops followed training and went right into the building when they arrived....

 

[M14 Shooter]

And: Is arming teachers the right thing to do, when the presence of guns in the classrooms is going to have a negative effect on the children's ability to learn.

Old news. Try to keep up.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The problem with armed teachers is the close proximity of the students and the constant same faces that creates a sense of familiarity and comfort.

Is this more or less of a problem than school shootings?

While it might help with a shooter coming from outside, it would increase the chances of a student disarming the teacher and using their gun.

How often has this happened?

There are many more instances of a teacher being attacked by a student than there are school shootings from an armed outsider coming in.

Sounds like another good reason for teachers to carry.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The only problem I see with your solutions is with the last one. Just because the cops know there is a shooting does not mean they will enter the school and do anything. We have seen that.

All the more reason for allowing teachers, et al, to carry.

 

[jwoodie]

Why don't we have armed and unarmed schools and let parents decide which they prefer for their children?

 

[whitehall]

Don't get in an argument where it appears that you want to force teachers to pack heat. It's a bad tactic. Qualified teachers should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon. Back in the old days most male teachers who were of draft age were qualified to carry a firearm. Not so today.