Give me some examples of the Palestinians defending their rights
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docmauser1
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Why should jews get the boot because major arab immigrants from the hood decided to redistribute what wasn't theirs?
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P F Tinmore, et al,
This is the nature of conflict.
The Palestinians did not "get the boot because of what happened in Europe" as you say. They opened up hostilities and lost control.
Don't, for a moment, think that the Iraqi believed then or now, that there is any such ancient principle. They are just as bad as the Palestinian.
They are not any authority on international law and human rights. They kill each other over the drop of a hat. The Sunni 'vs' Shi'ite dispute is the worst.
Find another example. I suggest may be using the Hashemite Kingdom as your template.
I am not, in the least bit, sliming the Palestinians. It is what it is. In essences, I said that the Palestinians only have a capacity to think of themselves, and not the greater good. They don't have the capacity to help save a culture. It is a theme not so uncommon in the Middle East.
Of all the post-Ottoman Empire that was Muslim, it all went back to the Arabs excepts for a small sliver of land allocated to the Jewish National Home. There was a greater good at work, one which the Hostile Arab Palestinian wants to suppress, deny and actively worked against.
You can disregard my interpretation of the Hostile Arab Palestinian and use their own words:
I thought I was being kind.
It should be noted that the Israeli did not respond to this threat in kind. Because if they had followed the lead of the Arab Higher Committee, there wouldn't be a problem with refugees today, there wouldn't be a border dispute, there wouldn't be a State of Palestine, HAMAS, Islamic Jihad, or Hezbollah to worry about. There would not have been a massacre at the Olympics, there wouldn't have been the piracy of the Achille Lauro, the numerous attacks on airports, the suicide bombings, the ambushes or the rocket attacks. The Israeli responded in a much different way, civilized way, with a Hostile Population that openly told the UN their strategy should the Jewish Agency accept the Partition Plan offer.
If there was a culture that had adopted a holocaust-like strategy, it was the Arab Higher Committee ("wipe them out – man women and child"). The Palestinians did not "get the boot because of what happened in Europe" - but because of what they threatened to do in 1949 (and still promote today). And in 1949, with the events of Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno, Dachau, Majdanek, Sobibor, and Treblinka, still very much fresh in their mind, I don't quite blame them.
Was I sliming? No. I was on my best behavior.
Most Respectfully,
R
This is the nature of conflict.
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The Palestinians did not "get the boot because of what happened in Europe" as you say. They opened up hostilities and lost control.
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Don't, for a moment, think that the Iraqi believed then or now, that there is any such ancient principle. They are just as bad as the Palestinian.
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... the responsibility of the Iraqi government to ensure the safety and security of the residents. He also called on the Iraqi government to promptly investigate the incident and disclose the findings. Earlier in the day, Iraqi media quoted a ...
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Prisoners set clothes on fire and rioted inside the jail. Militants attacked it from outside with rocket-propelled grenades. A suicide bomber driving a car packed with explosives blasted his way through the main gate. When security forces backed ...
Reuters · 7/30/2013
Bombing rocks mosque in Iraq; 18 dead
(CNN)-- At least 18 Sunni worshipers were killed and 29 others were injured in Iraq on Friday when two bombs ripped through a mosque, police said. The incident occurred in Samarra, a largely Sunni city more than 60 Â…
Bombings and a shooting kill 10 security force members in northern Iraq
Attacks kill 10 in northern Iraq
A suicide assault on a police headquarters and other insurgent attacks in northern Iraq killed 10 members of the security forces on Saturday, police said.
UN chief deplores deadly incidents in Iraq's Camp Ashraf
... the responsibility of the Iraqi government to ensure the safety and security of the residents. He also called on the Iraqi government to promptly investigate the incident and disclose the findings. Earlier in the day, Iraqi media quoted a ...
Xinhua News Agency · 9/1/2013
They are not any authority on international law and human rights. They kill each other over the drop of a hat. The Sunni 'vs' Shi'ite dispute is the worst.
Find another example. I suggest may be using the Hashemite Kingdom as your template.
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I am not, in the least bit, sliming the Palestinians. It is what it is. In essences, I said that the Palestinians only have a capacity to think of themselves, and not the greater good. They don't have the capacity to help save a culture. It is a theme not so uncommon in the Middle East.
Of all the post-Ottoman Empire that was Muslim, it all went back to the Arabs excepts for a small sliver of land allocated to the Jewish National Home. There was a greater good at work, one which the Hostile Arab Palestinian wants to suppress, deny and actively worked against.
You can disregard my interpretation of the Hostile Arab Palestinian and use their own words:
UNITED NATIONS PALESTINE COMMISSION - First Special Report to the Security Council: The Problem of Security in Palestine said:
Palestine National Charter said:
Me! Slime the Palestinian! --- Oh no. I just understand who they are and the character of the species and culture. What was it they said:The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement said:
“The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child."
I thought I was being kind.
It should be noted that the Israeli did not respond to this threat in kind. Because if they had followed the lead of the Arab Higher Committee, there wouldn't be a problem with refugees today, there wouldn't be a border dispute, there wouldn't be a State of Palestine, HAMAS, Islamic Jihad, or Hezbollah to worry about. There would not have been a massacre at the Olympics, there wouldn't have been the piracy of the Achille Lauro, the numerous attacks on airports, the suicide bombings, the ambushes or the rocket attacks. The Israeli responded in a much different way, civilized way, with a Hostile Population that openly told the UN their strategy should the Jewish Agency accept the Partition Plan offer.
If there was a culture that had adopted a holocaust-like strategy, it was the Arab Higher Committee ("wipe them out – man women and child"). The Palestinians did not "get the boot because of what happened in Europe" - but because of what they threatened to do in 1949 (and still promote today). And in 1949, with the events of Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno, Dachau, Majdanek, Sobibor, and Treblinka, still very much fresh in their mind, I don't quite blame them.
Was I sliming? No. I was on my best behavior.
Most Respectfully,
R
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georgephillip
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For thinking greedy. greedy Jews have the $lightest interest in peace:
"The winter issue of Kivunim, a “A Journal for Judaism and Zionism,” publishes “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties” by Oded Yinon. The paper, published in Hebrew, rejects the idea that Israel should carry through with the Camp David accords and seek peace.
"Instead, Yinon suggests that the Arab States should be destroyed from within by exploiting their internal religious and ethnic tensions: 'LebanonÂ’s total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precedent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track...'"
Oded Yinon
OK, so, now, what's the down-side...?
In actuality...
Greedy?
Not really.
The Jews don't want it all...
Just this...
...hell, they're most of the way there already, and getting closer every year.
And, once they have it, they'll be content; not giving a rat's ass what happens outside their borders, so long as those outsiders don't mess with Israel.
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georgephillip
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When are you planning to dip your kampfstiefels and your fat arse in the Brook of the Nile?
Before or after the Euphrates?
"When viewed in the current context, the war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon, the 2011 war on Libya, the ongoing war on Syria, not to mention the process of regime change in Egypt, must be understood in relation to the Zionist Plan for the Middle East.
"The latter consists in weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of an Israeli expansionist project.
“'Greater Israel' consists in an area extending from the Nile Valley to the Euphrates.
The Zionist project supports the Jewish settlement movement. More broadly it involves a policy of excluding Palestinians from Palestine leading to the eventual annexation of both the West Bank and Gaza to the State of Israel.
"Greater Israel would create a number of proxy States. It would include parts of Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, the Sinai, as well as parts of Iraq and Saudi Arabia. (See map).
?Greater Israel?: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East | Global Research
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You're a page or two behind in your Zionist play book.OK, so, now, what's the down-side...?
In actuality...
Greedy?
Not really.
The Jews don't want it all...
Just this...
...hell, they're most of the way there already, and getting closer every year.
And, once they have it, they'll be content; not giving a rat's ass what happens outside their borders, so long as those outsiders don't mess with Israel.
Greater Israel starts from the Nile Valley and ends at the Euphrates.
See map here.
"Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. In Iraq, on the basis of the concepts of the Yinon Plan, Israeli strategists have called for the division of Iraq into a Kurdish state and two Arab states, one for Shiite
"Muslims and the other for Sunni Muslims. The first step towards establishing this was a war between Iraq and Iran, which the Yinon Plan discusses.
"The Atlantic, in 2008, and the U.S. militaryÂ’s Armed Forces Journal, in 2006, both published widely circulated maps that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan. Aside from a divided Iraq, which the Biden Plan also calls for, the Yinon Plan calls for a divided Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria.
"The partitioning of Iran, Turkey, Somalia, and Pakistan also all fall into line with these views. The Yinon Plan also calls for dissolution in North Africa and forecasts it as starting from Egypt and then spilling over into Sudan, Libya, and the rest of the region."
Nonsense."You're a page or two behind in your Zionist play book. Greater Israel starts from the Nile Valley and ends at the Euphrates...OK, so, now, what's the down-side...?
In actuality...
Greedy?
Not really.
The Jews don't want it all...
Just this...
...hell, they're most of the way there already, and getting closer every year.
And, once they have it, they'll be content; not giving a rat's ass what happens outside their borders, so long as those outsiders don't mess with Israel.
Do they hope that some of their Muslim-Arab neighbor-states fall apart?
Possibly.
Do they plan on moving-in after the fall and taking control of the land, to be settled by Jews, so thereby incorporating those land-masses as part of Greater Israel?
Doubtful.
No matter how many feverish, paranoid, delusional citations come crawling out of the wood-work.
They just want what was theirs, 2,000 years ago - the combined area of the Kingdoms of old Judah and newer Israel.
Which that map pretty much defines.
They won't need more, for a long time to come.
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P F Tinmore
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The Palestinians opened up hostilities when they went to Europe and attacked the Zionists?
Rocco, you are a hoot!
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You still haven't proven that Jews, alone among all nations of this planet, have any moral or legal right to "what was theirs 2000 years ago." Spare me the funny photos of big scary tanks and killer Jews with painted faces.Nonsense."You're a page or two behind in your Zionist play book. Greater Israel starts from the Nile Valley and ends at the Euphrates...OK, so, now, what's the down-side...?
In actuality...
Greedy?
Not really.
The Jews don't want it all...
Just this...
...hell, they're most of the way there already, and getting closer every year.
And, once they have it, they'll be content; not giving a rat's ass what happens outside their borders, so long as those outsiders don't mess with Israel.
Do they hope that some of their Muslim-Arab neighbor-states fall apart?
Possibly.
Do they plan on moving-in after the fall and taking control of the land, to be settled by Jews, so thereby incorporating those land-masses as part of Greater Israel?
Doubtful.
No matter how many feverish, paranoid, delusional citations come crawling out of the wood-work.
They just want what was theirs, 2,000 years ago - the combined area of the Kingdoms of old Judah and newer Israel.
Which that map pretty much defines.
They won't need more, for a long time to come.
RoccoR
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P F Tinmore, et al,
Maybe you didn't read it all.
Maybe I said:
Most Respectfully,
R
Maybe you didn't read it all.
(COMMENT)The Palestinians opened up hostilities when they went to Europe and attacked the Zionists?
Rocco, you are a hoot!
Maybe I said:
Most Respectfully,
R
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P F Tinmore, et al,
Maybe you didn't read it all.
(COMMENT)The Palestinians opened up hostilities when they went to Europe and attacked the Zionists?
Rocco, you are a hoot!
Maybe I said:
Most Respectfully,
R
Why do you always criticize the Palestinians for self defense?
Victory on the battlefield is all that is required.
Made doubly-sweet when you were attacked by your opponents and five other peoples for merely accepting United Nations plans in the first place...
And then winning against astounding odds.
What part of 'Victory on the battlefield changes everything' do you not understand?
The old legalities of the 1930s and 1940s are absolutely meaningless and are now as dead as Julius Caesar.
Legal?
**** your old 1930s-1940s "legal".
The Palestinians have been sitting in shit-hole refugee camps for 65 years indulging in that particular pointless circle-jerk.
Let's just cut through all the bullshit.
The land has changed hands - permanently.
And the new owners are far bigger badasses than 'you' guys.
Badges?
We don't got to show you no stinking badges!
If you want it back, you must come take it.
If you can.
Love to see you try.
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I don't admit shit.
I admit that the Muslims stole the land out from under the remaining Jews living in Palestine-Judea and stole the land out from under the Eastern Empire (Byzantines).
I admit that the Turks stole the land out from under the Thieving Arabs as the Ottomans consolidated their grip on the Eastern Med.
I admit that the scattered, rag-tag collection of natives had their asses kicked time and again by both Different-Believers and their own Co-Religionists...
I admit that the scattered, rag-tag collection of sheep-herders couldn't rule themselves if they tried, much less The Land...
I admit that the Brits took over the rule of that scattered, rag-tag collection of sheep-<bleep>ers from the Ottomans, because the Brits, too, knew that those sheep-<bleep>ers would **** things up faster than a fly is drawn to camel shit....
I admit that the Jews had a far, far superior cultural and societal and religious collection of organizations and organizational and political skills and that they had been legally buying-up land in Palestine for 70-80 years prior to 1848...
I admit that the Palestinians didn't figure that out until very late in the game and didn't act on it until even later, as haphazardly disorganized as they were...
I admit that the Jews latched onto the UN Partition Plan in a genuine and grateful fashion, as quickly as it was offered, and that they based their own Declaration of Statehood upon that International Proposal, coming off looking like the epitome of reasonableness...
I admit that the Jews, surprisingly, after so many years of defeats and setbacks and disasters, finally managed to get their heads out of their asses and do what was needed to defend themselves and to carve-out a slice of the world for themselves, in such a way so that most of the rest of the world would not mind too much...
I admit that after a close call, the Jews managed to find a way to survive after all...
I admit that Nature seems to have DE-selected the so-called Palestinians, who are now destined to scatter to the four winds and to be re-aborbed into the neighboring Arab-Muslim populations from which their ancestors invaded and immigrated, several centuries ago...
I admit that we are dealing with survival of the fittest, and that the Palestinians do not meet that rigid criteria set down by Nature...
Best to toss in the towel, while you still have a towel to toss, and pack up, and move someplace else, and start new lives, and be happy...
Nobody wants to deny you the chance to be happy...
It's just that you can no longer do so where you are now...
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stole?
no sir. You said it yourself. "VICTORY ON THE BATTLEFIELD IS ALL THAT IS REQUIRED"
so either you believe that the Muslims rightfully owned & controlled Palestine, or that the Jews stole Palestine from the Muslims.
you can't have it both ways, silly.
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Kondor believes that the Jews rightfully control Palestine because, "victory on the battlefield is all that is required".
Yet he thinks that when the Muslims conquered the land from the Byzantines and then again from the Crusaders, they "stole it".
lolol!!!!!!!
Yet he thinks that when the Muslims conquered the land from the Byzantines and then again from the Crusaders, they "stole it".
lolol!!!!!!!
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