Is Either Party Considering Nominating a Good Candidate?

[Blaster]

For my money, at this point, it's not even about ideology. We've gone "full retard" on the partisanship nonsense and it has to stop. I'm looking for a candidate with the ability to empathize with the other side - even while trying to persuade them. Someone who will, genuinely, represent the interests of the entire country, rather than just placating their supporters.

The candidate you would prefer does not exist. The days of bipartisanship are long gone.

 

[Billiejeens]

For my money, at this point, it's not even about ideology. We've gone "full retard" on the partisanship nonsense and it has to stop. I'm looking for a candidate with the ability to empathize with the other side - even while trying to persuade them. Someone who will, genuinely, represent the interests of the entire country, rather than just placating their supporters.

Thank You.
I forget sometimes that you are only 12.

 

[Blaster]

Thank You.
I forget sometimes that you are only 12.

I suspect there are quite a few children on this forum judging by some of the responses I get.

 

[dblack]

The candidate you would prefer does not exist. The days of bipartisanship are long gone.

We need to turn that around. Or just throw in the towel.

 

[CowboyTed]

I doubt that you have any idea what the fairness doctrine was.

So you don't want anyone to listen to the other side...
You are in favour of not being challenged..

 

[dblack]

Thank You.
I forget sometimes that you are only 12.

And I forget sometimes that you don't like actual discussion or debate. Suck a tail-pipe, troll.

 

[CowboyTed]

Choice rank voting will permanently relegate any non-major party into being nothing more than a feeder into the two major parties. So when you vote for a Libertarian, you're not really voting for the Libertarian who has no chance of winning, you're voting for the person you put as number two. Choice rank voting will be the final nail in the coffin to solidify the permanent DEM/GOP strangle hold on the country.

Stormy,

I live in a country which has Choice Rank voting (Preference Voting) and the exact opposite happens...

Because people know voting for who you want doesn't spoil your vote, people vote who they want...

There is usually more choice and there are surprises...
West of Ireland voted in the first Muslim in Europe, complete surprise to everyone including the candidate. He was Indian doctor and was running to raise the profile of the needs of the local hospital. People voted him number 1 and then thought were to put there serious contender... Turns out a lot of people did and he became a Irish MP... We said he was an Indian among cowboys...

We have many independent members of parliament, 12% of MPs are independent... 9 parties have seats and there are three main parties.. Ireland run multi-seat districts too..

One Man One Vote is what creates two party systems..

 

[Billiejeens]

So you don't want anyone to listen to the other side...
You are in favour of not being challenged..

I love that I'm never wrong.

 

[Blaster]

We need to turn that around. Or just throw in the towel.

RFK Jr is the only candidate that seems willing to listen to both sides.

 

[CowboyTed]

For my money, at this point, it's not even about ideology. We've gone "full retard" on the partisanship nonsense and it has to stop. I'm looking for a candidate with the ability to empathize with the other side - even while trying to persuade them. Someone who will, genuinely, represent the interests of the entire country, rather than just placating their supporters.

Seriously Biden is that...

He was well liked and respected on both sides by people who personally knew him.. Both GOP and Dem...

He then ran for President and they had to call him Atila the hun.
Partisanship is evil to the base and while Democrats will vote for a moderate who was formally liked by there side, Trump Supporters especially call them RINOs.
This is the difference... Democrats don't have any far left by international standards but doesn't stop Trump supporters calling them Commies or Marxist...

 

[Blaster]

Seriously Biden is that...

He was well liked and respected on both sides by people who personally knew him.. Both GOP and Dem...

He then ran for President and they had to call him Atila the hun.
Partisanship is evil to the base and while Democrats will vote for a moderate who was formally liked by there side, Trump Supporters especially call them RINOs.
This is the difference... Democrats don't have any far left by international standards but doesn't stop Trump supporters calling them Commies or Marxist...

Biden is not the moderate that was in the Senate. He is unwilling to reach across the aisle.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Third party typically helps the democrat party.
If by chance the third party candidate does win they always vote with that maga party you claim to hate the democrat party. Secondly third party typically takes votes from the Republican party.

And you evidence of this is where?

And even if true, if people are choosing a third party over the Republicans, what does that say about how people view the Republicans?

 

[Stormy Daniels]

More than the current system? How so?

Why do you think think it would create a permanent two-party stranglehold? Is there something about how it works that leads you to say this?

The very essence of the whole idea is to hijack "smaller" candidates into the big party candidates. A Democrat only gets 48% of the vote, but the Green party candidate got 3% of the vote. Democrat wins! No need for a runoff. No need to treat the smaller party candidates as anything other than a AAA team for the big guys.

How does anyone not see this?

 

[Billiejeens]

The very essence of the whole idea is to hijack "smaller" candidates into the big party candidates. A Democrat only gets 48% of the vote, but the Green party candidate got 3% of the vote. Democrat wins! No need for a runoff. No need to treat the smaller party candidates as anything other than a AAA team for the big guys.

How does anyone not see this?

Everyone sees it.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Stormy,

I live in a country which has Choice Rank voting (Preference Voting) and the exact opposite happens...

Because people know voting for who you want doesn't spoil your vote, people vote who they want...

There is usually more choice and there are surprises...
West of Ireland voted in the first Muslim in Europe, complete surprise to everyone including the candidate. He was Indian doctor and was running to raise the profile of the needs of the local hospital. People voted him number 1 and then thought were to put there serious contender... Turns out a lot of people did and he became a Irish MP... We said he was an Indian among cowboys...

We have many independent members of parliament, 12% of MPs are independent... 9 parties have seats and there are three main parties.. Ireland run multi-seat districts too..

One Man One Vote is what creates two party systems..

You can't compare other countries to US behaviors. It's a cultural phenomenon. The two party concept is so deeply engrained into the American mindset that there are a great many people who believe that it's demanded by the constitution.

Most Americans have surrendered to the idea that, even if a smaller party candidate was the absolute best representation of their personal beliefs, such a candidate is inferior. Americans believe they have a duty to stick to the two major parties. Most Americans have become positively hostile toward the idea of more than two parties.

These concepts simply don't exist in other countries.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Everyone sees it.

The fact Democrats in particular seem to be really pushing for choice rank voting should be the biggest clue that it's just a big con.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

And you evidence of this is where?

And even if true, if people are choosing a third party over the Republicans, what does that say about how people view the Republicans?

They are choosing third party not democrat party but their vote goes to the democrat party you dumbass leftist

 

[bigrebnc1775]

but, but, but......hes mean!!!

Yep a mean tweeter who hit back when attacked

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Fumy, the Dems say the same exact thing except they say it helps your tribe.

Weird

Thing is name an independent who votes with the Republicans?

 

[dblack]

The very essence of the whole idea is to hijack "smaller" candidates into the big party candidates. A Democrat only gets 48% of the vote, but the Green party candidate got 3% of the vote. Democrat wins! No need for a runoff. No need to treat the smaller party candidates as anything other than a AAA team for the big guys.

How does anyone not see this?

Because that's not how it works. With RCV a candidate can't win with 48% of the vote. It doesn't seem like you've read up on it.