Is 'Al Aqsa' mosque really located in Jerusalem?

[Daniyel]

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"The word “Jerusalem” does not appear in the Koran. Instead, the holy text holds that Mohammed was sent by God from Mecca to “al-Aksa,” and long-time convention holds that al-Aksa is located on the Temple Mount, haram el-Sharif, in the heart of ancient Jerusalem."

Al-Aqsa in Arabic means The Radical as for distant, Al-Quds (Arabic name for Jerusalem ) means The Holy however this name was invented by the locals, the actual name of Jerusalem in that times was Aelia Capitolina (Roman) which was mentioned in the Haidth (Islamic Scriptures ) later on as for 'Iliya' (Also used in Arabic) which is also the place the Hadiths mention the Hebrew name of the Holy Temple 'Bayt Al Maqdis' (As named in Hebrew 'Beit HaMikdash')

Any Opinions?

 

[MJB12741]

Mohammed invaded Jerusalem in 621 AD. Muslims claim the Al-Haram ash-Sharif as his point of ascendence into heaven. What right did Mohammed have to invade the Jewish holy city? And what right did Muslims have to build their Al Aqsa Mosque on the sight of Solomon's Temple?

 

[Roudy]

Mohammad never set foot or invaded Jerusalem, which is why this whole situation is even more ridiculous. At least Christianty can claim the land of Israel as where the faith was born.

According to the Koran, when Mohammad died, his spirit when to the al Aqsa (far away) mosque. It could have been any mosque that was far. The Koran never mentions a region, direction, or city for that mosque. The Koran does mention Jerusalem and Israel by confirming the story of exodus and that Moses (a prophet in Islam) led his people to the promised land of Israel where they are to dwell for eternity.

In fact, if you go by the Koran, there is no way the al Aqsa can be in Jerusalem or Israel, since Mohammad specifically instructed his followers not to face Jerusalem during prayer, for it is the holy to the Jews, all Muslims should face Mecca.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Israeli's should demolish it and be done with it.

 

[montelatici]

Mohammed invaded Jerusalem in 621 AD. Muslims claim the Al-Haram ash-Sharif as his point of ascendence into heaven. What right did Mohammed have to invade the Jewish holy city? And what right did Muslims have to build their Al Aqsa Mosque on the sight of Solomon's Temple?

The Arabs invaded a completely Christian Holy City in 621 AD, Jews were not allowed in Jerusalem under Roman (Byzantine Rome) Law.

Jews were only able to enter Jerusalem with the Arab conquerors. You should read up on history before demonstrating your pitiful lack of knowledge regarding the subject.

 

[Roudy]

Going back to the mosque. There is no evidence whatsoever that either the city of Jerusalem has been holy in any way, other than this made up myth. It was a mosque that was specifically built on the holiest site in Judaism as a symbol of Arab invasion and conquest. That's what they did, they invaded and tore down churches and made the land "Islamic".

 

[montelatici]

The Muslims did not "tear down the churches". Christians remained the majority in the city for centuries after the Arab conquest of Jerusalem.

Regarding the Mosque:

"In the first part of the Arab Period, the majority of the population was Christian. The construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 - the first Muslim shrine and the first major Islamic public building - was meant to counterbalance the Church of the Holy Sepulcre. Both the Dome of the Rock and the Church of the Holy Sepulcre have concentric plans, and their diameters are identical, but the Dome of the Rock is decorated with antitinitarian Quranic quotations.

"In 638, when Jerusalem was surrendered to the Muslims, Umar (the first caliph), requested to be led to the Temple Mount, an acknowledgment of Islam�s acceptance of the Hebraic prophetic tradition. After reaching the Temple Mount, the caliph found himself disgusted on seeing that Christians had heaped garbage in the sacred enclosure to express their contempt for the Judaic faith. Umar, out of respect for the Jews, ordered the area to be cleansed, an act which also prepared the sacred Jewish site for Muslim worship. Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church�s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.(4)"

http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

 

[waltky]

Mebbe it was originally outside the city wall...

... an' den the city council decided to annex it?...

... but don't quote me.

 

[Roudy]

The Muslims did not "tear down the churches". Christians remained the majority in the city for centuries after the Arab conquest of Jerusalem.

Regarding the Mosque:

"In the first part of the Arab Period, the majority of the population was Christian. The construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 - the first Muslim shrine and the first major Islamic public building - was meant to counterbalance the Church of the Holy Sepulcre. Both the Dome of the Rock and the Church of the Holy Sepulcre have concentric plans, and their diameters are identical, but the Dome of the Rock is decorated with antitinitarian Quranic quotations.

"In 638, when Jerusalem was surrendered to the Muslims, Umar (the first caliph), requested to be led to the Temple Mount, an acknowledgment of Islam�s acceptance of the Hebraic prophetic tradition. After reaching the Temple Mount, the caliph found himself disgusted on seeing that Christians had heaped garbage in the sacred enclosure to express their contempt for the Judaic faith. Umar, out of respect for the Jews, ordered the area to be cleansed, an act which also prepared the sacred Jewish site for Muslim worship. Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church�s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.(4)"

http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

If it weren't for Israel and the Jews, there wouldn't be a single church or synagogue left standing in the holy land. But here we go with another trolling attempt to change the topic back to same old same old Monte propaganda and garbage. The historical evidence shows that Jews kept coming back and populating throughout the Israel, despite the invasions and the bans. I've posted evidence to that effect.

But you still haven't been able to prove that the mosque or Jerusalem is in any way holy to Muslims other than it is another place for Muslim invaders to have planted their flag of Islam on yet another land they conquered.

 

[montelatici]

Mohammed invaded Jerusalem in 621 AD. Muslims claim the Al-Haram ash-Sharif as his point of ascendence into heaven. What right did Mohammed have to invade the Jewish holy city? And what right did Muslims have to build their Al Aqsa Mosque on the sight of Solomon's Temple?

Mohamed did not invade Jerusalem, and it was not a Jewish city, there were no Jews in Jerusalem, only Christians and it was a Christian Holy City that was invaded. Jerusalem fell in 637 or 638 AD, years after Mohamed's death.

 

[montelatici]

The Muslims did not "tear down the churches". Christians remained the majority in the city for centuries after the Arab conquest of Jerusalem.

Regarding the Mosque:

"In the first part of the Arab Period, the majority of the population was Christian. The construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 - the first Muslim shrine and the first major Islamic public building - was meant to counterbalance the Church of the Holy Sepulcre. Both the Dome of the Rock and the Church of the Holy Sepulcre have concentric plans, and their diameters are identical, but the Dome of the Rock is decorated with antitinitarian Quranic quotations.

"In 638, when Jerusalem was surrendered to the Muslims, Umar (the first caliph), requested to be led to the Temple Mount, an acknowledgment of Islam�s acceptance of the Hebraic prophetic tradition. After reaching the Temple Mount, the caliph found himself disgusted on seeing that Christians had heaped garbage in the sacred enclosure to express their contempt for the Judaic faith. Umar, out of respect for the Jews, ordered the area to be cleansed, an act which also prepared the sacred Jewish site for Muslim worship. Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church�s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.(4)"

http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

If it weren't for Israel and the Jews, there wouldn't be a single church or synagogue left standing in the holy land. But here we go with another trolling attempt to change the topic back to same old same old Monte propaganda and garbage. The historical evidence shows that Jews kept coming back and populating throughout the Israel, despite the invasions and the bans. I've posted evidence to that effect.

But you still haven't been able to prove that the mosque or Jerusalem is in any way holy to Muslims other than it is another place for Muslim invaders to have planted their flag of Islam on yet another land they conquered.

A place his Holy when a people decide it is Holy to them. The historical evidence shows that Jews were not returning to Palestine and there were hardly any Jews in Palestine before the Zionists began migrating from Europe. And those few Jews were there only thanks to the Muslims. The Christians would not allow Jews in the city.

There were plenty of churches in Palestine before the Zionists came. We have documentary film evidence of Christian clergy walking around Jerusalem in 1896 even after the Zionist hordes began their invasion and had settled in Jerusalem. It was very similar to the current Muslim invasion of Europe. Jews just kept coming and no one had the brains to see that their intention was to drive out the native people and set up their own state.

I hope the Europeans look at what happened in Palestine and stop the Muslim invasion.

 

[Hollie]

Mohammed invaded Jerusalem in 621 AD. Muslims claim the Al-Haram ash-Sharif as his point of ascendence into heaven. What right did Mohammed have to invade the Jewish holy city? And what right did Muslims have to build their Al Aqsa Mosque on the sight of Solomon's Temple?

Mohamed did not invade Jerusalem, and it was not a Jewish city, there were no Jews in Jerusalem, only Christians and it was a Christian Holy City that was invaded. Jerusalem fell in 637 or 638 AD, years after Mohamed's death.

It's rewarding to see that you're learning the history of Islamist colonialism and wars of conquest that define the largest part of Islamist history.

 

[Kondor3]

Israeli's should demolish it and be done with it.

No need.

Move the thing... much like one of the old London Bridge incarnations was moved to the American Southwest.

Take it apart, stone by stone, and catalog and document everything in minute detail, exquisitely, and add a foot of Temple Mount top-soil, then ship the whole shebang to Saudi Arabia...

Where they can re-assemble it in Mecca or Medinah, if they like, even billing the Israelis and/or the UN, if that'll make things go more smoothly...

This way, the Muslims have no reason to come back to Jerusalem, and their erzatz Ascension Spot is treated with more respect than the Hagia Sophia and so many other non-Muslim places of worship that the Neanderthal Muslims stole from their victims over the centuries...

That way, we don't have to deal with the al-Aqsa-in-Jerusalem question, one way or another.

If it's in Mecca or Medinah, the question goes away.

 

[Roudy]

The Muslims did not "tear down the churches". Christians remained the majority in the city for centuries after the Arab conquest of Jerusalem.

Regarding the Mosque:

"In the first part of the Arab Period, the majority of the population was Christian. The construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 - the first Muslim shrine and the first major Islamic public building - was meant to counterbalance the Church of the Holy Sepulcre. Both the Dome of the Rock and the Church of the Holy Sepulcre have concentric plans, and their diameters are identical, but the Dome of the Rock is decorated with antitinitarian Quranic quotations.

"In 638, when Jerusalem was surrendered to the Muslims, Umar (the first caliph), requested to be led to the Temple Mount, an acknowledgment of Islam�s acceptance of the Hebraic prophetic tradition. After reaching the Temple Mount, the caliph found himself disgusted on seeing that Christians had heaped garbage in the sacred enclosure to express their contempt for the Judaic faith. Umar, out of respect for the Jews, ordered the area to be cleansed, an act which also prepared the sacred Jewish site for Muslim worship. Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church�s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.(4)"

http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

If it weren't for Israel and the Jews, there wouldn't be a single church or synagogue left standing in the holy land. But here we go with another trolling attempt to change the topic back to same old same old Monte propaganda and garbage. The historical evidence shows that Jews kept coming back and populating throughout the Israel, despite the invasions and the bans. I've posted evidence to that effect.

But you still haven't been able to prove that the mosque or Jerusalem is in any way holy to Muslims other than it is another place for Muslim invaders to have planted their flag of Islam on yet another land they conquered.

A place his Holy when a people decide it is Holy to them. The historical evidence shows that Jews were not returning to Palestine and there were hardly any Jews in Palestine before the Zionists began migrating from Europe. And those few Jews were there only thanks to the Muslims. The Christians would not allow Jews in the city.

There were plenty of churches in Palestine before the Zionists came. We have documentary film evidence of Christian clergy walking around Jerusalem in 1896 even after the Zionist hordes began their invasion and had settled in Jerusalem. It was very similar to the current Muslim invasion of Europe. Jews just kept coming and no one had the brains to see that their intention was to drive out the native people and set up their own state.

I hope the Europeans look at what happened in Palestine and stop the Muslim invasion.

Irrelevant again. Pay attention, we are discussing if, when and how the al Aqsa mosque became holy to Islam, not your usual demented view of the history of Israel. Nor are we debating the significance of Jerusalem in Christianity.

So far we have nothing (religiously or historically) that proves that the mosque has any religious significance other than Muslims invaded and "decided" to make it holy, long after the Mohammad died. Do you have anything else? I didn't think so.

 

[montelatici]

The Muslims did not "tear down the churches". Christians remained the majority in the city for centuries after the Arab conquest of Jerusalem.

Regarding the Mosque:

"In the first part of the Arab Period, the majority of the population was Christian. The construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 - the first Muslim shrine and the first major Islamic public building - was meant to counterbalance the Church of the Holy Sepulcre. Both the Dome of the Rock and the Church of the Holy Sepulcre have concentric plans, and their diameters are identical, but the Dome of the Rock is decorated with antitinitarian Quranic quotations.

"In 638, when Jerusalem was surrendered to the Muslims, Umar (the first caliph), requested to be led to the Temple Mount, an acknowledgment of Islam�s acceptance of the Hebraic prophetic tradition. After reaching the Temple Mount, the caliph found himself disgusted on seeing that Christians had heaped garbage in the sacred enclosure to express their contempt for the Judaic faith. Umar, out of respect for the Jews, ordered the area to be cleansed, an act which also prepared the sacred Jewish site for Muslim worship. Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church�s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.(4)"

http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

If it weren't for Israel and the Jews, there wouldn't be a single church or synagogue left standing in the holy land. But here we go with another trolling attempt to change the topic back to same old same old Monte propaganda and garbage. The historical evidence shows that Jews kept coming back and populating throughout the Israel, despite the invasions and the bans. I've posted evidence to that effect.

But you still haven't been able to prove that the mosque or Jerusalem is in any way holy to Muslims other than it is another place for Muslim invaders to have planted their flag of Islam on yet another land they conquered.

A place his Holy when a people decide it is Holy to them. The historical evidence shows that Jews were not returning to Palestine and there were hardly any Jews in Palestine before the Zionists began migrating from Europe. And those few Jews were there only thanks to the Muslims. The Christians would not allow Jews in the city.

There were plenty of churches in Palestine before the Zionists came. We have documentary film evidence of Christian clergy walking around Jerusalem in 1896 even after the Zionist hordes began their invasion and had settled in Jerusalem. It was very similar to the current Muslim invasion of Europe. Jews just kept coming and no one had the brains to see that their intention was to drive out the native people and set up their own state.

I hope the Europeans look at what happened in Palestine and stop the Muslim invasion.

Irrelevant again. Pay attention, we are discussing if, when and how the al Aqsa mosque became holy to Islam, not your usual demented view of the history of Israel. Nor are we debating the significance of Jerusalem in Christianity.

So far we have nothing (religiously or historically) that proves that the mosque has any religious significance other than Muslims invaded and "decided" to make it holy, long after the Mohammad died. Do you have anything else? I didn't think so.

You seem to forget that Jesus Christ is the second most important prophet in Islam. But here is some historical perspective.

"The Dome of the Rock was built near the area formerly occupied by Herod's Temple and close by the Wailing Wall, the last remnant of Solomon's temple. The Dome of the Rock was constructed over the outcropping of limestone rock which Jewish tradition held to be the place of Abraham's intended sacrifice of Isaac. Islamic tradition points to the sacred rock as the place from which Muhammad began his Ascent to Heaven to receive Allah's (God in Arabic) final revelation. In building the Dome of the Rock, the earliest Arab rulers of Palestine expressed their reverence for Jerusalem, city of the prophets from Abraham and Moses to Jesus, culminating with Muhammad, the seal of the prophets. The Dome of the Rock is the oldest existing Islamic monument in the world and for most still the greatest. The building of the Dome was a symbol of Islamic inheritance from the triumph over the religions of Jews and Christians, and equally an expression of the insecurity of Muslims in a city dominated by Christians from the initial Arab conquest in 638 until Salah al-Din drove out the Crusaders in 1187. In making the Dome a taller, more imposing copy of the Holy Sepulcre, the architects were making visible to all Jerusalem's Christians the power and permanence of Islam in the Holy City."

http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

 

[Roudy]

The Muslims did not "tear down the churches". Christians remained the majority in the city for centuries after the Arab conquest of Jerusalem.

Regarding the Mosque:

"In the first part of the Arab Period, the majority of the population was Christian. The construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 - the first Muslim shrine and the first major Islamic public building - was meant to counterbalance the Church of the Holy Sepulcre. Both the Dome of the Rock and the Church of the Holy Sepulcre have concentric plans, and their diameters are identical, but the Dome of the Rock is decorated with antitinitarian Quranic quotations.

"In 638, when Jerusalem was surrendered to the Muslims, Umar (the first caliph), requested to be led to the Temple Mount, an acknowledgment of Islam�s acceptance of the Hebraic prophetic tradition. After reaching the Temple Mount, the caliph found himself disgusted on seeing that Christians had heaped garbage in the sacred enclosure to express their contempt for the Judaic faith. Umar, out of respect for the Jews, ordered the area to be cleansed, an act which also prepared the sacred Jewish site for Muslim worship. Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church�s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.(4)"

http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

If it weren't for Israel and the Jews, there wouldn't be a single church or synagogue left standing in the holy land. But here we go with another trolling attempt to change the topic back to same old same old Monte propaganda and garbage. The historical evidence shows that Jews kept coming back and populating throughout the Israel, despite the invasions and the bans. I've posted evidence to that effect.

But you still haven't been able to prove that the mosque or Jerusalem is in any way holy to Muslims other than it is another place for Muslim invaders to have planted their flag of Islam on yet another land they conquered.

A place his Holy when a people decide it is Holy to them. The historical evidence shows that Jews were not returning to Palestine and there were hardly any Jews in Palestine before the Zionists began migrating from Europe. And those few Jews were there only thanks to the Muslims. The Christians would not allow Jews in the city.

There were plenty of churches in Palestine before the Zionists came. We have documentary film evidence of Christian clergy walking around Jerusalem in 1896 even after the Zionist hordes began their invasion and had settled in Jerusalem. It was very similar to the current Muslim invasion of Europe. Jews just kept coming and no one had the brains to see that their intention was to drive out the native people and set up their own state.

I hope the Europeans look at what happened in Palestine and stop the Muslim invasion.

Irrelevant again. Pay attention, we are discussing if, when and how the al Aqsa mosque became holy to Islam, not your usual demented view of the history of Israel. Nor are we debating the significance of Jerusalem in Christianity.

So far we have nothing (religiously or historically) that proves that the mosque has any religious significance other than Muslims invaded and "decided" to make it holy, long after the Mohammad died. Do you have anything else? I didn't think so.

You seem to forget that Jesus Christ is the second most important prophet in Islam. But here is some historical perspective.

"The Dome of the Rock was built near the area formerly occupied by Herod's Temple and close by the Wailing Wall, the last remnant of Solomon's temple. The Dome of the Rock was constructed over the outcropping of limestone rock which Jewish tradition held to be the place of Abraham's intended sacrifice of Isaac. Islamic tradition points to the sacred rock as the place from which Muhammad began his Ascent to Heaven to receive Allah's (God in Arabic) final revelation. In building the Dome of the Rock, the earliest Arab rulers of Palestine expressed their reverence for Jerusalem, city of the prophets from Abraham and Moses to Jesus, culminating with Muhammad, the seal of the prophets. The Dome of the Rock is the oldest existing Islamic monument in the world and for most still the greatest. The building of the Dome was a symbol of Islamic inheritance from the triumph over the religions of Jews and Christians, and equally an expression of the insecurity of Muslims in a city dominated by Christians from the initial Arab conquest in 638 until Salah al-Din drove out the Crusaders in 1187. In making the Dome a taller, more imposing copy of the Holy Sepulcre, the architects were making visible to all Jerusalem's Christians the power and permanence of Islam in the Holy City."

http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

So like I said, Muslims invaded, then plopped their mosque over the remnants of Solomon's temple, which has been the holiest site in the Jewish faith before Christianity and certainly before Mohammad appeared on the scene. Therefore, again, no real evidence that the mosque is of any real significance to Muslims, other than a total unsubstantiated myth.

 

[montelatici]

The Muslims did not "tear down the churches". Christians remained the majority in the city for centuries after the Arab conquest of Jerusalem.

Regarding the Mosque:

"In the first part of the Arab Period, the majority of the population was Christian. The construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 - the first Muslim shrine and the first major Islamic public building - was meant to counterbalance the Church of the Holy Sepulcre. Both the Dome of the Rock and the Church of the Holy Sepulcre have concentric plans, and their diameters are identical, but the Dome of the Rock is decorated with antitinitarian Quranic quotations.

"In 638, when Jerusalem was surrendered to the Muslims, Umar (the first caliph), requested to be led to the Temple Mount, an acknowledgment of Islam�s acceptance of the Hebraic prophetic tradition. After reaching the Temple Mount, the caliph found himself disgusted on seeing that Christians had heaped garbage in the sacred enclosure to express their contempt for the Judaic faith. Umar, out of respect for the Jews, ordered the area to be cleansed, an act which also prepared the sacred Jewish site for Muslim worship. Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church�s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.(4)"

http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

If it weren't for Israel and the Jews, there wouldn't be a single church or synagogue left standing in the holy land. But here we go with another trolling attempt to change the topic back to same old same old Monte propaganda and garbage. The historical evidence shows that Jews kept coming back and populating throughout the Israel, despite the invasions and the bans. I've posted evidence to that effect.

But you still haven't been able to prove that the mosque or Jerusalem is in any way holy to Muslims other than it is another place for Muslim invaders to have planted their flag of Islam on yet another land they conquered.

A place his Holy when a people decide it is Holy to them. The historical evidence shows that Jews were not returning to Palestine and there were hardly any Jews in Palestine before the Zionists began migrating from Europe. And those few Jews were there only thanks to the Muslims. The Christians would not allow Jews in the city.

There were plenty of churches in Palestine before the Zionists came. We have documentary film evidence of Christian clergy walking around Jerusalem in 1896 even after the Zionist hordes began their invasion and had settled in Jerusalem. It was very similar to the current Muslim invasion of Europe. Jews just kept coming and no one had the brains to see that their intention was to drive out the native people and set up their own state.

I hope the Europeans look at what happened in Palestine and stop the Muslim invasion.

Irrelevant again. Pay attention, we are discussing if, when and how the al Aqsa mosque became holy to Islam, not your usual demented view of the history of Israel. Nor are we debating the significance of Jerusalem in Christianity.

So far we have nothing (religiously or historically) that proves that the mosque has any religious significance other than Muslims invaded and "decided" to make it holy, long after the Mohammad died. Do you have anything else? I didn't think so.

You seem to forget that Jesus Christ is the second most important prophet in Islam. But here is some historical perspective.

"The Dome of the Rock was built near the area formerly occupied by Herod's Temple and close by the Wailing Wall, the last remnant of Solomon's temple. The Dome of the Rock was constructed over the outcropping of limestone rock which Jewish tradition held to be the place of Abraham's intended sacrifice of Isaac. Islamic tradition points to the sacred rock as the place from which Muhammad began his Ascent to Heaven to receive Allah's (God in Arabic) final revelation. In building the Dome of the Rock, the earliest Arab rulers of Palestine expressed their reverence for Jerusalem, city of the prophets from Abraham and Moses to Jesus, culminating with Muhammad, the seal of the prophets. The Dome of the Rock is the oldest existing Islamic monument in the world and for most still the greatest. The building of the Dome was a symbol of Islamic inheritance from the triumph over the religions of Jews and Christians, and equally an expression of the insecurity of Muslims in a city dominated by Christians from the initial Arab conquest in 638 until Salah al-Din drove out the Crusaders in 1187. In making the Dome a taller, more imposing copy of the Holy Sepulcre, the architects were making visible to all Jerusalem's Christians the power and permanence of Islam in the Holy City."

http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

So like I said, Muslims invaded, then plopped their mosque over the remnants of Solomon's temple, which has been the holiest site in the Jewish faith before Christianity and certainly before Mohammad appeared on the scene. Therefore, again, no real evidence that the mosque is of any real significance to Muslims, other than a total unsubstantiated myth.

The Jews were irrelevant, there were no Jews in Palestine. It was the Muslims that allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem. And, as Jesus Christ is the last prophet before Mohammed for the Muslims the place of his death and resurrection is a Holy place for the Muslims even if their scripture did not have any other claim. such as Mohammed's ascent to heaven from Jerusalem. No more ridiculous than the burning bush.

 

[Roudy]

If it weren't for Israel and the Jews, there wouldn't be a single church or synagogue left standing in the holy land. But here we go with another trolling attempt to change the topic back to same old same old Monte propaganda and garbage. The historical evidence shows that Jews kept coming back and populating throughout the Israel, despite the invasions and the bans. I've posted evidence to that effect.

But you still haven't been able to prove that the mosque or Jerusalem is in any way holy to Muslims other than it is another place for Muslim invaders to have planted their flag of Islam on yet another land they conquered.

A place his Holy when a people decide it is Holy to them. The historical evidence shows that Jews were not returning to Palestine and there were hardly any Jews in Palestine before the Zionists began migrating from Europe. And those few Jews were there only thanks to the Muslims. The Christians would not allow Jews in the city.

There were plenty of churches in Palestine before the Zionists came. We have documentary film evidence of Christian clergy walking around Jerusalem in 1896 even after the Zionist hordes began their invasion and had settled in Jerusalem. It was very similar to the current Muslim invasion of Europe. Jews just kept coming and no one had the brains to see that their intention was to drive out the native people and set up their own state.

I hope the Europeans look at what happened in Palestine and stop the Muslim invasion.

Irrelevant again. Pay attention, we are discussing if, when and how the al Aqsa mosque became holy to Islam, not your usual demented view of the history of Israel. Nor are we debating the significance of Jerusalem in Christianity.

So far we have nothing (religiously or historically) that proves that the mosque has any religious significance other than Muslims invaded and "decided" to make it holy, long after the Mohammad died. Do you have anything else? I didn't think so.

You seem to forget that Jesus Christ is the second most important prophet in Islam. But here is some historical perspective.

"The Dome of the Rock was built near the area formerly occupied by Herod's Temple and close by the Wailing Wall, the last remnant of Solomon's temple. The Dome of the Rock was constructed over the outcropping of limestone rock which Jewish tradition held to be the place of Abraham's intended sacrifice of Isaac. Islamic tradition points to the sacred rock as the place from which Muhammad began his Ascent to Heaven to receive Allah's (God in Arabic) final revelation. In building the Dome of the Rock, the earliest Arab rulers of Palestine expressed their reverence for Jerusalem, city of the prophets from Abraham and Moses to Jesus, culminating with Muhammad, the seal of the prophets. The Dome of the Rock is the oldest existing Islamic monument in the world and for most still the greatest. The building of the Dome was a symbol of Islamic inheritance from the triumph over the religions of Jews and Christians, and equally an expression of the insecurity of Muslims in a city dominated by Christians from the initial Arab conquest in 638 until Salah al-Din drove out the Crusaders in 1187. In making the Dome a taller, more imposing copy of the Holy Sepulcre, the architects were making visible to all Jerusalem's Christians the power and permanence of Islam in the Holy City."

http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

So like I said, Muslims invaded, then plopped their mosque over the remnants of Solomon's temple, which has been the holiest site in the Jewish faith before Christianity and certainly before Mohammad appeared on the scene. Therefore, again, no real evidence that the mosque is of any real significance to Muslims, other than a total unsubstantiated myth.

The Jews were irrelevant, there were no Jews in Palestine. It was the Muslims that allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem. And, as Jesus Christ is the last prophet before Mohammed for the Muslims the place of his death and resurrection is a Holy place for the Muslims even if their scripture did not have any other claim. such as Mohammed's ascent to heaven from Jerusalem. No more ridiculous than the burning bush.

Bzzzzz wrong again, The Koran clearly gives Jerusalem to Jews, for eternity. So does Christianty. Therefore Jesus has nothing to do with Muslims and Jerusalem. Again the Mosque is simply Muslims plopping their flag of Islam by building a mosque on top of the holiest site in Judaism.

As far as your attempts to devolve this thread once again into your demented "there were no Jews" <LOL> Version of history, well there were, they never truly left and there's plenty of evidence to that effect. Open a thread regarding this matter and I will present the evidence, and embarrass you for the 100th time, otherwise stop derailing this thread!

 

[Challenger]

is treated with more respect than the Hagia Sophia

I've been there, it's a beautiful building, rather enhanced by the later aditions of minaret towers. The place had fallen into disrepair by 1453 until the Ottomans restored it to it's former glory and only the fact that the Turks treat it with great respect, has kept it standing. Only recently the Turkish authorities restored the great dome and as it's now a museum, all the iconography is being restored too. You should go and take a look sometime.

 

[Challenger]

What make me smile about all this, is the fact the nobody really knows where the Jewish temple was built. The latest theory, gaining more and more credibility the more archaeologists look into it, is the one that places the temple on the modern day hill called "Mount Zion" ("Mount Zion" seems to move around a lot, depending on who's agenda you are following ) about 800 south west of the "Dome of the Rock/Temple Mount/Al Aqsa mosque complex".

Seems the Jewish colonists/settlers in the 16th century had no real idea where the original temple was so they fixated on the so called "wailing wall" probably as it was old and looked the part. Now it's the "holiest site in Judaism"

Hey, whatever rocks your boat. Muslims have as much right to venerate Al Aqsa as Jewish people their Wall and Christians the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

I will, however, laugh my socks off if the Zionists go ahead and build their temple on the Temple Mount and nothing happens...No "Rapture"...no "Second Coming"...or any other "end times" event foretold in the various fantasy books you true believers read. And I'll still be laughing when you and your friends come to behead me/stone me/burn me at the stake (delete as applicable based on your religion).