Invitations to the Constitutional Convention

[$ecular#eckler]

So, who, and how would you compose an invitation to reorder the charter system to get things straightened out?

 

[$ecular#eckler]

President Obama,

Please accept this request for your participation in the United States Fourth Continental Congress to reorder the United States Constitution for the succeeding trials of the American Experiment.

You possess the trust of Black Americans, and have tremendous control of the 149 Black former members of your Administration who declared, “Expect to hear more from us. We plan to leave this country better than we found it. This is our home.”

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At this juncture of the effort, there are no rules. You are free to qualify your law firm in accordance with your preferences. Attached to this invitation is an introduction to the general problem with the subsisting American government model, a general idea for a solution, and then a general idea for organizing a graduated constitutional convention series. I am prepared to introduce a specific government model, however, that might challenge the intentions of your former Administration.

I do hope you will review the introduction and participate in the endeavor.

 

[Concerned American]

I do hope you will review the introduction and participate in the endeavor.

Yeah, NO!

 

[1srelluc]

I'd prefer Articles of Confederation being drawn up by like-minded states.....None of that Perpetual Union crap either......In other words, "no DC we are not going to do that anymore".

 

[White 6]

So, who, and how would you compose an invitation to reorder the charter system to get things straightened out?

Your house at 7:00, bring beer?

 

[$ecular#eckler]

White 6

There are no laws regulating the research and development of government charters as this website proves by its existence. Anybody, and any organization, including government employees, may work on and publish a charter candidate. There is no contradiction between defending the subsisting Constitution and participating in the processing of a succeeding charter. If that were not true then there would not be any government reform committees. The only persistent law regulating government charters seems to be “consent of the governed,” which was established as an American ideal in the Declaration of Independence.

As any advanced civics student knows, the primary author of the Declaration was Thomas Jefferson, and he suggested that charters be reconsidered by every generation. “The dead should not rule the living,” is how he summarized it.
The information presented thus far should be enough to compel the law and political science scholars into preliminary discussions concerning the separation of government. Physicists, doctors, engineers, computer programmers, and skilled technicians, will probably be the next group of professionals who will recognize the plausibility of the Demarcation of Law Theory. Their opinions will probably be the more noticeable call for any conventions to deliberate a new and improved government charter system. Contemplation and discussions concerning the reordering of the government charters is a building block to the revolution. All persons are advised to maintain accurate records of their innovative ideas for further review, and billable hours for any successful contributions to the composition of any adopted charters.

A municipal convention is declared upon the public convening of delegates from one municipality with state or federal judiciary supervision to process a charter candidate.

 

[PeterPilot]

Article V of the US Constitution provides for a Convention of States to remedy shortcomings and failures of the federal government. Today such failures are all around us.

Convention of States

 

[presonorek]

Article V of the US Constitution provides for a Convention of States to remedy shortcomings and failures of the federal government. Today such failures are all around us.

Convention of States

Isn't there an organization already working on a Convention of States?

 

[PeterPilot]

Isn't there an organization already working on a Convention of States?

Yes, that link takes to you its website.

 

[presonorek]

Yes, that link takes to you its website.

I will have to read it. Last time I heard they already had 19 states on board.

 

[M14 Shooter]

President Obama,

Far too partisan to be of any use on any such convention.
He is incapable of compromise.

 

[M14 Shooter]

So, who, and how would you compose an invitation to reorder the charter system to get things straightened out?

There's no real invitation process here - state legislatures appoint whoever it is they want to send.
People can refuse, of course, but the decision is ultimately made by them.

The best part is the states vote as states, not according to the number of delegates, so the votes from WY and MT mean the same as CA and NY.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Article V of the US Constitution provides for a Convention of States to remedy shortcomings and failures of the federal government. Today such failures are all around us.

Convention of States

Here is the text of Article V:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Far too partisan to be of any use on any such convention.
He is incapable of compromise.

Well, I want to know what he brings to the table - dumb ass. Your reverence for compromise is not as altruistic as you think. What if he does not have anything? Might you consider what that means?

 

[$ecular#eckler]

There's no real invitation process here - state legislatures appoint whoever it is they want to send.
People can refuse, of course, but the decision is ultimately made by them.

The best part is the states vote as states, not according to the number of delegates, so the votes from WY and MT mean the same as CA and NY.

I am not anticipating an amendment convention, because the three-branch government model is the primary problem and the only solution is a more sophisticated government separation model; and that requires a completely reordered charter.

Article V amendment rules do not apply to the reordering of a completely new charter.

Amendments to the subsisting American charters cannot correctly adjust the separation of government. The separation of government is related to the separation of the articles of its charter. This is the untold dilemma that the Founders encountered that forced them to abandon their commissions to amend the Articles of Confederation. The Founders could not amend the Articles, because the order of its articles was not compatible with the order needed to deploy the Three-part Separation Theory. The Founders needed Articles One, Two, and Three, to demarcate the three branches of government; subsequently, formatting the charter.

In essence, government chartering is much more similar to computer programming than architectural drafting, but when the rhetorical analogy was devised nobody understood computer programming. As computer programming has become better known, it seems that not enough computer programmers understand government chartering to correct the analogy. But that will change very soon, because there are several big-tech companies seeking to establish townships for their corporate employees.

It is the fault of the political scientists for having not already detected and revealed the amendment exception, the computer programming analogy, the inherent oligarchy contest in the Three-part Separation Theory, and the subsequent unformulated legal code that the system produces.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well, I want to know what he brings to the table - dumb ass.

Not hard to figure out, dumb ass - look at his record and read his speeches.

Your reverence for compromise is not as altruistic as you think.

W/o compromise, there's no new constitution - dumb ass.

What if he does not have anything? Might you consider what that means?

He has plenty, dumb ass - from his political point of view.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I am not anticipating an amendment convention, because the three-branch government model is the primary problem and the only solution is a more sophisticated government separation model; and that requires a completely reordered charter.

To do this, you need to amend the constitution.

Article V amendment rules do not apply to the reordering of a completely new charter.

Until the constitution is suspended or nullified - both requiring an amendment - it remains in place.

Sure, a bunch of guys can go into a room and create some new "charter", but it holds no force of law. and no one need pay it any heed.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

... and then they present it to the people to review. And there are a lot of people who are a lot smarter than you who will recognize that the three-branch government is inadequate. The American three-part model was a decent start-up, but it is not good enough for the unfurled system of thousands of partisan appointments (oligarchy) for the hundred-and-some security agencies, nor is the representation system adequate for the diversity of naive, addicted, deviant, and scholarly people that the society has evolved to.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Until the constitution is suspended or nullified - both requiring an amendment - it remains in place.

Where is any of that in the Constitution?

Government charters are not suspended or nullified. They are decommissioned - dumb ass. None of that stupid shit can happen until a new charter is ratified.

Any vision of a national gathering of delegates commissioned by the subsisting state politicians is probably not going to happen. The state officeholders do not know how to qualify delegates any better than anyone else. The state legislators only have the inclination to solicit dimwit crony political scientists from the state colleges for their “puppet show,” as is the subsisting standard procedure in state and municipal amendment conventions. The better ambition is to gather all of those who are inclined, talented, and skilled for the job to show up and do it, because they want to do it and know how to do it.

There is a possibility that scholars from different states may contest charter formulations (Federalist 51 Project), but the official national gatherings will probably be more ceremonial than legislative. The content of a modern formatted national charter will probably be ninety-nine percent composed at the state and regional levels, and agreed upon in the virtual environment of modern communications.

The final validation for a national charter candidate will probably be held in Philadelphia in commemoration of the Founders’ validation convention. Then after a successful state ratification tally, the decommissioning of the subsisting Constitution and the adoption of the succeeding charter will probably be held in New York City in commemoration of the Founders’ commencement in 1789.

Besides, where else would we start the largest parade the world has ever seen?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Where is any of that in the Constitution?
Government charters are not suspended or nullified. They are decommissioned - dumb ass.

I suggest you take Civics 101 at the local community college.
Get back to us after you do.

Oh look! A bunch of us got together and created a new charter for the US Government!!!
That's nice kid. Now go away

Dumb ass.