In case of sexual assault: Cologne vs. United States....

[Dogmaphobe]

I'm merely applying your standards to you.

:

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It looks more like you are simply indulging in mindless apologia in defense of the ingrained cultural misogyny involved through the use of a very childish Tu Quoque fallacy.

 

[Skylar]

And how many of the women who were attacked in Cologne were raped at gunpoint?

By the logic you're applying to me, you wanted many more women raped at gunpoint in Cologne and across Germany. So they can be more like us.

But why would Cologne want its women to be raped at gun points as you apparently do? Why would they want their rape rate, at about 9 per 100,000 to be more like ours......at 25 per 100,000?

Explain it to us.

See.....you lost the debate, and now you are going into full child mode....good for you.....

I'm merely applying your standards to you.

And can I take it from your stark refusal to answer my question, that you can't think of a reason why Germany wouuld want to be more like the US regarding rape?

I can't think of a single reason either.

Why would Germany want more of this:

Woman Getting Off Elevator Raped at Gunpoint, Another Robbed: NYPD

Suspect Rapes Woman Getting Off Elevator, Robs Another: NYPD

Or this...

Lena woman opens door for stranger, forcibly raped at gunpoint

Lena woman opens door for stranger, forcibly raped at gunpoint

Or this...

BATON ROUGE - Police accused a registered sex offender of raping a woman at gunpoint recently in Baton Rouge.

Officers charged 23-year-old Lilforest King with aggravated rape, armed robbery, kidnapping and being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Man accused of raping woman at gunpoint

Explain it to us.

Of course....as you descend into child like tantrums when faced with the truth......here we have actual research that shows that guns are the best tool for women to use to stop a violent rape........

And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

So more guns mean less rape? Then why with fewer guns does Germany have a rape rate of only 9 per 100,000.....while we are at about 25 per 100,000?

Because that would demonstrate the exact opposite of your claims. And of course, why would Cologne or Germany want more of this?

A Shreveport man has been indicted on a charge of aggravated rape in connection with a home invasion in which a woman was sexually assaulted at gunpoint.

Shreveport man indicted for rape of woman at gunpoint

Or this....

A 19-year-old man has been arrested in Louisiana, where he's been accused by authorities of locking a woman in his car and driving her to a remote area and raping her at gunpoint.

Police: Louisiana Man Drove Woman to Secluded Area and Raped Her at Gunpoint

Or this....

The Lake City Police Department is investigating the robbery and rape of a 23-year-old woman at gunpoint inside her home Tuesday night after four or five men forced their way through the front door.

Police investigating after Lake City woman robbed, raped in her home at gunpoint Tuesday

Or this....

Erie Police are trying to identify the suspect who reportedly raped a 14-year-old girl at gunpoint.

14-Year-Old Girl Raped at Gunpoint

Or this...

"...The bathroom light went off ... she peaked around the shower curtain and observed a male pointing a gun at her," a detective said in those documents.

They demanded money and asked where her bank cards were. The victim said she was ordered to lie on the floor of her bedroom.

Taylor allegedly sexually assaulted the victim at gunpoint while Watson went through the apartment, taking items that belonged to the victim and her roommate.

Suspects in Amanda Blackburn's murder charged in separate rape, burglary

Explain it to us. They have nearly 1/3 the rape rate we do. Do you think the rapes at gun point would go up.....or down if they tried to be more like us?

Do you think they could ever manage the 25 per 100,000 rape rate here? How many rapes at gunpoint would that take, do you think?

Our criminals like to rape women.....theirs don't rape as often....until they decided to import foreigners to commit the rapes that German male criminals just won't do anymore......

How many of those attacks in Cologne were at gunpoint?

And your solution is to make that *more* likely? Why would germany want more of this?

Allegheny County police have obtained an arrest warrant for a Wilmerding man wanted in the rape of a woman at gunpoint last fall and also named as a “person of interest” in two other sexual assaults in that area.

Police seek Wilmerding man in rape of woman at gunpoint

Or this...

LOUISVILLE, Ky. —A man faces multiple charges after police say he raped a woman at gunpoint.
Man accused of raping, robbing woman at gunpoint in alley

Or this...

PANAMA CITY — A teenager has been charged in adult court in connection with the rape of a juvenile girl at gunpoint, and he now could be facing life in prison, according to court records.

Teen charged in adult court for rape at gunpoint

Or this....

A 22-year-old man accused of raping three women at gunpoint will be arraigned Thursday in Clark County District Court, records show.

Man accused of raping 3 women at gunpoint faces arraignment

And your solution is that they should be more like us.....with more guns, off the chart murder rates, and nearly triple the rape rate?

Why.....why would they want that?

 

[Skylar]

And how many of the women who were attacked in Cologne were raped at gunpoint?

By the logic you're applying to me, you wanted many more women raped at gunpoint in Cologne and across Germany. So they can be more like us.

But why would Cologne want its women to be raped at gun points as you apparently do? Why would they want their rape rate, at about 9 per 100,000 to be more like ours......at 25 per 100,000?

Explain it to us.

See.....you lost the debate, and now you are going into full child mode....good for you.....

I'm merely applying your standards to you.

And can I take it from your stark refusal to answer my question, that you can't think of a reason why Germany wouuld want to be more like the US regarding rape?

I can't think of a single reason either.

Why would Germany want more of this:

Woman Getting Off Elevator Raped at Gunpoint, Another Robbed: NYPD

Suspect Rapes Woman Getting Off Elevator, Robs Another: NYPD

Or this...

Lena woman opens door for stranger, forcibly raped at gunpoint

Lena woman opens door for stranger, forcibly raped at gunpoint

Or this...

BATON ROUGE - Police accused a registered sex offender of raping a woman at gunpoint recently in Baton Rouge.

Officers charged 23-year-old Lilforest King with aggravated rape, armed robbery, kidnapping and being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Man accused of raping woman at gunpoint

Explain it to us.

Of course....as you descend into child like tantrums when faced with the truth......here we have actual research that shows that guns are the best tool for women to use to stop a violent rape........

And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

So more guns mean less rape? Then why with fewer guns does Germany have a rape rate of only 9 per 100,000.....while we are at about 25 per 100,000?

Because that would demonstrate the exact opposite of your claims. And of course, why would Cologne or Germany want more of this?

A Shreveport man has been indicted on a charge of aggravated rape in connection with a home invasion in which a woman was sexually assaulted at gunpoint.

Shreveport man indicted for rape of woman at gunpoint

Or this....

A 19-year-old man has been arrested in Louisiana, where he's been accused by authorities of locking a woman in his car and driving her to a remote area and raping her at gunpoint.

Police: Louisiana Man Drove Woman to Secluded Area and Raped Her at Gunpoint

Or this....

The Lake City Police Department is investigating the robbery and rape of a 23-year-old woman at gunpoint inside her home Tuesday night after four or five men forced their way through the front door.

Police investigating after Lake City woman robbed, raped in her home at gunpoint Tuesday

Or this....

Erie Police are trying to identify the suspect who reportedly raped a 14-year-old girl at gunpoint.

14-Year-Old Girl Raped at Gunpoint

Or this...

"...The bathroom light went off ... she peaked around the shower curtain and observed a male pointing a gun at her," a detective said in those documents.

They demanded money and asked where her bank cards were. The victim said she was ordered to lie on the floor of her bedroom.

Taylor allegedly sexually assaulted the victim at gunpoint while Watson went through the apartment, taking items that belonged to the victim and her roommate.

Suspects in Amanda Blackburn's murder charged in separate rape, burglary

Explain it to us. They have close to 1/3 the rape rate we do. Do you think the rapes at gun point would go up.....or down if they tried to be more like us?

Do you think they could ever manage the 25 per 100,000 rape rate here? How many rapes at gunpoint would that take, do you think?

And since you are slow....

And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

So Germany....with fewer guns, has fewer rapes. But the US, with more guns has more rapes.

But more guns mean *less* rapes? Your own example contradicts your narrative. Why would Germany want more of this?

TUSCALOOSA. Alabama -- A 26-year-old man was arrested in Tuscaloosa Wednesday and charged with first-degree rape and sodomy after he allegedly picked up a woman looking for a ride, took her to a secluded area and raped her next to his car.

Man allegedly rapes 44-year-old woman at gunpoint after giving her a ride in Tuscaloosa

And its not just women who are in danger:

A man was forced into a van and sexually assaulted by a group of men, D.C. police said.

The victim was walking on 14th Street in Northwest when a suspect with a gun forced him into the van. It happened before dark Friday night in the Columbia Heights area.
Man forced into van, sexually assaulted by group

Or more of this?

A female victim called police and said she was raped at gunpoint and that she was behind the old McKay’s Food Store in the area of the Patuxent Woods Head Start Preschool on Radford Lane.

Rape Reported in Lexington Park | Southern Maryland News Net

Or more of this?

A woman told authorities that an Alabama man raped her at gunpoint in North Lauderdale and told her he'd kill her, as he had 16 other women, if she ran away, according to an arrest report.

Man offered woman a drive home, raped her at gunpoint, deputies say

Or more of this?

About an hour later, another woman, 22, was walking on the 2000 block of East York Street in Kensington when a man approached her, pointed a handgun at her and forced her into a minivan, police said.

Police said the man drove her a short distance, sexually assaulted her, and let her out at Almond and Brown Streets.

Philly police ID Hunting Park rape suspect

What's in it for the Germans to be more like the Americans? I mean, more guns meant that our rape rate is lower than theirs, with less guns.

Right?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Do what the Russians do, put the sons of bitches in the hospital.

Refugees Go Clubbing In Russia, Harass Girls, Wake Up In Hospital The Next Morning

A group of 51 refugees were brutally assaulted outside a night club in Murmansk, Russia, after they groped and molested women at a night club Saturday.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/04/refugees-go-clubbing-in-russia-harass-girls-wake-up-in-hospital-the-next-morning/

 

[2aguy]

See.....you lost the debate, and now you are going into full child mode....good for you.....

I'm merely applying your standards to you.

And can I take it from your stark refusal to answer my question, that you can't think of a reason why Germany wouuld want to be more like the US regarding rape?

I can't think of a single reason either.

Why would Germany want more of this:

Woman Getting Off Elevator Raped at Gunpoint, Another Robbed: NYPD

Suspect Rapes Woman Getting Off Elevator, Robs Another: NYPD

Or this...

Lena woman opens door for stranger, forcibly raped at gunpoint

Lena woman opens door for stranger, forcibly raped at gunpoint

Or this...

BATON ROUGE - Police accused a registered sex offender of raping a woman at gunpoint recently in Baton Rouge.

Officers charged 23-year-old Lilforest King with aggravated rape, armed robbery, kidnapping and being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Man accused of raping woman at gunpoint

Explain it to us.

Of course....as you descend into child like tantrums when faced with the truth......here we have actual research that shows that guns are the best tool for women to use to stop a violent rape........

And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

So more guns mean less rape? Then why with fewer guns does Germany have a rape rate of only 9 per 100,000.....while we are at about 25 per 100,000?

Because that would demonstrate the exact opposite of your claims. And of course, why would Cologne or Germany want more of this?

A Shreveport man has been indicted on a charge of aggravated rape in connection with a home invasion in which a woman was sexually assaulted at gunpoint.

Shreveport man indicted for rape of woman at gunpoint

Or this....

A 19-year-old man has been arrested in Louisiana, where he's been accused by authorities of locking a woman in his car and driving her to a remote area and raping her at gunpoint.

Police: Louisiana Man Drove Woman to Secluded Area and Raped Her at Gunpoint

Or this....

The Lake City Police Department is investigating the robbery and rape of a 23-year-old woman at gunpoint inside her home Tuesday night after four or five men forced their way through the front door.

Police investigating after Lake City woman robbed, raped in her home at gunpoint Tuesday

Or this....

Erie Police are trying to identify the suspect who reportedly raped a 14-year-old girl at gunpoint.

14-Year-Old Girl Raped at Gunpoint

Or this...

"...The bathroom light went off ... she peaked around the shower curtain and observed a male pointing a gun at her," a detective said in those documents.

They demanded money and asked where her bank cards were. The victim said she was ordered to lie on the floor of her bedroom.

Taylor allegedly sexually assaulted the victim at gunpoint while Watson went through the apartment, taking items that belonged to the victim and her roommate.

Suspects in Amanda Blackburn's murder charged in separate rape, burglary

Explain it to us. They have nearly 1/3 the rape rate we do. Do you think the rapes at gun point would go up.....or down if they tried to be more like us?

Do you think they could ever manage the 25 per 100,000 rape rate here? How many rapes at gunpoint would that take, do you think?

Our criminals like to rape women.....theirs don't rape as often....until they decided to import foreigners to commit the rapes that German male criminals just won't do anymore......

How many of those attacks in Cologne were at gunpoint?

And your solution is to make that *more* likely? Why would germany want more of this?

Allegheny County police have obtained an arrest warrant for a Wilmerding man wanted in the rape of a woman at gunpoint last fall and also named as a “person of interest” in two other sexual assaults in that area.

Police seek Wilmerding man in rape of woman at gunpoint

Or this...

LOUISVILLE, Ky. —A man faces multiple charges after police say he raped a woman at gunpoint.
Man accused of raping, robbing woman at gunpoint in alley

Or this...

PANAMA CITY — A teenager has been charged in adult court in connection with the rape of a juvenile girl at gunpoint, and he now could be facing life in prison, according to court records.

Teen charged in adult court for rape at gunpoint

Or this....

A 22-year-old man accused of raping three women at gunpoint will be arraigned Thursday in Clark County District Court, records show.

Man accused of raping 3 women at gunpoint faces arraignment

And your solution is that they should be more like us.....with more guns, off the chart murder rates, and nearly triple the rape rate?

Why.....why would they want that?

See...what you fail to think about as you descend into child like argument......

Those rapes that you list with guns will still happen.......with knives, clubs, or the male criminals bare hands.....the problem with your point...is that when you make guns illegal for normal people to own....women have no way to stop any rape, wether it is done at gun point, knife point or by multiple rapists like they are now experiencing in Germany and the rest of Europe....

It is also why they are buying more hunting shot guns in Germany...though they can't really carry them around...

So when guns are illegal...women are still raped, they just can't stop it.......when normal people can own and carry guns...then women can actually stop the rape.....

And when guns are illegal.....those same criminals still get guns if they want them....normal people can't.....

 

[2aguy]

See.....you lost the debate, and now you are going into full child mode....good for you.....

I'm merely applying your standards to you.

And can I take it from your stark refusal to answer my question, that you can't think of a reason why Germany wouuld want to be more like the US regarding rape?

I can't think of a single reason either.

Why would Germany want more of this:

Woman Getting Off Elevator Raped at Gunpoint, Another Robbed: NYPD

Suspect Rapes Woman Getting Off Elevator, Robs Another: NYPD

Or this...

Lena woman opens door for stranger, forcibly raped at gunpoint

Lena woman opens door for stranger, forcibly raped at gunpoint

Or this...

BATON ROUGE - Police accused a registered sex offender of raping a woman at gunpoint recently in Baton Rouge.

Officers charged 23-year-old Lilforest King with aggravated rape, armed robbery, kidnapping and being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Man accused of raping woman at gunpoint

Explain it to us.

Of course....as you descend into child like tantrums when faced with the truth......here we have actual research that shows that guns are the best tool for women to use to stop a violent rape........

And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

So more guns mean less rape? Then why with fewer guns does Germany have a rape rate of only 9 per 100,000.....while we are at about 25 per 100,000?

Because that would demonstrate the exact opposite of your claims. And of course, why would Cologne or Germany want more of this?

A Shreveport man has been indicted on a charge of aggravated rape in connection with a home invasion in which a woman was sexually assaulted at gunpoint.

Shreveport man indicted for rape of woman at gunpoint

Or this....

A 19-year-old man has been arrested in Louisiana, where he's been accused by authorities of locking a woman in his car and driving her to a remote area and raping her at gunpoint.

Police: Louisiana Man Drove Woman to Secluded Area and Raped Her at Gunpoint

Or this....

The Lake City Police Department is investigating the robbery and rape of a 23-year-old woman at gunpoint inside her home Tuesday night after four or five men forced their way through the front door.

Police investigating after Lake City woman robbed, raped in her home at gunpoint Tuesday

Or this....

Erie Police are trying to identify the suspect who reportedly raped a 14-year-old girl at gunpoint.

14-Year-Old Girl Raped at Gunpoint

Or this...

"...The bathroom light went off ... she peaked around the shower curtain and observed a male pointing a gun at her," a detective said in those documents.

They demanded money and asked where her bank cards were. The victim said she was ordered to lie on the floor of her bedroom.

Taylor allegedly sexually assaulted the victim at gunpoint while Watson went through the apartment, taking items that belonged to the victim and her roommate.

Suspects in Amanda Blackburn's murder charged in separate rape, burglary

Explain it to us. They have close to 1/3 the rape rate we do. Do you think the rapes at gun point would go up.....or down if they tried to be more like us?

Do you think they could ever manage the 25 per 100,000 rape rate here? How many rapes at gunpoint would that take, do you think?

And since you are slow....

And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

So Germany....with fewer guns, has fewer rapes. But the US, with more guns has more rapes.

But more guns mean *less* rapes? Your own example contradicts your narrative. Why would Germany want more of this?

TUSCALOOSA. Alabama -- A 26-year-old man was arrested in Tuscaloosa Wednesday and charged with first-degree rape and sodomy after he allegedly picked up a woman looking for a ride, took her to a secluded area and raped her next to his car.

Man allegedly rapes 44-year-old woman at gunpoint after giving her a ride in Tuscaloosa

And its not just women who are in danger:

A man was forced into a van and sexually assaulted by a group of men, D.C. police said.

The victim was walking on 14th Street in Northwest when a suspect with a gun forced him into the van. It happened before dark Friday night in the Columbia Heights area.
Man forced into van, sexually assaulted by group

Or more of this?

A female victim called police and said she was raped at gunpoint and that she was behind the old McKay’s Food Store in the area of the Patuxent Woods Head Start Preschool on Radford Lane.

Rape Reported in Lexington Park | Southern Maryland News Net

Or more of this?

A woman told authorities that an Alabama man raped her at gunpoint in North Lauderdale and told her he'd kill her, as he had 16 other women, if she ran away, according to an arrest report.

Man offered woman a drive home, raped her at gunpoint, deputies say

Or more of this?

About an hour later, another woman, 22, was walking on the 2000 block of East York Street in Kensington when a man approached her, pointed a handgun at her and forced her into a minivan, police said.

Police said the man drove her a short distance, sexually assaulted her, and let her out at Almond and Brown Streets.

Philly police ID Hunting Park rape suspect

What's in it for the Germans to be more like the Americans? I mean, more guns meant that our rape rate is lower than theirs, with less guns.

Right?

Oh...I get it now.....you are only upset when the guy rapes the woman using a gun......you have that anti gun phobia...if he simply rapes her with a knife or his barehands...you are good to go...right?

 

[theHawk]

I check the box that says she can shoot them with her concealed carry gun....you want them raped instead.......our points of view are very clear...and very different....

And how many of the women who were attacked in Cologne were raped at gunpoint?

By the logic you're applying to me, you wanted many more women raped at gunpoint in Cologne and across Germany. So they can be more like us.

A West Virginia man has been convicted of raping an East Pennsboro Township woman at gunpoint.

West Virginia man convicted in East Pennsboro Twp. rape-at-gunpoint case

A 14-year-old girl held against her will in a Bronx sex den for more than a month was force-fed drugs, raped at gunpoint, beaten and pimped out by her perverted captors, authorities said.

Teen rape victim force-fed drugs, pimped out by captors

But why would Cologne want its women to be raped at gun points as you apparently do? Why would they want their rape rate, at about 9 per 100,000 to be more like ours......at 25 per 100,000?

Explain it to us.

See.....you lost the debate, and now you are going into full child mode....good for you.....

I'm merely applying your standards to you.

And can I take it from your stark refusal to answer my question, that you can't think of a reason why Germany wouuld want to be more like the US regarding rape?

I can't think of a single reason either.

Why would Germany want more of this:

Woman Getting Off Elevator Raped at Gunpoint, Another Robbed: NYPD

Suspect Rapes Woman Getting Off Elevator, Robs Another: NYPD

Or this...

Lena woman opens door for stranger, forcibly raped at gunpoint

Lena woman opens door for stranger, forcibly raped at gunpoint

Or this...

BATON ROUGE - Police accused a registered sex offender of raping a woman at gunpoint recently in Baton Rouge.

Officers charged 23-year-old Lilforest King with aggravated rape, armed robbery, kidnapping and being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Man accused of raping woman at gunpoint

Explain it to us.

Of course....as you descend into child like tantrums when faced with the truth......here we have actual research that shows that guns are the best tool for women to use to stop a violent rape........

And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

So more guns mean less rape? Then why with fewer guns does Germany have a rape rate of only 9 per 100,000.....while we are at about 25 per 100,000?

Because that would demonstrate the exact opposite of your claims. And of course, why would Cologne or Germany want more of this?

A Shreveport man has been indicted on a charge of aggravated rape in connection with a home invasion in which a woman was sexually assaulted at gunpoint.

Shreveport man indicted for rape of woman at gunpoint

Or this....

A 19-year-old man has been arrested in Louisiana, where he's been accused by authorities of locking a woman in his car and driving her to a remote area and raping her at gunpoint.

Police: Louisiana Man Drove Woman to Secluded Area and Raped Her at Gunpoint

Or this....

The Lake City Police Department is investigating the robbery and rape of a 23-year-old woman at gunpoint inside her home Tuesday night after four or five men forced their way through the front door.

Police investigating after Lake City woman robbed, raped in her home at gunpoint Tuesday

Or this....

Erie Police are trying to identify the suspect who reportedly raped a 14-year-old girl at gunpoint.

14-Year-Old Girl Raped at Gunpoint

Or this...

"...The bathroom light went off ... she peaked around the shower curtain and observed a male pointing a gun at her," a detective said in those documents.

They demanded money and asked where her bank cards were. The victim said she was ordered to lie on the floor of her bedroom.

Taylor allegedly sexually assaulted the victim at gunpoint while Watson went through the apartment, taking items that belonged to the victim and her roommate.

Suspects in Amanda Blackburn's murder charged in separate rape, burglary

Explain it to us. They have close to 1/3 the rape rate we do. Do you think the rapes at gun point would go up.....or down if they tried to be more like us?

Do you think they could ever manage the 25 per 100,000 rape rate here? How many rapes at gunpoint would that take, do you think?

You lost the debate already. Now you are going back to ignoring the fact that Germany has a fraction of minorities that America does, and ignoring that minorities account for the vast majority of violent crimes in the US.

The low crime rates in Germany have zilch to do with "gun laws". Remove negroes and Latinos from the US population and the crime rates are the same or lower than Europe.