In 2019 we had fewer mass public shootings than in 2018...but....but how is that possible?
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2a gets his stats from the NRA and National Review. Mother Jones was a one-off. Don't trouble him with facts.
Mass Killings in US Hit New High in 2019 | 2019-12-30 | Security Magazine
You are a moron....
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
(Since then, the obama administration lowered the number to 3 instead of 4, to increase the number of mass public shootings.....since the 4 number wasn't racking up enough shootings...)
Here is a description of the criteria we use:
- The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
- The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
- The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
- Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
- We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.
2019....10 ( 7 according to the old standard)
2018... 12 ( 8 according to the old standard)
2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)
2016....6
2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)
2014....2 (4)
2013....5
2012....7
2011....3
2010....1
2009....4
2008....3
2007....4
2006....3
2005...2
2004....1
2003...1
2002 not listed so more than likely 0
2001....1
2000....1
1999....5
1998...3
1997....2
1996....1
1995...1
1994...1
1993...4
1992...2
1991...3
1990...1
1989...2
1988....1
1987...1
1986...1
1985... not listed so probably 0
1984...2
1983...not listed so probably 0
1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...
Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...
Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 75
(https://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2007/0419-lawn-mowers.php)
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf
Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369
Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851
Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001
gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760
Jesus dude, It is only necessary to post something once. Does the NRA pay you based on the bandwidth you suck up?
Can you dispute any of the information posted?
Eric Arthur Blair
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An opinion poll is not a fact, asshole! It is an often manipulated sampling of opinion from a sub set of the population which can be carefully selected to give the desired result.
Not saying your opinion poll is a fraud.. I'm saying it wouldn't be the first time a poll has skewed it's results (like taking this poll mere "days" after the horrific slaughter in Las Vegas as Gallup did).
Now go post your little smiley face white flag equivalent image on that, dishonest swine! (just as you do)
By the way, I have no opinion on the matter in particular. I wouldn't crusade for yet more
anti gun laws but I wouldn't mind them either as they are all duplicative feel good measures
that don't seem to have much effect.
I just don't want a liar like you to think he has won the day.
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DrLove
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Man, there are a lot of serious fact-adverse buttholes around here. You definitely qualify.
Do majority of NRA members support gun background checks?
Poll: Most NRA members support comprehensive background checks
Most Gun Owners Support Stricter Laws—Even NRA Members
The Vast Majority of Americans Support Universal Background Checks. Why Doesn’t Congress?
Americans Largely Support Gun Restrictions To 'Do Something' About Gun Violence
90% of Americans back background checks for all gun sales?
DrLove
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Can you dispute any of the information posted?[/QUOTE]
Already have - and so have others
Eric Arthur Blair
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I clicked one link randomly. It was from Time magazine. Time magazine? Really?
You seem too stupid to comprehend my first post so I'll repeat just one more time: Polls and opinion pieces from reliably left wing sources do not constitute facts! You have no idea
what facts are apparently.
If anything they guarantee skewed deceptive use of "facts" (leftist propaganda and agitprop) which is why a lying pig anus like yourself posts this stuff, undoubtedly. Have a nice day.
DrLove
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I clicked one link randomly. It was from Time magazine. Time magazine? Really?
You seem too stupid to comprehend my first post so I'll repeat just one more time: Polls and opinion pieces from reliably left wing sources do not constitute facts! You have no idea
what facts are apparently.
If anything they guarantee skewed deceptive use of "facts" (leftist propaganda and agitprop) which is why a lying pig anus like yourself posts this stuff, undoubtedly. Have a nice day.
So find me a poll that says most Americans don't want universal BG checks that isn't from the NRA, the manufacturers they represent or some barrel stroker site. Either chop chop or buzz off. Oh, and you have a nice day too!
Eric Arthur Blair
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You obviously don't read my posts or have the memory span of an insect, if any at all, because I already said I don't take sides here and though I feel even more restrictive gun laws are redundant and pointless there are better uses of my time than going down this gun ban rabbit hole.
Leftist dim wit Beto O'Rourke already proudly shouted out where this is all headed, if the leftist Alinskyite democrats could only get their shit together, which they can't.
My only point is any poll you dig up from Vox, or Time or Newsweak or the NY Times or any other pro left wing socialist rag is not proof of anything except for the fact that you can locate and cite such polls.
I already told you what polls are and how they are used and can be manipulated, like the Gallup poll you provided.
If most Americans overwhelmingly want even more restrictions on the 2nd Amendment then that's what we'll see.
But I think most Americans are seeing more and more how the left manipulates everything they touch (like the impeachment farce) and your tricks are lame now and predictable.
DrLove
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And you didn't read my request. Show me a poll, ANY poll from a legit pollster (Pew, Gallup, Quinnipiac, Monmouth, Emerson, Marist, Siena etc) that you feel isn't manipulated. Otherwise, have a nice day.
*It should be noted that I am a gun owner who doesn't want kooks and criminals buying guns at shows in many states from unlicensed dealers with nothing other than proof of age.
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2a gets his stats from the NRA and National Review. Mother Jones was a one-off. Don't trouble him with facts.
Mass Killings in US Hit New High in 2019 | 2019-12-30 | Security Magazine
Moron...none of the statistics I get are from the NRA......you moron.
I get my information from the Centers for Disease Control, the Department of Justice, in particular the FBI, and the Mass Public Shooting record from Mother Jones......
I cite all of my data, give long quotes....( which drives you asshats insane) and you can't refute them...
Mother Jones uses the FBI definition of Mass Public Shootings...and they list going back to 1981.
You asshats lie, you use the terms "Mass Killings" and other terms to conceal the fact that actual Mass Public Shootings are the rarest of rare crimes....again 10 in 2019, 12 in 2018, 11 in 2017......
This destroys your emotional, irrational claims for gun control.....
No one is being irrational. No one is interested in controlling or grabbing your ******* guns. Unless of course you are a kook or a criminal. 90% of Americans want NO exceptions on BG checks. That includes a vast majority of NRA members. Dems be da facts.
You mean other than each one of the democrat party candidates for President and their supporting organizations and as well as the democrat party itself? You mean other than them...right? You can also throw in left wing democrat party judges and justices...them too...right?
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2a gets his stats from the NRA and National Review. Mother Jones was a one-off. Don't trouble him with facts.
Mass Killings in US Hit New High in 2019 | 2019-12-30 | Security Magazine
Moron...none of the statistics I get are from the NRA......you moron.
I get my information from the Centers for Disease Control, the Department of Justice, in particular the FBI, and the Mass Public Shooting record from Mother Jones......
I cite all of my data, give long quotes....( which drives you asshats insane) and you can't refute them...
Mother Jones uses the FBI definition of Mass Public Shootings...and they list going back to 1981.
You asshats lie, you use the terms "Mass Killings" and other terms to conceal the fact that actual Mass Public Shootings are the rarest of rare crimes....again 10 in 2019, 12 in 2018, 11 in 2017......
This destroys your emotional, irrational claims for gun control.....
No one is being irrational. No one is interested in controlling or grabbing your ******* guns. Unless of course you are a kook or a criminal. 90% of Americans want NO exceptions on BG checks. That includes a vast majority of NRA members. Dems be da facts.
The facts are the people who respond to that poll don't know the issue.....that is a fact. If they did, they wouldn't support universal background checks...that is a fact.
DrLove
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2a gets his stats from the NRA and National Review. Mother Jones was a one-off. Don't trouble him with facts.
Mass Killings in US Hit New High in 2019 | 2019-12-30 | Security Magazine
Moron...none of the statistics I get are from the NRA......you moron.
I get my information from the Centers for Disease Control, the Department of Justice, in particular the FBI, and the Mass Public Shooting record from Mother Jones......
I cite all of my data, give long quotes....( which drives you asshats insane) and you can't refute them...
Mother Jones uses the FBI definition of Mass Public Shootings...and they list going back to 1981.
You asshats lie, you use the terms "Mass Killings" and other terms to conceal the fact that actual Mass Public Shootings are the rarest of rare crimes....again 10 in 2019, 12 in 2018, 11 in 2017......
This destroys your emotional, irrational claims for gun control.....
No one is being irrational. No one is interested in controlling or grabbing your ******* guns. Unless of course you are a kook or a criminal. 90% of Americans want NO exceptions on BG checks. That includes a vast majority of NRA members. Dems be da facts.
The facts are the people who respond to that poll don't know the issue.....that is a fact. If they did, they wouldn't support universal background checks...that is a fact.
LoL - First I was told that the polls are all manipulated and now I am told that people are too stupid to know what they want or even take a poll in the first place.
That's rich - LaPierre owes you a bonus
2aguy
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Americans who respond to those polls don't understand the issue, which is intentional on the part of the pollsters.....
If they understood that the only reason that anti-gun activists want universal background checks is to then demand universal gun registration, those poll numbers would change. And if they understood that universal gun registration is always the precursor to gun confiscation....as we know from actual human history and experience in Britain, France, Canada, Australia, Germany, Russia........and from various states around our country...those numbers would change.......
You don't know what you are talking about, you are not a serious individual.
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2a gets his stats from the NRA and National Review. Mother Jones was a one-off. Don't trouble him with facts.
Mass Killings in US Hit New High in 2019 | 2019-12-30 | Security Magazine
Moron...none of the statistics I get are from the NRA......you moron.
I get my information from the Centers for Disease Control, the Department of Justice, in particular the FBI, and the Mass Public Shooting record from Mother Jones......
I cite all of my data, give long quotes....( which drives you asshats insane) and you can't refute them...
Mother Jones uses the FBI definition of Mass Public Shootings...and they list going back to 1981.
You asshats lie, you use the terms "Mass Killings" and other terms to conceal the fact that actual Mass Public Shootings are the rarest of rare crimes....again 10 in 2019, 12 in 2018, 11 in 2017......
This destroys your emotional, irrational claims for gun control.....
No one is being irrational. No one is interested in controlling or grabbing your ******* guns. Unless of course you are a kook or a criminal. 90% of Americans want NO exceptions on BG checks. That includes a vast majority of NRA members. Dems be da facts.
The facts are the people who respond to that poll don't know the issue.....that is a fact. If they did, they wouldn't support universal background checks...that is a fact.
LoL - First I was told that the polls are all manipulated and now I am told that people are too stupid to know what they want or even take a poll in the first place.
That's rich - LaPierre owes you a bonus
Do you think you are the first anti-gun doofus to use the tired line that I work for the NRA....? You are just the latest in lazy, dumb, anti-gun hacks who can't explain away the truth, facts and reality of gun ownership in this country...who essentially has ignorance and emotion as their only arguing point in the debate.....
That is you, you dumb ass.
daveman
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A license to kill? Oh, so the shooters who shot people they weren't supposed to faced no consequences of their actions?
Are you sure?
DrLove
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You dumb ass anti-gunners........you have nothing ...... you have no arguments...... when you are shown actual facts from the CDC, the Department of Justice and even a left wing, anti-gun news source, Mother Jones......all you have is "blah blah blah, NRA....Blah blah blah....NRA..."
ARe you this lame in real life or just when you post?
Eric Arthur Blair
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I know I already covered this in post #28 yet it's like I never wrote a single word. And I know I already pointed out why the Gallup poll you cited was skewed. But you barge on completely oblivious to anything around you anyway.
DrLove
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2a gets his stats from the NRA and National Review. Mother Jones was a one-off. Don't trouble him with facts.
Mass Killings in US Hit New High in 2019 | 2019-12-30 | Security Magazine
Moron...none of the statistics I get are from the NRA......you moron.
I get my information from the Centers for Disease Control, the Department of Justice, in particular the FBI, and the Mass Public Shooting record from Mother Jones......
I cite all of my data, give long quotes....( which drives you asshats insane) and you can't refute them...
Mother Jones uses the FBI definition of Mass Public Shootings...and they list going back to 1981.
You asshats lie, you use the terms "Mass Killings" and other terms to conceal the fact that actual Mass Public Shootings are the rarest of rare crimes....again 10 in 2019, 12 in 2018, 11 in 2017......
This destroys your emotional, irrational claims for gun control.....
No one is being irrational. No one is interested in controlling or grabbing your ******* guns. Unless of course you are a kook or a criminal. 90% of Americans want NO exceptions on BG checks. That includes a vast majority of NRA members. Dems be da facts.
The facts are the people who respond to that poll don't know the issue.....that is a fact. If they did, they wouldn't support universal background checks...that is a fact.
LoL - First I was told that the polls are all manipulated and now I am told that people are too stupid to know what they want or even take a poll in the first place.
That's rich - LaPierre owes you a bonus
Do you think you are the first anti-gun doofus to use the tired line that I work for the NRA....? You are just the latest in lazy, dumb, anti-gun hacks who can't explain away the truth, facts and reality of gun ownership in this country...who essentially has ignorance and emotion as their only arguing point in the debate.....
That is you, you dumb ass.
Man, they pretty much allow every foul-mouthed racist, barrel stroking loon on the Internet post whatever they damn please here huh?
And where did you come up with the butt nugget that I am "anti-gun"? I'm a gun owner Pee Wee. And like me, a vast majority of gun owners support UBC's.
Do 97% of gun owners support universal background checks?
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