in 1940 Bolshevik Foreign Minister arrived by train in Berlin, received Guard of Honor and had friendly meet with Hitler. Totally not allies.

[Litwin]

He was there to discuss possibility of joining axis powers. That it was even possibility is my lesson N 712 “how to trigger tankies AND Moscow imperialists ”

 

[shockedcanadian]

It's clear Russia was helping Germany, the Neutrality Pact fueled their military.

It's the great question "how would the war have ended if Germany didn't attack Russia"?

Stalin was going to attack Germany apparently in a couple of years after he rebuilt his military but he killed so many of his generals that I highly doubt this was going to happen.

There is some irony in this though. Let's say Germany do not attack Russia and thus Russia doesn't join the Axis power.

America continues their pursuit of the atomic bomb and get there first.

Germany is still in the war rather than having surrendered at this point.

As such the first atomic bomb is dropped on Berlin.

It's possible that war between Russia and the West is a higher possibility at that point as Russia might have been worried due to them assisting Germany in their need of oil, who knows?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It's clear Russia was helping Germany, the Neutrality Pact fueled their military.

It's the great question "how would the war have ended if Germany didn't attack Russia"?

Stalin was going to attack Germany apparently in a couple of years after he rebuilt his military but he killed so many of his generals that I highly doubt this was going to happen.

There is some irony in this though. Let's say Germany do not attack Russia and thus Russia doesn't join the Axis power.

America continues their pursuit of the atomic bomb and get there first.

Germany is still in the war rather than having surrendered at this point.

As such the first atomic bomb is dropped on Berlin.

It's possible that war between Russia and the West is a higher possibility at that point as Russia might have been worried due to them assisting Germany in their need of oil, who knows?

Draw Play

Stalin purposely provoked Hitler and ordered a fake retreat in western Russia so that he could trap the Nazis into rushing ahead without adequate supply lines. Only then did he wage a devastating counter-offensive with his real army hidden and waiting just east of European Russia.

He had to make it look like Russia would soon lose; that and the preemptive attack by Hitler would force America into the war before Germany got too strong by having all of Russia's resources, especially the oil.

The lies we're made to believe about history are only make-believe. They don't add up. Historians are never good at math.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Draw Play

Stalin purposely provoked Hitler and ordered a fake retreat in western Russia so that he could trap the Nazis into rushing ahead without adequate supply lines. Only then did he wage a devastating counter-offensive with his real army hidden and waiting just east of European Russia.

He had to make it look like Russia would soon lose; that and the preemptive attack by Hitler would force America into the war before Germany got too strong by having all of Russia's resources, especially the oil.

The lies we're made to believe about history are only make-believe. They don't add up. Historians are never good at math.

That's not the history I read. Nor the story told from those who were in Stalins inner circle.

Stalin was in deep depression for the first couple of weeks Russia was attacked. Germany was rolling in without much of a problem. Stalin was completely shell-shocked, perhaps even of the belief it was just a matter of time and he didn't know if they should fight back and unleash more wrath which would impact him, or, if he should surrender etc.

He had killed many of his best generals due to his paranoia and fear of having them take over the country via their military control. Eventually he broke out of it and focused on a hyper-patriotism and became a cult of personality to motivate his people to fight even as they were fodder, not allowed to retreat. In fact, their own soldiers were shot by generals if they dared to turn back.

Stalin was warned repeatedly by a now infamous spy but Stalin disregarded him. His hubris and disbelief cost his country.

It is said that after Russia won the war he was a better leader. More empathetic and even grateful to those who risked their lives and fought for Russia.

How "more empathetic" is to be defined is anyones guess. He certainly never became a Mother Theresa and is surely rotting in hell with Hitler if such a place exists.

 

[eagle7-31]

He was there to discuss possibility of joining axis powers. That it was even possibility is my lesson N 712 “how to trigger tankies AND Moscow imperialists ”

German–Soviet Axis talks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

that was not the only thing going on in the fall/winter of 1940.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

That's not the history I read. Nor the story told from those who were in Stalins inner circle.

Stalin was in deep depression for the first couple of weeks Russia was attacked. Germany was rolling in without much of a problem. Stalin was completely shell-shocked, perhaps even of the belief it was just a matter of time and he didn't know if they should fight back and unleash more wrath which would impact him, or, if he should surrender etc.

He had killed many of his best generals due to his paranoia and fear of having them take over the country via their military control. Eventually he broke out of it and focused on a hyper-patriotism and became a cult of personality to motivate his people to fight even as they were fodder, not allowed to retreat. In fact, their own soldiers were shot by generals if they dared to turn back.

Stalin was warned repeatedly by a now infamous spy but Stalin disregarded him. His hubris and disbelief cost his country.

It is said that after Russia won the war he was a better leader. More empathetic and even grateful to those who risked their lives and fought for Russia.

How "more empathetic" is to be defined is anyones guess. He certainly never became a Mother Theresa and is surely rotting in hell with Hitler if such a place exists.

Words Have No Authority

What makes you believe that Stalin let his "inner circle" know his true feelings? Even Solzhenitsyn believed that Stalin had trusted Hitler, which is totally against his well-known paranoiac character.

Another thing we're told that contradicts reality is that "Stalin kept his winter forces back because he was afraid of being attacked by Japan." But the great Marshal Zhukov had wrecked that Japanese strategy with a devastating defeat in Outer Mongolia a month before World War II even started.

Sometimes these hired histwhorians unintentionally reveal something significant. In The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Stalin made the ridiculous demand that Hitler let him take the oil in the Mideast. Anyone who escapes the mental rape-room of the library for the fresh air of the real world could tell that this trick was intentionally made to provoke Hitler into giving up on the alliance and finish Russia off with a quick blitzkrieg.

 

[Litwin]

Words Have No Authority

What makes you believe that Stalin let his "inner circle" know his true feelings? Even Solzhenitsyn believed that Stalin had trusted Hitler, which is totally against his well-known paranoiac character.

Another thing we're told that contradicts reality is that "Stalin kept his winter forces back because he was afraid of being attacked by Japan." But the great Marshal Zhukov had wrecked that Japanese strategy with a devastating defeat in Outer Mongolia a month before World War II even started.

Sometimes these hired histwhorians unintentionally reveal something significant. In The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Stalin made the ridiculous demand that Hitler let him take the oil in the Mideast. Anyone who escapes the mental rape-room of the library for the fresh air of the real world could tell that this trick was intentionally made to provoke Hitler into giving up on the alliance and finish Russia off with a quick blitzkrieg.

German–Soviet Axis talks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

that was not the only thing going on in the fall/winter of 1940.

The Gestapo and the NKVD: a history of Soviet-Nazi cooperation -

Cooperation between the NKVD and the Gestapo predated the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and was initially concerned with the deportation of Germans

lithuaniatribune.com

 

[whitehall]

Ukrainian soldiers served as guards in Nazi concentration camps. FDR referred to Stalin as "Uncle Joe".

 

[AZrailwhale]

Ukrainian soldiers served as guards in Nazi concentration camps. FDR referred to Stalin as "Uncle Joe".

It says something about the Soviets that many Ukrainians found the Nazis to be better.

 

[whitehall]

It says something about the Soviets that many Ukrainians found the Nazis to be better.

It also says something about the Ukrainians.

 

[Litwin]

Ukrainian soldiers served as guards in Nazi concentration camps. FDR referred to Stalin as "Uncle Joe".

 

[Litwin]

It also says something about the Ukrainians.

RT.ru crap

the reality :

 

[Litwin]

It says something about the Soviets that many Ukrainians found the Nazis to be better.

There was no famine. It was a "special agricultural operation".
- Moscow Bolshevik empire