Immigration Reform is now dead, taking with it the future of the GOP

[Jughead]

Sure, they may influence the urban areas. However, unless you include the illegals, no way will they turn Texas blue when you factor in rural Texas.

Um, yes, even when you factor in the rural areas. If the GOP does not do something to win back Hispanic voters, Texas will go blue. Depending upon who the GOP nominates for President, it could turn blue by 2016.

Let them have it but do not support it.

Send the Mexicans here to the back of the line at the front door.

Build the fence

-Geaux

Better yet. Start jailing employers who hire illegals. This will stop the practice, as no one wants to go to jail. Without a source of income, illegals will head back to their countries of origin.

 

[Jughead]

Without immigration reform, illegals will not become citizens.

Since when have Democrats required Citizenship in order to allow people to vote for them. Hell, they don't even require you to be alive to vote in Chicago.

Thankfully Texas currently has voter ID laws.

 

[Geaux4it]

Um, yes, even when you factor in the rural areas. If the GOP does not do something to win back Hispanic voters, Texas will go blue. Depending upon who the GOP nominates for President, it could turn blue by 2016.

Let them have it but do not support it.

Send the Mexicans here to the back of the line at the front door.

Build the fence

-Geaux

Better yet. Start jailing employers who hire illegals. This will stop the practice, as no one wants to go to jail. Without a source of income, illegals will head back to their countries of origin.

Or commit crimes to feed their families

-Geaux

 

[Jughead]

Let them have it but do not support it.

Send the Mexicans here to the back of the line at the front door.

Build the fence

-Geaux

Better yet. Start jailing employers who hire illegals. This will stop the practice, as no one wants to go to jail. Without a source of income, illegals will head back to their countries of origin.

Or commit crimes to feed their families

-Geaux

Yup, and then they'll be arrested, and go to jail.

 

[Seawytch]

Sure, they may influence the urban areas. However, unless you include the illegals, no way will they turn Texas blue when you factor in rural Texas.

Um, yes, even when you factor in the rural areas. If the GOP does not do something to win back Hispanic voters, Texas will go blue. Depending upon who the GOP nominates for President, it could turn blue by 2016.

Reality check ... without immigration reform, Texas will not turn blue ...

Democrats don’t have a chance of snagging Texas in a competitive presidential election any time soon. That’s because Latinos in Texas are disproportionately ineligible to vote. Too many either aren’t citizens or are too young to upend the state in the next few election cycles.

Blue Texas: Eight Charts Show Why it Won't Happen

Right...so how do you explain away a poll showing Hillary taking Texas? You don't think there will be crazy registration drives? Those charts show today, not 10 years from now...when the Hispanic population of Texas overtakes the white.

 

[Jughead]

Um, yes, even when you factor in the rural areas. If the GOP does not do something to win back Hispanic voters, Texas will go blue. Depending upon who the GOP nominates for President, it could turn blue by 2016.

Reality check ... without immigration reform, Texas will not turn blue ...

Democrats don’t have a chance of snagging Texas in a competitive presidential election any time soon. That’s because Latinos in Texas are disproportionately ineligible to vote. Too many either aren’t citizens or are too young to upend the state in the next few election cycles.

Blue Texas: Eight Charts Show Why it Won't Happen

Right...so how do you explain away a poll showing Hillary taking Texas? You don't think there will be crazy registration drives? Those charts show today, not 10 years from now...when the Hispanic population of Texas overtakes the white.

Hillary's popularity likely also factors in the illegals. Also keep in mind that when the Hispanic population of Texas overtakes the white, a good portion of those Hispanics are illegals. Immigration reform will not happen anytime soon, as we've seen with last night's results. Texas will not turn blue.

Even with the registration drives, Texas does indeed have voter ID laws, thus the drives will only be able to sign up those Hispanics that are citizens.

 

[Seawytch]

Reality check ... without immigration reform, Texas will not turn blue ...



Blue Texas: Eight Charts Show Why it Won't Happen

Right...so how do you explain away a poll showing Hillary taking Texas? You don't think there will be crazy registration drives? Those charts show today, not 10 years from now...when the Hispanic population of Texas overtakes the white.

Hillary's popularity likely also factors in the illegals. Also keep in mind that when the Hispanic population of Texas overtakes the white, a good portion of those Hispanics are illegals. Immigration reform will not happen anytime soon, as we've seen with last night's results. Texas will not turn blue.

Even with the registration drives, Texas does indeed have voter ID laws, thus the drives will only be able to sign up those Hispanics that are citizens.

Most of them ARE citizens and won't be illegal. Seriously though, I think it's great that the red states want to keep fighting against the immigration reform the majority of the country wants.

 

[Geaux4it]

Right...so how do you explain away a poll showing Hillary taking Texas? You don't think there will be crazy registration drives? Those charts show today, not 10 years from now...when the Hispanic population of Texas overtakes the white.

Hillary's popularity likely also factors in the illegals. Also keep in mind that when the Hispanic population of Texas overtakes the white, a good portion of those Hispanics are illegals. Immigration reform will not happen anytime soon, as we've seen with last night's results. Texas will not turn blue.

Even with the registration drives, Texas does indeed have voter ID laws, thus the drives will only be able to sign up those Hispanics that are citizens.

Most of them ARE citizens and won't be illegal. Seriously though, I think it's great that the red states want to keep fighting against the immigration reform the majority of the country wants.

Reform has many meanings such as deportation.

-Geaux

 

[Seawytch]

Hillary's popularity likely also factors in the illegals. Also keep in mind that when the Hispanic population of Texas overtakes the white, a good portion of those Hispanics are illegals. Immigration reform will not happen anytime soon, as we've seen with last night's results. Texas will not turn blue.

Even with the registration drives, Texas does indeed have voter ID laws, thus the drives will only be able to sign up those Hispanics that are citizens.

Most of them ARE citizens and won't be illegal. Seriously though, I think it's great that the red states want to keep fighting against the immigration reform the majority of the country wants.

Reform has many meanings such as deportation.

-Geaux

Try again

Immigration Polling

CBS News Poll.


"Which comes closest to your view about illegal immigrants who are living in the U.S.? They should be allowed to stay in the U.S. and eventually apply for citizenship. They should be allowed to stay in the U.S. legally, but not be allowed to apply for citizenship. OR, They should be required to leave the U.S."

1/17-21/14

Stay apply citizenship: 54% Stay not apply: 12% Have to leave: 31% Unsure/none: 4%

 

[The Rabbi]

We support Immigration Reform, we're just not going to do it Obama's Way

First, he's a pathological lair and you can't do business with him

Second, he has no respect for the law including his own

That actually was the reason immigration reform was dead long before Cantor's defeat. The GOP looked at Obama's actions and decided it didnt matter what law they passed, he would things his way. So why bother while he is president.
We desperately need immigration reform as our system is totally dysfunctional. Building a wall and hauling people off to camps won't really cut it though.

 

[Rotagilla]

Building a wall and hauling people off to camps won't really cut it though.

It would work just fine.
Don't just "haul people off to camps", though. We don't want them here. Period.

Follow that up with deportation within 48 hours of arrival at the camp and you have a winner.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The TP is claiming that Cantor's supposed support for Immigration Reform is the reason he lost. I am not sure that is totally true, but a chill is now passing through the establishment Republicans. They will run, not walk away, from anything that even resembles Immigration Reform. What does this mean?

This means the long term survival of the GOP is in serious trouble. As the GOP runs away from IR, the Hispanic community will further distance itself from the GOP. If this happens, demographic changes will make it near impossible for the GOP to maintain a majority in the House by 2020. National elections will be out of the questions and such reliable red states such as Texas and Louisiana could be turning blue. 2014 may be the GOP's last chance to win the Senate.

The battle within the GOP can only be seen as a plus for the Democrats, but they cannot sit on their laurels and expect to win. They need to continue to make IR a huge issues in all of their elections. There will be a time when the Hispanic Community steps away from the Dems, but it is nowhere in sight.

Opinions?

The problem right now is that we have laws for immigration and many aren't being enforced. Couple that with the mass exodus that sees a free ride from the O admin and you have a potentially deadly crisis at the border. Most of this is Os fault...not all of it.

 

[Anathema]

Most of them ARE citizens and won't be illegal. Seriously though, I think it's great that the red states want to keep fighting against the immigration reform the majority of the country wants.

You make the mistake of believing that what the majority wants is inherenetly what is good, right, decent, or even legal. That's a major failing in this country.... not understanding that Right and Wrong have absolutely nothing to do with majority/minority approval.

 

[Seawytch]

Most of them ARE citizens and won't be illegal. Seriously though, I think it's great that the red states want to keep fighting against the immigration reform the majority of the country wants.

You make the mistake of believing that what the majority wants is inherenetly what is good, right, decent, or even legal. That's a major failing in this country.... not understanding that Right and Wrong have absolutely nothing to do with majority/minority approval.

Yeah, well, not deporting kids who have lived here practically their whole lives is the right thing to do AND supported by a majority of Americans.

 

[Rotagilla]

Most of them ARE citizens and won't be illegal. Seriously though, I think it's great that the red states want to keep fighting against the immigration reform the majority of the country wants.

You make the mistake of believing that what the majority wants is inherenetly what is good, right, decent, or even legal. That's a major failing in this country.... not understanding that Right and Wrong have absolutely nothing to do with majority/minority approval.

Too bad! That's how a republic works.

...and who, pray tell, is more suited to decide what is "good" "right" "decent" and "legal" than the people? That's how governments work. (excluding dictatorships where the dictator decides what is "goodrightwrongdecentlegal" with no input from citizens.) See North Korea.

Save all that marxist social engineering doubletalk. It isn't selling.

 

[Rotagilla]

Yeah, well, not deporting kids who have lived here practically their whole lives is the right thing to do AND supported by a majority of Americans.

Illegal is the key word here. Not how long they've been here.


If a bank robber doesn't get caught for "practically his whole life" (whatever THAT means), should he be excused for committing the crime?

If a female gets raped and the rapist lives "practically his whole life" before DNA evidence catches him...should the rape be excused?

 

[jasonnfree]

Without immigration reform, illegals will not become citizens.

Since when have Democrats required Citizenship in order to allow people to vote for them. Hell, they don't even require you to be alive to vote in Chicago.

And any hopes of getting the hispanic vote is also tanked. Republicans will never learn.

If ANY candidate requires anything other than the AMERICAN vote to win, the system is truly in deep trouble.

Big money isn't required to show citizenship or i.d. to buy politicians. It's worse now since citizens united.

 

[NYcarbineer]

His support for Obama's Immigration Reform is what tanked him.

It tanked him in a district that Romney won by 15 points. Romney didn't win the country by 15 points, did he?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Obama won the Hispanic vote 71% to 27% over Romney.

How does moving the GOP to the right on immigration help them with the problem in those numbers?

Why wouldn't it simply make it worse?

If you want the GOP to be the party of conservative white males and their beaten down subservient wives,

fine. Just don't cry about losing almost every presidential election for the foreseeable future.

 

[Anathema]

Yeah, well, not deporting kids who have lived here practically their whole lives is the right thing to do AND supported by a majority of Americans

We will have to disagree on both parts of that. Not only is it the wrong thing to do (yes, the sins of the parents DO fall down to the children), and no true American accepts the idea that anyone being here without proper documentation and legal entry is appropriate.