Illegal Immigrant Can Carry Guns: Federal Judge

[excalibur]

Insanity! The Constitution is for the People, not for illegals.

But watch, this may be another nail in America's coffin if it stands and Dems will then see to it that the huge number of military age illegals get armed. Then the Second Civil War will indeed be upon us.

Oh, and a black female Øbam appointee judge.

U.S. District Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman rejected two motions to dismiss, but the third motion, based on a 2022 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, triggered the dismissal of the case on March 8.

“The noncitizen possession statute, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5), violates the Second Amendment as applied to Carbajal-Flores,” Judge Coleman, appointed under President Barack Obama, wrote in her 8-page ruling.

“Thus, the court grants Carbajal-Flores’ motion to dismiss.”

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The ruling drew a range of reactions from people in the legal community.

“Supreme Court has said the ‘people’ are members of the political community,” Larry Keane, a lawyer for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, wrote on X.

“Illegal aliens in US are not part of the political community and thus do not have 2A rights.”​

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[White 6]

Insanity! The Constitution is for the People, not for illegals.

But watch, this may be another nail in America's coffin if it stands and Dems will then see to it that the huge number of military age illegals get armed. Then the Second Civil War will indeed be upon us.

Oh, and a black female Øbam appointee judge.

U.S. District Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman rejected two motions to dismiss, but the third motion, based on a 2022 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, triggered the dismissal of the case on March 8.​

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“The noncitizen possession statute, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5), violates the Second Amendment as applied to Carbajal-Flores,” Judge Coleman, appointed under President Barack Obama, wrote in her 8-page ruling.​

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“Thus, the court grants Carbajal-Flores’ motion to dismiss.”​

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The ruling drew a range of reactions from people in the legal community.​

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“Supreme Court has said the ‘people’ are members of the political community,” Larry Keane, a lawyer for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, wrote on X.​

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“Illegal aliens in US are not part of the political community and thus do not have 2A rights.”​

ZeroHedge

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We don't agree often, but I agree with you on this one.

 

[BULLDOG]

It's what the NRA has been fighting for all these years.

 

[Lord-Humungus]

Gun control the right can support

 

[BULLDOG]

Carrying guns isn't dangerous. More guns less crime. Gun nuts tell me that all the time.

 

[MarathonMike]

It's what the NRA has been fighting for all these years.

Illegal means they aren't citizens and we know absolutely NOTHING about them. The NRA fights for the rights of citizens. I hope that was simple enough for you.

 

[The Duke]

Insanity! The Constitution is for the People, not for illegals.

But watch, this may be another nail in America's coffin if it stands and Dems will then see to it that the huge number of military age illegals get armed. Then the Second Civil War will indeed be upon us.

Oh, and a black female Øbam appointee judge.

U.S. District Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman rejected two motions to dismiss, but the third motion, based on a 2022 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, triggered the dismissal of the case on March 8.​

​

“The noncitizen possession statute, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5), violates the Second Amendment as applied to Carbajal-Flores,” Judge Coleman, appointed under President Barack Obama, wrote in her 8-page ruling.​

​

“Thus, the court grants Carbajal-Flores’ motion to dismiss.”​

​

...​

​

The ruling drew a range of reactions from people in the legal community.​

​

“Supreme Court has said the ‘people’ are members of the political community,” Larry Keane, a lawyer for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, wrote on X.​

​

“Illegal aliens in US are not part of the political community and thus do not have 2A rights.”​

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

We don't agree often, but I agree with you on this one.

I have to disagree with both of you. Unless they're convicted felons, they deserve the right to defend themselves with firearms. This goes to..some amendment..it's late, but whatever amendment offers them protection under the law and basic human rights.

 

[BULLDOG]

Illegal means they aren't citizens and we know absolutely NOTHING about them. The NRA fights for the rights of citizens. I hope that was simple enough for you.

More guns, safer streets. We both hear that all the time.

 

[excalibur]

More guns, safer streets. We both hear that all the time.

They're her illegally, already law breakers.

 

[BULLDOG]

They're her illegally, already law breakers.

So has that been proven in court. What if it's just someone who looks illegal, but was born and raised here?

 

[excalibur]

 

[Vastator]

I have to disagree with both of you. Unless they're convicted felons, they deserve the right to defend themselves with firearms. This goes to..some amendment..it's late, but whatever amendment offers them protection under the law and basic human rights.

Gotta disagree. Our constitution was meant for citizens, not foreign invaders. And "felon" or not, if they served their time, and were turned out into the public, they should be welcomed back into the fold, all rights, and privileges restored.

 

[Burgermeister]

“Lifetime disarmament of an individual based on alienage or nationality alone does not have roots in the history and tradition of the United States,” Mr. Carbajal-Flores’s lawyers argued.

People here illegally are not allowed to own a gun because they are actively breaking the law, not because they are from a different country. Legal aliens are allowed to own guns. Saying you can't restrict ownership base on "alienage" (the state of being an alien) is like saying you can't base it on criminal status. By this logic, all criminal background checks for owning a gun are unconstitutional.

A lot of these problems go away if we rule that only citizens and legal aliens have constitutional protection.

 

[Winston]

I have to disagree with both of you. Unless they're convicted felons, they deserve the right to defend themselves with firearms. This goes to..some amendment..it's late, but whatever amendment offers them protection under the law and basic human rights.

Your are correct, that is the 14th amendment.

nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
"any person", not "just citizens".

And in the case of felons,

https://cases.justia.com/federal/appellate-courts/ca7/18-1478/18-1478-2019-03-15.pdf?ts=1552685416

Read Amy Coney Barretts dissent in that case, advocating for gun right for non-violent convicted felons.

 

[Winston]

Gotta disagree. Our constitution was meant for citizens, not foreign invaders. And "felon" or not, if they served their time, and were turned out into the public, they should be welcomed back into the fold, all rights, and privileges restored.

The Constitution was written for "persons", not citizens.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Can Illegals now carry in gun free Chicago and NY?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Constitution was written for "persons", not citizens.

So Illegal persons can vote?

 

[1srelluc]

Well they need the tools to drive the blacks out of their blighted areas during this replacement stage going on.

Me, I'll take a barrio over a goblinville any day.

 

[Winston]

Do Illegal persons can vote?

Why yes, yes they can. More specifically, non-citizens are not prevented from voting in state and local elections by any federal law or regulation. They have the right to vote in state and local elections in California, Maryland, Vermont, and the District of Columbia.

At the Federal level non-citizens are prevented by voting by the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. However, if both the parents of the non-citizen were or are citizens, rather natural or adoptive, the non-citizen can legally vote in a federal election. If the non-citizen permanently resided in the US prior to their 16th birthday, and reasonably believed they were a citizen, they can vote and it is counted.

Laws permitting noncitizens to vote in the United States

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

 

[Harry Dresden]

More guns, safer streets. We both hear that all the time.

so get a fucking gun....they dont bite...