If the GOP was running a candidate with....

[CowboyTed]

europe's muslims asimiliate even worse than Muslims here

wait time for medical treatment are higher in europe

obama and YOU idiots were recently citing how much better our economy is here than in the european countries you idolize


that's why nobody takes Joe and Ted seriously

wait time for medical treatment are higher in europe

Lets compare that to two people with no insurance who present to a doctor. We have medical insurance here too(way lot cheaper) and there is no wait times. It is just because European universal care is so high that most people prefer to relie on there national insurance for cover.
Must say something considering Europe has lower child mortality rates, better public health programs, live longer.... Need we go on..

Oh yea, they spend almost half their GDP on healthcare than the US... So your problem is that they have been smart and figured how to look after all there people cheaper than the US has... I have shown it time and time again that government run universal coverage is cheaper than the private model.

 

[CowboyTed]

GOP - a party of "victims."

at this point you're simply laughable

Sorry Bedowin, you can't afford to laugh at anyone.. You post insults and incoherent arguments for not just this thread but many before...

You usually loose and then resort to straight out insults... Look you have been embarrassed in this thread again adn we are just waiting for the usual insult...

The way I look at that and the way you should look at your posts... If you were in a debating contest you would have been thrown out... You can just insult people, you would be asked to back up you claims with actual facts and evidence and it is expected that when your claims are rebuffed using evidence that choosing to ignore is admitting defeat.

 

[CowboyTed]

there are more failing and strugging european socialist democracies then successful ones.

libs are losers who lie to themselves

Some get it right some get it wrong but name a country which has no socialist programs which are successful. Name a country which has no government education program which is successful.

more moronic relativist arguments. we have more government programs that fail then ones that are successful.

the so-called entitlement programs have OVER $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATE LIABILITIES

Honestly, can't really answer that without some actual facts...

So list the entitlement programs you deem a failure and you want cut...

Could you put a value against them so we can see the savings as well.

 

[bedowin62]

europe's muslims asimiliate even worse than Muslims here

wait time for medical treatment are higher in europe

obama and YOU idiots were recently citing how much better our economy is here than in the european countries you idolize


that's why nobody takes Joe and Ted seriously

wait time for medical treatment are higher in europe

Lets compare that to two people with no insurance who present to a doctor. We have medical insurance here too(way lot cheaper) and there is no wait times. It is just because European universal care is so high that most people prefer to relie on there national insurance for cover.
Must say something considering Europe has lower child mortality rates, better public health programs, live longer.... Need we go on..

Oh yea, they spend almost half their GDP on healthcare than the US... So your problem is that they have been smart and figured how to look after all there people cheaper than the US has... I have shown it time and time again that government run universal coverage is cheaper than the private model.

live longer? diet and lifestyle more responsible for that. we have higher cancer survival rates; and THAT is directly related to gettign treatment earlier.

you're a walking talkiing point

 

[bedowin62]

GOP - a party of "victims."

at this point you're simply laughable

Sorry Bedowin, you can't afford to laugh at anyone.. You post insults and incoherent arguments for not just this thread but many before...

You usually loose and then resort to straight out insults... Look you have been embarrassed in this thread again adn we are just waiting for the usual insult...

The way I look at that and the way you should look at your posts... If you were in a debating contest you would have been thrown out... You can just insult people, you would be asked to back up you claims with actual facts and evidence and it is expected that when your claims are rebuffed using evidence that choosing to ignore is admitting defeat.

i havent lost anything. you're universally recognized as a clown on these boards. no that isnt a laughing matter

 

[bedowin62]

there are more failing and strugging european socialist democracies then successful ones.

libs are losers who lie to themselves

Some get it right some get it wrong but name a country which has no socialist programs which are successful. Name a country which has no government education program which is successful.

more moronic relativist arguments. we have more government programs that fail then ones that are successful.

the so-called entitlement programs have OVER $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATE LIABILITIES

Honestly, can't really answer that without some actual facts...

So list the entitlement programs you deem a failure and you want cut...

Could you put a value against them so we can see the savings as well.

Medicare by the Scary Numbers - Wall Street Journal
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Jun 24, 2013 - The unfunded liability in Medicare, the trustees tell us, is $34 trillion over ... Office in June 2012, the long-term shortfall is more than $100 trillion

 

[bedowin62]

GOP - a party of "victims."

at this point you're simply laughable

Sorry Bedowin, you can't afford to laugh at anyone.. You post insults and incoherent arguments for not just this thread but many before...

You usually loose and then resort to straight out insults... Look you have been embarrassed in this thread again adn we are just waiting for the usual insult...

The way I look at that and the way you should look at your posts... If you were in a debating contest you would have been thrown out... You can just insult people, you would be asked to back up you claims with actual facts and evidence and it is expected that when your claims are rebuffed using evidence that choosing to ignore is admitting defeat.

i have backed up what i posted. it's laughable for somebody like you to want to lecture me; seeing as you're crying about not backing things up when in reality you simply ignored the facts presented

 

[bedowin62]

[PDF]A Bleak Future - National Center for Policy Analysis
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Currently, about 100 million people depend on Medicare and Medicaid for their ... report shows that we have an unfunded liability in excess of $100 trillion (see

 

[easyt65]

GOP - a party of "victims."

Liberals have convince so many people that they are 'victims', that people 'OWE' them, and, in turn, have given them the excuse not to try, not to find a job, not to succeed, and to simply accept that the best they can hope for in life now is to live off the 'scraps' (Social Program hand-outs) that fall from the millionaire Socialist Liberal Progressive table. The GOP is NOT one of those groups that have bought into that B$!

 

[bedowin62]

there are more failing and strugging european socialist democracies then successful ones.

libs are losers who lie to themselves

Some get it right some get it wrong but name a country which has no socialist programs which are successful. Name a country which has no government education program which is successful.

more moronic relativist arguments. we have more government programs that fail then ones that are successful.

the so-called entitlement programs have OVER $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATE LIABILITIES

Honestly, can't really answer that without some actual facts...

So list the entitlement programs you deem a failure and you want cut...

Could you put a value against them so we can see the savings as well.

SS, Medicare and Medicaid will have to be reformed or they cant survive. most honest people are able to admit this.

Medicaid in particular can be cut since it is the most waste and fraud-ridden of the programs

 

[easyt65]

But everyday you are on here saying that all socialism is BAD. That is advocating Pure Capitalism.

Stating Socialism is 'bad' is NOT the same thing as 'advocating PURE Capitalism'. Good grief!

 

[bedowin62]

Medicare And Medicaid Fraud Is Costing Taxpayers Billions ...
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May 31, 2012 - Criminals scam Medicare and Medicaid — and taxpayers — out of billions of dollars a year; the federal government is addressing the problem, ...

 

[TNHarley]

...as much SCANDAL surrounding them as Hillary has, their 'politics of personal destruction' and media would be unmerifully crucifying them right now and would be demanding they drop out.

If a member of the GOP openly declared they were a member of the Socialist party they would demonize them for it....while the Democrats quietly embrace it within their own ranks. 10 years ago there is no way in hell an American would give a Socialist a 2nd thought...but I guess they have gotten used to it the last 7 years.

While the GOP candidates may not be the BEST choices, they are a far better choice than a lying, deceitful, failed, self-serving, scandal-plagued, power-hungry failure and an old self-proclaimed Socialist apostle of Saul Alynski that the Democrats are running as the best their party has to offer.

Oh, brother – more ridiculous whining from the right.

Whatever you may have to say about Hillary, the left IS running a self proclaimed socialist. Do you not see what that means?

Don't like it, don't vote for them.

Democracy.

Social Democracy has been a success all over the world. The Nordic countries as an example. The US has many socialist programs which it relies on to provide services that are needed and wanted by the people.

So you want an end to all socialism. So no roads, defense, police, fire dept.....

You are making yourselves look silly...

While I agree with your premise, that is called basic government services designated in our constitution. That comparison was silly...

 

[bedowin62]

Medicare and Medicaid Fraud, Waste, and Abuse
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Mar 9, 2011 - GAO has designated Medicare and Medicaid as high-risk programs because they are particularly vulnerable to fraud, waste, abuse, and

 

[TNHarley]

Socialism is terrible. How does Sanders plan on paying for all his shit? Pull a France or something? Fuck him
I LOVE me some capitalism. But any reasonable capitalist KNOWS that without some "social democracy" shit will hit the fan. Capitalists recognize something that the left doesn't even consider; human nature
Capitalism is what drives people to come here.
Capitalism made America great.
Capitalism will keep America great if the lazy fucks who cant wipe their own ass will back off.
More socialist leaning countries always lack something. Whether it be the ability to protect themselves, they don't accept immigrants etc. I would guess that is something else the left doesn't consider much.. It is all emotion.

 

[easyt65]

SS, Medicare and Medicaid will have to be reformed or they cant survive. most honest people are able to admit this.

Medicaid in particular can be cut since it is the most waste and fraud-ridden of the programs

SS is a Ponzi scheme, pure and simple. The Liberals all but said so themselves when they recently declared that America NEEDS illegals to participate in SS so that their contributions to SS will keep the program solvent. Ummm, that is the definition of 'Ponzi' scheme, one that dwarfs the one run by Bernie Madoff.

The problem with that argument, though, is that Libs are ushering in millions of un-skilled laborers, which means they are NOT going to be getting very good jobs and will end up NOT contributing as much into SS as they will end up collecting...and when they retire SS will be worse off than it is now.

P*O*N*Z*I Scheme!

 

[CowboyTed]

europe's muslims asimiliate even worse than Muslims here

wait time for medical treatment are higher in europe

obama and YOU idiots were recently citing how much better our economy is here than in the european countries you idolize


that's why nobody takes Joe and Ted seriously

wait time for medical treatment are higher in europe

Lets compare that to two people with no insurance who present to a doctor. We have medical insurance here too(way lot cheaper) and there is no wait times. It is just because European universal care is so high that most people prefer to relie on there national insurance for cover.
Must say something considering Europe has lower child mortality rates, better public health programs, live longer.... Need we go on..

Oh yea, they spend almost half their GDP on healthcare than the US... So your problem is that they have been smart and figured how to look after all there people cheaper than the US has... I have shown it time and time again that government run universal coverage is cheaper than the private model.

live longer? diet and lifestyle more responsible for that. we have higher cancer survival rates; and THAT is directly related to gettign treatment earlier.

you're a walking talkiing point

Again addressed before. That in the past has been put down more to culture and european men especially not getting screened enough.

 

[CowboyTed]

GOP - a party of "victims."

at this point you're simply laughable

Sorry Bedowin, you can't afford to laugh at anyone.. You post insults and incoherent arguments for not just this thread but many before...

You usually loose and then resort to straight out insults... Look you have been embarrassed in this thread again adn we are just waiting for the usual insult...

The way I look at that and the way you should look at your posts... If you were in a debating contest you would have been thrown out... You can just insult people, you would be asked to back up you claims with actual facts and evidence and it is expected that when your claims are rebuffed using evidence that choosing to ignore is admitting defeat.

i havent lost anything. you're universally recognized as a clown on these boards. no that isnt a laughing matter

You see, no addressing the actual discussion just insulting..

 

[CowboyTed]

there are more failing and strugging european socialist democracies then successful ones.

libs are losers who lie to themselves

Some get it right some get it wrong but name a country which has no socialist programs which are successful. Name a country which has no government education program which is successful.

more moronic relativist arguments. we have more government programs that fail then ones that are successful.

the so-called entitlement programs have OVER $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATE LIABILITIES

Honestly, can't really answer that without some actual facts...

So list the entitlement programs you deem a failure and you want cut...

Could you put a value against them so we can see the savings as well.

Medicare by the Scary Numbers - Wall Street Journal
www.wsj.com/.../SB1000142412788732339380...

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Jun 24, 2013 - The unfunded liability in Medicare, the trustees tell us, is $34 trillion over ... Office in June 2012, the long-term shortfall is more than $100 trillion

So you want to totally defund Medicare and let old people die in agony...

Please run on that platform.

 

[bedowin62]

there are more failing and strugging european socialist democracies then successful ones.

libs are losers who lie to themselves

Some get it right some get it wrong but name a country which has no socialist programs which are successful. Name a country which has no government education program which is successful.

more moronic relativist arguments. we have more government programs that fail then ones that are successful.

the so-called entitlement programs have OVER $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATE LIABILITIES

Honestly, can't really answer that without some actual facts...

So list the entitlement programs you deem a failure and you want cut...

Could you put a value against them so we can see the savings as well.

Medicare by the Scary Numbers - Wall Street Journal
www.wsj.com/.../SB1000142412788732339380...

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The Wall Street Journal
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Jun 24, 2013 - The unfunded liability in Medicare, the trustees tell us, is $34 trillion over ... Office in June 2012, the long-term shortfall is more than $100 trillion

So you want to totally defund Medicare and let old people die in agony...

Please run on that platform.

and to think; just a few minutes ago you accused me of not being a serious debater!!

lol; try another straw man leftard!