If handguns were banned and confiscated, how did this criminal shoot the victim in the face?

[2aguy]

Yep...gun control doesn't work anywhere......... gun crime is escalating in Australia, and this victim found out the hard way....with a bullet to the face....

Man shot in face by masked assailant at Brunswick Heads

 

[harmonica]

pulling the trigger

 

[H B Lowrie]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn, Australia can manage Australia.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yep...gun control doesn't work anywhere......... gun crime is escalating in Australia, and this victim found out the hard way....with a bullet to the face....

Man shot in face by masked assailant at Brunswick Heads

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

 

[HenryBHough]

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

Gun control doesn't even work in dictatorships. Like Britain will become once Red Jeremy is PM.

 

[2aguy]

Yep...gun control doesn't work anywhere......... gun crime is escalating in Australia, and this victim found out the hard way....with a bullet to the face....

Man shot in face by masked assailant at Brunswick Heads

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

You are confusing murder with other gun crime. You don't have to pull the trigger on a gun to end a life if you rob, rape or brutalize someone. Gun crime is increasing in Australia and Britain but their murder rates are not going up.....but they have more crime using illegal guns...

Gun control isn't working if there are more illegal guns getting into the hands of criminals....I have shown you the articles from British and Australian news sources that state that criminals are getting more guns illegally. That means their gun control laws are not working on criminals. You want to mix murder with gun control, and that doesn't work. A criminal with an illegal gun doesn't have to pull the trigger. You and your anti-gun buddies seem to think that a criminal with a gun must pull the trigger and end the life of the victim...that isn't the case.

And as I keep showing you...... more guns does not equal more crime...... 26 years of experience in the United States shows that this is true....more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our violent crime rate went down 72%. Britain banned and confiscated guns...you gun crime rate in London went up 42%....across England and Wales in 2016 23%, in 2017 16%....it is increasing, not going down... the British police have stated they cannot stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into Britain, which is exactly what Gun Control Failure is.....a failure to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yep...gun control doesn't work anywhere......... gun crime is escalating in Australia, and this victim found out the hard way....with a bullet to the face....

Man shot in face by masked assailant at Brunswick Heads

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

You are confusing murder with other gun crime. You don't have to pull the trigger on a gun to end a life if you rob, rape or brutalize someone. Gun crime is increasing in Australia and Britain but their murder rates are not going up.....but they have more crime using illegal guns...

Gun control isn't working if there are more illegal guns getting into the hands of criminals....I have shown you the articles from British and Australian news sources that state that criminals are getting more guns illegally. That means their gun control laws are not working on criminals. You want to mix murder with gun control, and that doesn't work. A criminal with an illegal gun doesn't have to pull the trigger. You and your anti-gun buddies seem to think that a criminal with a gun must pull the trigger and end the life of the victim...that isn't the case.

And as I keep showing you...... more guns does not equal more crime...... 26 years of experience in the United States shows that this is true....more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our violent crime rate went down 72%. Britain banned and confiscated guns...you gun crime rate in London went up 42%....across England and Wales in 2016 23%, in 2017 16%....it is increasing, not going down... the British police have stated they cannot stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into Britain, which is exactly what Gun Control Failure is.....a failure to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....

Oh Lord. The obvious assumption is that if we adopt crazy US laws then our murder rates will multiply five fold. We would have to be on crack to want that.

 

[2aguy]

Yep...gun control doesn't work anywhere......... gun crime is escalating in Australia, and this victim found out the hard way....with a bullet to the face....

Man shot in face by masked assailant at Brunswick Heads

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

You are confusing murder with other gun crime. You don't have to pull the trigger on a gun to end a life if you rob, rape or brutalize someone. Gun crime is increasing in Australia and Britain but their murder rates are not going up.....but they have more crime using illegal guns...

Gun control isn't working if there are more illegal guns getting into the hands of criminals....I have shown you the articles from British and Australian news sources that state that criminals are getting more guns illegally. That means their gun control laws are not working on criminals. You want to mix murder with gun control, and that doesn't work. A criminal with an illegal gun doesn't have to pull the trigger. You and your anti-gun buddies seem to think that a criminal with a gun must pull the trigger and end the life of the victim...that isn't the case.

And as I keep showing you...... more guns does not equal more crime...... 26 years of experience in the United States shows that this is true....more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our violent crime rate went down 72%. Britain banned and confiscated guns...you gun crime rate in London went up 42%....across England and Wales in 2016 23%, in 2017 16%....it is increasing, not going down... the British police have stated they cannot stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into Britain, which is exactly what Gun Control Failure is.....a failure to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....

Oh Lord. The obvious assumption is that if we adopt crazy US laws then our murder rates will multiply five fold. We would have to be on crack to want that.

Our gun murder rate went down 49% as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years...your gun crime rate went up 42% in London, your capitol.....on an island. Your police state they can't stop the flow of illegal guns into your country, and gun crime is going up, not down....you are doing it wrong, and it is going to get worse for you.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yep...gun control doesn't work anywhere......... gun crime is escalating in Australia, and this victim found out the hard way....with a bullet to the face....

Man shot in face by masked assailant at Brunswick Heads

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

You are confusing murder with other gun crime. You don't have to pull the trigger on a gun to end a life if you rob, rape or brutalize someone. Gun crime is increasing in Australia and Britain but their murder rates are not going up.....but they have more crime using illegal guns...

Gun control isn't working if there are more illegal guns getting into the hands of criminals....I have shown you the articles from British and Australian news sources that state that criminals are getting more guns illegally. That means their gun control laws are not working on criminals. You want to mix murder with gun control, and that doesn't work. A criminal with an illegal gun doesn't have to pull the trigger. You and your anti-gun buddies seem to think that a criminal with a gun must pull the trigger and end the life of the victim...that isn't the case.

And as I keep showing you...... more guns does not equal more crime...... 26 years of experience in the United States shows that this is true....more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our violent crime rate went down 72%. Britain banned and confiscated guns...you gun crime rate in London went up 42%....across England and Wales in 2016 23%, in 2017 16%....it is increasing, not going down... the British police have stated they cannot stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into Britain, which is exactly what Gun Control Failure is.....a failure to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....

Oh Lord. The obvious assumption is that if we adopt crazy US laws then our murder rates will multiply five fold. We would have to be on crack to want that.

Our gun murder rate went down 49% as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years...your gun crime rate went up 42% in London, your capitol.....on an island. Your police state they can't stop the flow of illegal guns into your country, and gun crime is going up, not down....you are doing it wrong, and it is going to get worse for you.

Will it be as bad as the US ?

 

[2aguy]

Yep...gun control doesn't work anywhere......... gun crime is escalating in Australia, and this victim found out the hard way....with a bullet to the face....

Man shot in face by masked assailant at Brunswick Heads

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

You are confusing murder with other gun crime. You don't have to pull the trigger on a gun to end a life if you rob, rape or brutalize someone. Gun crime is increasing in Australia and Britain but their murder rates are not going up.....but they have more crime using illegal guns...

Gun control isn't working if there are more illegal guns getting into the hands of criminals....I have shown you the articles from British and Australian news sources that state that criminals are getting more guns illegally. That means their gun control laws are not working on criminals. You want to mix murder with gun control, and that doesn't work. A criminal with an illegal gun doesn't have to pull the trigger. You and your anti-gun buddies seem to think that a criminal with a gun must pull the trigger and end the life of the victim...that isn't the case.

And as I keep showing you...... more guns does not equal more crime...... 26 years of experience in the United States shows that this is true....more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our violent crime rate went down 72%. Britain banned and confiscated guns...you gun crime rate in London went up 42%....across England and Wales in 2016 23%, in 2017 16%....it is increasing, not going down... the British police have stated they cannot stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into Britain, which is exactly what Gun Control Failure is.....a failure to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....

Oh Lord. The obvious assumption is that if we adopt crazy US laws then our murder rates will multiply five fold. We would have to be on crack to want that.

Our gun murder rate went down 49% as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years...your gun crime rate went up 42% in London, your capitol.....on an island. Your police state they can't stop the flow of illegal guns into your country, and gun crime is going up, not down....you are doing it wrong, and it is going to get worse for you.

Will it be as bad as the US ?

It will be worse......since your people won't have guns to defend themselves.... as the U.S. entered the 1960s our violent crime went through the roof....until the 1990s.... you are now entering a period of violence....and you won't have the option of arming yourselves to stop it.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

You are confusing murder with other gun crime. You don't have to pull the trigger on a gun to end a life if you rob, rape or brutalize someone. Gun crime is increasing in Australia and Britain but their murder rates are not going up.....but they have more crime using illegal guns...

Gun control isn't working if there are more illegal guns getting into the hands of criminals....I have shown you the articles from British and Australian news sources that state that criminals are getting more guns illegally. That means their gun control laws are not working on criminals. You want to mix murder with gun control, and that doesn't work. A criminal with an illegal gun doesn't have to pull the trigger. You and your anti-gun buddies seem to think that a criminal with a gun must pull the trigger and end the life of the victim...that isn't the case.

And as I keep showing you...... more guns does not equal more crime...... 26 years of experience in the United States shows that this is true....more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our violent crime rate went down 72%. Britain banned and confiscated guns...you gun crime rate in London went up 42%....across England and Wales in 2016 23%, in 2017 16%....it is increasing, not going down... the British police have stated they cannot stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into Britain, which is exactly what Gun Control Failure is.....a failure to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....

Oh Lord. The obvious assumption is that if we adopt crazy US laws then our murder rates will multiply five fold. We would have to be on crack to want that.

Our gun murder rate went down 49% as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years...your gun crime rate went up 42% in London, your capitol.....on an island. Your police state they can't stop the flow of illegal guns into your country, and gun crime is going up, not down....you are doing it wrong, and it is going to get worse for you.

Will it be as bad as the US ?

It will be worse......since your people won't have guns to defend themselves.... as the U.S. entered the 1960s our violent crime went through the roof....until the 1990s.... you are now entering a period of violence....and you won't have the option of arming yourselves to stop it.

So we should allow more guns and see our murder rates increase 5 fold. Thats your solution ?

 

[Likkmee]

While smoking a joint, high on cocaine and driving a stolen car. You take a wild guess "how" ?. Laws dont work. Shotguns do.

 

[2aguy]

You are confusing murder with other gun crime. You don't have to pull the trigger on a gun to end a life if you rob, rape or brutalize someone. Gun crime is increasing in Australia and Britain but their murder rates are not going up.....but they have more crime using illegal guns...

Gun control isn't working if there are more illegal guns getting into the hands of criminals....I have shown you the articles from British and Australian news sources that state that criminals are getting more guns illegally. That means their gun control laws are not working on criminals. You want to mix murder with gun control, and that doesn't work. A criminal with an illegal gun doesn't have to pull the trigger. You and your anti-gun buddies seem to think that a criminal with a gun must pull the trigger and end the life of the victim...that isn't the case.

And as I keep showing you...... more guns does not equal more crime...... 26 years of experience in the United States shows that this is true....more Americans own and carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%...our gun crime rate went down 75%....our violent crime rate went down 72%. Britain banned and confiscated guns...you gun crime rate in London went up 42%....across England and Wales in 2016 23%, in 2017 16%....it is increasing, not going down... the British police have stated they cannot stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into Britain, which is exactly what Gun Control Failure is.....a failure to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....

Oh Lord. The obvious assumption is that if we adopt crazy US laws then our murder rates will multiply five fold. We would have to be on crack to want that.

Our gun murder rate went down 49% as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years...your gun crime rate went up 42% in London, your capitol.....on an island. Your police state they can't stop the flow of illegal guns into your country, and gun crime is going up, not down....you are doing it wrong, and it is going to get worse for you.

Will it be as bad as the US ?

It will be worse......since your people won't have guns to defend themselves.... as the U.S. entered the 1960s our violent crime went through the roof....until the 1990s.... you are now entering a period of violence....and you won't have the option of arming yourselves to stop it.

So we should allow more guns and see our murder rates increase 5 fold. Thats your solution ?

Over 26 years as more Americans went out, bought guns and now carry them, our gun murder rate went down 49%.....our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%.....our crime rate has nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns.

Our crime rate has everything to do with democrat party politicians, judges and prosecutors letting violent criminals out of jail over and over again...if they stopped doing that, our crime rate would be even lower.


Meanwhile...all of your crime stats keep going up, including murder....

 

[harmonica]

Yep...gun control doesn't work anywhere......... gun crime is escalating in Australia, and this victim found out the hard way....with a bullet to the face....

Man shot in face by masked assailant at Brunswick Heads

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

he uses statistics FOR gun control as arguments AGAINST gun control
???
that tells you how ridiculous his anti-gun control arguments are

 

[Pilot1]

Governments the world over, including the U.S. hate that private citizens can have a means of self defense with a firearm. They want ultimate control, and a firearm lessens that control.

 

[2aguy]

Yep...gun control doesn't work anywhere......... gun crime is escalating in Australia, and this victim found out the hard way....with a bullet to the face....

Man shot in face by masked assailant at Brunswick Heads

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

he uses statistics FOR gun control as arguments AGAINST gun control
???
that tells you how ridiculous his anti-gun control arguments are

You meant that a country that has banned and confiscated guns has increasing gun crime...that is an argument for gun control? Really? You have a funny definition of gun control. Normal people can't have guns....and their gun crime rate keeps going up.....


Meanwhile....in the United States....over the last 26 years....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[harmonica]

Yep...gun control doesn't work anywhere......... gun crime is escalating in Australia, and this victim found out the hard way....with a bullet to the face....

Man shot in face by masked assailant at Brunswick Heads

It patently does work. More people have been killed in the US already this year than will be killed in Australia all year.

The US has around 5 gun deaths per 100k of population the Aussies have 1.

Please explain how gun control isnt working in countries that are many times safer than the US.

he uses statistics FOR gun control as arguments AGAINST gun control
???
that tells you how ridiculous his anti-gun control arguments are

You meant that a country that has banned and confiscated guns has increasing gun crime...that is an argument for gun control? Really? You have a funny definition of gun control. Normal people can't have guns....and their gun crime rate keeps going up.....


Meanwhile....in the United States....over the last 26 years....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

we've been over this a million times
the US has 21% MORE crime
Ranked 30th. 21% more than Australia
over 3 times the murders
etc etc
Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

 

[Pilot1]

we've been over this a million times
the US has 21% MORE crime
Ranked 30th. 21% more than Australia
over 3 times the murders
etc etc
Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

And we've also said this a million times. The stats are skewed by SUICIDES, and INNER CITY GANG VIOLENCE, due to America's unusually dense inner city Black population. Name another society in developed nations that have this characteristic.

 

[harmonica]

we've been over this a million times
the US has 21% MORE crime
Ranked 30th. 21% more than Australia
over 3 times the murders
etc etc
Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

And we've also said this a million times. The stats are skewed by SUICIDES, and INNER CITY GANG VIOLENCE, due to America's unusually dense inner city Black population. Name another society in developed nations that have this characteristic.

NO--NO--not suicides!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????
did you not look at the link????!!
MURDERS
you prove to be bullshit by mentioning suicides

these are MURDERS

 

[harmonica]

we've been over this a million times
the US has 21% MORE crime
Ranked 30th. 21% more than Australia
over 3 times the murders
etc etc
Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

And we've also said this a million times. The stats are skewed by SUICIDES, and INNER CITY GANG VIOLENCE, due to America's unusually dense inner city Black population. Name another society in developed nations that have this characteristic.

1. so what---we want less murders----yes???
2. AND you'll have to prove Aussies' murders are NOT the same category
please give us some stats on that