ICE arrests Palestinian activist who helped lead Columbia University protests, his lawyer says

[otto105]

You’re still prioritizing the Islamic terrorist supporting Jew-hater over the Jewish kids.

You sure have a lot of tolerance for antisemitism on campus. Jew-hate is at its highest peak since WWII, and you’re OK with HAMAS-supporting foreigners coming onto our soil and making it worse.

Libs would NEVER tolerate what’s going on if violence were against blacks, Muslims, or gays.

Wow, now he’s an Islamic terrorist?

Nice Lisa, didn’t know you could broad jump.

 

[Meister]

No surprise there. Seems like neither you nor Trump is a fan of the first amendment. This isn't straight out of a dictators 101 playbook at all, nope. Move along, nothing to see here.

Seems like your tribe is no fan of the First Amendment.

 

[Marener]

You’re still prioritizing the Islamic terrorist supporting Jew-hater over the Jewish kids.

You sure have a lot of tolerance for antisemitism on campus. Jew-hate is at its highest peak since WWII, and you’re OK with HAMAS-supporting foreigners coming onto our soil and making it worse.

Libs would NEVER tolerate what’s going on if violence were against blacks, Muslims, or gays.

I’m prioritizing the first amendment, something you clearly don’t care about.

You don’t care because your first amendment rights are never going to be in question. You’ll happily deprive people outside your political in-group because you can.

You don’t get to outlaw speech because you don’t like it.

People like you lash out at others all the time, and it might make some people afraid that they’ll be subject to violence. I don’t think that you should lose your rights to speak.

 

[krichton]

Seems like your tribe is no fan of the First Amendment.

Are democrats having student protestors arrested?

 

[Lisa558]

I’m prioritizing the first amendment, something you clearly don’t care about.

You don’t care because your first amendment rights are never going to be in question. You’ll happily deprive people outside your political in-group because you can.

You don’t get to outlaw speech because you don’t like it.

People like you lash out at others all the time, and it might make some people afraid that they’ll be subject to violence. I don’t think that you should lose your rights to speak.

There are limits to the First Amendment. It does not include inciting violence.

 

[krichton]

Nope... it's just a matter of takin' out the (IslamoNazi) trash...

Even actual Nazis have a right to protest. That's the whole point of the first amendment. Freedom of the press, right to assemble, Freedom of speech. The only trash here are those who want to eliminate our bill of rights.

 

[Meister]

Are democrats having student protestors arrested?

You are a very narrow minded person, aren't you?
Your tribe doesn't even know what the First Amendment even entails.
They need to educate themselves to the First Amendment, as well as you

How embarrassing

 

[Meister]

There are limits to the First Amendment. It does not include inciting violence.

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BINGO!!!!!!!!

 

[Meister]

Even actual Nazis have a right to protest. That's the whole point of the first amendment. Freedom of the press, right to assemble, Freedom of speech. The only trash here are those who want to eliminate our bill of rights.

Try yelling "FIRE!" in a movie theatre, and see where you end up.

 

[Lesh]

Washington — President Trump warned Monday that this weekend's arrest of prominent Palestinian activist Mahmoud Khalil by federal immigration authorities is the first "of many to come" amid his administration's crackdown on students and alleged "agitators" protesting Israel's war with Hamas in Gaza. The same day, a federal judge blocked Khalil's deportation and scheduled a court hearing after Khalil's attorney filed a petition challenging the arrest.

The president wrote in a post on his social media platform Truth Social that his administration "will not tolerate" what he said is "pro-terrorist, anti-Semitic, anti-American" activity on college campuses across the country, and claimed the protests are being waged by "paid agitators" rather than students. As a student at Columbia University last spring, Khalil helped lead demonstrations protesting Israel and the war in Gaza.

"We will find, apprehend, and deport these terrorist sympathizers from our country — never to return again," Mr. Trump wrote. "If you support terrorism, including the slaughtering of innocent men, women, and children, your presence is contrary to our national and foreign policy interests, and you are not welcome here. We expect every one of America's Colleges and Universities to comply."

The president said the Saturday night arrest of Khalil is "the first arrest of many to come."

MSN

Now here is a man who has said "We are Westerners fighting for the total eradication of Western society." Let that sink in for a minute.

Trump is going to deport these enemies within, and I for one say good riddance. What say you?

So what law did this guy break?

 

[Lesh]

It's illegal for a green card holder to openly support terrorism.

Openly support terrorism?

How exactly did he do that?

 

[krichton]

This goes way further than free speech. He overplayed his hand, and became a National security threat because of his affiliation to terrorist orgs, now he’ll pay the price.

"Affiliation." False accusations are the tried and true method every dictator uses to arrest anyone who dares protest in their country. They'll automatically labeled as "terrorists" or affiliated with "terrorists" in order to silence them.

 

[CowboyTed]

Inciting violence against Jews should be a crime. Maybe it is. Get that useless POS out of here and send Tlaib with him.

He objected to Israeli actions in Gaza... I can see that...

But what crime did he actually commit?

He didn't take part in the takeover and only spoke at the event I believe... He knew his status and chose not to break the law....

Supporting Palestinians is not supporting Hamas... We have explained that to MAGA on numerous occasions,,,

He is a green card holder and legal resident who gets due process....

I would be very concerned that the arresting officers initially thought he was in US because of a Student Visa and didn't know his status (from article below)...

Mahmoud Khalil’s treatment should not happen in a democracy | Moustafa Bayoumi

The Columbia University graduate’s arrest is an attempt to destroy free thinking while murdering due process

www.theguardian.com

Has anyone got any proof of him actually supporting Hamas or knowingly accepting their support.

Sorry, but unless the Administration have a slam dunk case here, it looks like intimidation tactics that should be rebuked by any one who believes in an individuals right to protest.

 

[j-mac]

Nothing like a selective reading of the law to declare the matter settled with a theatrical flourish. You wave INA 237(a)(4)(C) around like it’s the trump card (pun intended), but is it? I don't think so, to wit:

Nothing selective about it...It's the law under 8 USC 1227. And, Oh YOU think so....Well then put in a call to reverse the Universe...Rumpy no nuts thinks so....

First, "reasonable grounds to believe" is a deliberately vague standard--more bureaucratic hunch than legal certainty. Yes, the government can assert that someone’s presence is a foreign policy problem, but that doesn’t mean they’ll win that argument in court. Case in point: Kleindienst v. Mandel upheld the government’s power to deny entry for speech, but when it comes to deportation, courts have been far less deferential--because unlike a visa holder, a green card holder has constitutional protections.

You willing to take that argument all the way to the Supreme court? The law is clear...And I even highlighted the pertinent parts for you, I am surprised you aren't rethinking that approach....

You’d have a point if Khalil were waving a rifle instead of a sign, but he was engaging in political speech, and Bridges v. Wixon made it clear that noncitizens in the U.S. still have First Amendment rights. Your citation of INA 237 might give DHS some legal cover to act, but it doesn’t guarantee that action survives judicial scrutiny--particularly under modern First Amendment jurisprudence, which has made it harder, not easier, for the government to punish speech.

Well, I gotta give it to ya. You're thinking this one through. Too bad there is little a defense lawyer or a judge can do about it...The Secretary of State believes this man is a National Security threat...And I think you'll be surprised how fast this man will be on a Plane...

And then there’s the viewpoint discrimination problem. You’re comfortable deporting Khalil for pro-Palestinian speech, but if someone publicly advocated for Israel’s annexation of the West Bank in a way that inflamed foreign policy tensions, would they be on a plane too? Of course not, because this isn’t about “serious foreign policy consequences,” it’s about targeting a specific political stance under the guise of national security. The Supreme Court hates viewpoint-based restrictions (Rosenberger v. Rector) and, given the Court’s recent free speech absolutism, Trump’s crackdown is likely to hit a constitutional wall.

It's not me. I'm just a truck driver buddy....But, I do understand when the law is that clear, and know enough to know that when a person here is deemed a National Security threat...That person is either locked deep in Super Max, or deported immediately. That's just a fact.

So no, this isn’t "Kabuki theater." It’s a live legal battle with stakes higher than your armchair pronouncements allow. Maybe Khalil loses, maybe he doesn’t--but the notion that the matter is closed because Marco Rubio scrawled a letter and ICE knocked on a door is, frankly, laughable. This one is heading for the courts, and if recent history is any guide, the government’s case isn’t nearly as bulletproof as you pretend.

I don't believe you should be a confident as you are that any of that will pass muster in keeping, or delaying the obvious in the law. If i were a betting man, I'd say he'll be outta here in the next week, if not sooner.

 

[krichton]

Try yelling "FIRE!" in a movie theatre, and see where you end up.

Yelling fire in a crowded theater isn't protesting the government. You are extremely unintelligent.

 

[krichton]

Fire in a theater dude, fire in a theater.

Yall can't be this dumb right? Read what I wrote to Meister in post #206

 

[Meister]

Yelling fire in a crowded theater isn't protesting the government. You are extremely unintelligent.

My point is the Freedom of Speech has it's limitations, something you
are not aware of from your postings.

 

[Contumacious]

There is no Palestine. Never was.

Here we go , Conservatives lose credibility when they make asinine statements such as " There is No Palestine, never was. " . Specially when former Israeli Prime Minister GOLDA MEIR states that she was a Palestinian and carried a PALESTINIAN PASSPORT until 1948:

 

[krichton]

Why should non-citizens in the US be allowed to protest our government's actions? Actions have consequences. Of course I didn't think Trump would pardon Rhodes .... so ...... both parties hold partisanship over patriotism. imo

Because it's the most important bill of right in our constitution.

 

[j-mac]

So what law did this guy break?

Here we go again with someone who can't read....

INA 237 (a)(4)(c)

Section 237(a)(4)(C)(i) renders deportable “[a]n alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States…”

Read it carefully.