I guess this makes perfect sense

[Alpha1]

again. you are full of shit.

Anyone is capable of being against the administration's inept use of military force to attempt to carry out a failed foreign policy on one hand, and totally supporting the members of the united states military on the other.

to suggest that, criticism of the administration must stop when one soldier claims such criticism hurts his morale is laughable. Folks in uniform know that civilians back home debate foreign policy all the time. If any of them have a hard time dealing with that, they should go see they squad leader for a pep talk. Their reaction to debate at home should not cause that debate to cease.

to suggest that, criticism of the administration must stop when one soldier claims such criticism hurts his morale is laughable.

The flip side of the coin being...

to suggest that, the war must stop when one soldier claims the US is pursuing a failed foreign policy is even more laughable.

 

[maineman]

to suggest that, criticism of the administration must stop when one soldier claims such criticism hurts his morale is laughable.

The flip side of the coin being...

to suggest that, the war must stop when one soldier claims the US is pursuing a failed foreign policy is even more laughable.

I would never base my opinion on the claims of any one person.

It seems to me that the vast majority of Americans now believe, as I do, that the war in Iraq is a result of a failed foreign policy. I am hardly alone.

 

[Alpha1]

I would never base my opinion on the claims of any one person.

It seems to me that the vast majority of Americans now believe, as I do, that the war in Iraq is a result of a failed foreign policy. I am hardly alone.

Neither would I....nor would I base my beliefs on any 80 of 100 people....or else I would be a believer instead of an agnostic....
being in the majority does not make one right....

 

[maineman]

Neither would I....nor would I base my beliefs on any 80 of 100 people....or else I would be a believer instead of an agnostic....
being in the majority does not make one right....

I believe I am right because of my own understanding. the fact that others feel like I do is their business.

 

[DeadCanDance]

There is a difference between criticizing a war, and not supporting it.

You can criticize all you want, but when your actions lead to troop demoralization
or to giving up critical means that we gather intel
or that you are trying to cut funding of the war
or you are calling the troops Commander in Chief all kinds of things including a liar
when you claim the war is unwinnable
and when you actually actively try to end the war without us attaining our desired results, or at least giving the troops enough of an opportunity to try,

when you call our enemy "partiots"

when you call the war illegal, hence calling the troops criminals

when you actively try to disqualify their votes

when you blatantly disrespect the office of their Commander in Chief

When the liberal media continuously only portraits the negative side of what is going on there

when they seek out the 1 in 50 soldier who opposes being there and give him tons of attention while ignoring the 49 who think they are doing the right thing

when you actively root for us to lose

yea, I would say that is NOT supporting the troops
The soldiers who are there, by a vast majority, respect and trust and believe in President BUsh, If you support the troops you would give their Commander in Chief the same respect.

If you supported the troops, then, even if you opposed going in, you would support the war effort til its succesful conclusion

If you support the troops you would respect THEIR desire to stay until the goals and objectives are met.

LOL

I doubt I've ever seen a more partisan and unprincipled post.

Face it dude. You're a complete partisan on this. When republicans criticized the bosnia/kosovo wars, you're totally excusing them, for the same behaviour your criticizing democrats for. And in contrast to the costly ill-managed, and bloody iraq war, the bosnia/kosovo campaigns were extrordinarily well executed and managed, without a single american death.

 

[Gunny]

LOL

I doubt I've ever seen a more partisan and unprincipled post.

Face it dude. You're a complete partisan on this. When republicans criticized the bosnia/kosovo wars, you're totally excusing them, for the same behaviour your criticizing democrats for. And in contrast to the costly ill-managed, and bloody iraq war, the bosnia/kosovo campaigns were extrordinarily well executed and managed, without a single american death.

I think I already addressed YOUR partisan comparison of two completely different wars as if they were the same.

 

[DeadCanDance]

Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly."

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country"

-Pat Buchanan (R)

"These international war criminals were led by Gen. Wesley Clark ... who clicked his shiny heels for the commander-in-grief, Bill Clinton."

-Michael Savage

"This has been an unmitigated disaster ... Ask the Chinese embassy. Ask all the people in Belgrade that we've killed. Ask the refugees that we've killed. Ask the people in nursing homes. Ask the people in hospitals."

-Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"It is a remarkable spectacle to see the Clinton Administration and NATO taking over from the Soviet Union the role of sponsoring "wars of national liberation."

-Representative Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)


“No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That’s why I’m against it.”

– Sean Hannity on Clinton’s War in Kosovo, 1999

 

[Anti-Sycophant]

bring the troops home and send Bush instead. The American public is sick of this unwarranted war and want to see Bush face the guillotine.

 

[Gunny]

Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly."

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country"

-Pat Buchanan (R)

"These international war criminals were led by Gen. Wesley Clark ... who clicked his shiny heels for the commander-in-grief, Bill Clinton."

-Michael Savage

"This has been an unmitigated disaster ... Ask the Chinese embassy. Ask all the people in Belgrade that we've killed. Ask the refugees that we've killed. Ask the people in nursing homes. Ask the people in hospitals."

-Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"It is a remarkable spectacle to see the Clinton Administration and NATO taking over from the Soviet Union the role of sponsoring "wars of national liberation."

-Representative Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)


“No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That’s why I’m against it.”

– Sean Hannity on Clinton’s War in Kosovo, 1999

Is this where I quote your stances on Iran and Global Warming? Not too many double-standards are as black and white opposites as those.

 

[Shogun]

Is this where I quote your stances on Iran and Global Warming? Not too many double-standards are as black and white opposites as those.

what? no comprendo

 

[LuvRPgrl]

again. you are full of shit.

Anyone is capable of being against the administration's inept use of military force to attempt to carry out a failed foreign policy on one hand, and totally supporting the members of the united states military on the other.

to suggest that, criticism of the administration must stop when one soldier claims such criticism hurts his morale is laughable. Folks in uniform know that civilians back home debate foreign policy all the time. If any of them have a hard time dealing with that, they should go see they squad leader for a pep talk. Their reaction to debate at home should not cause that debate to cease.

While you hide behind the idea of criticizing the administration is partriotic and all that blah, blah LIES, you know full damn well that your criticism has nothing to do with anything but your blind anger and bitterness.

To say otherwise is a lie. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. If it was legitimate criticism, that would be one thing, but its like the father who is brutal on the kid, then claims the kid needs it for his own good, when in fact the father is just an evil, vile bitter man taking it out on a kid.

By the way, I find it very amusing every time you say how stupid President Bu8ush is, ,,, I mean, he did BEAT YOU GUYS, RIGHT? TWICE:

HAHHAHAHHAHAH
BWAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHH BWAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

 

[LuvRPgrl]

LOL

I doubt I've ever seen a more partisan and unprincipled post.

Face it dude. You're a complete partisan on this. When republicans criticized the bosnia/kosovo wars, you're totally excusing them, for the same behaviour your criticizing democrats for. And in contrast to the costly ill-managed, and bloody iraq war, the bosnia/kosovo campaigns were extrordinarily well executed and managed, without a single american death.

Oh my, and this is coming from the side that claims stereotyping and profiling is such a bad thing? TSK TSK TSK, you show your hypocracy

So, you think Im a partisan hack, WITHOUT even knowing me or my posistions at all. Typical left wing boob head blabbing without any info on a topic.

Lets see if you can figure which of these three topics I part from the mainstream republicans, or the party, or conservatives on.

Legalizing prostitution
abortion
legalizing gambling
amnesty for illegals


I doubt you will take a stab at it tough,. You are too much of a pathetic weenie.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

I would never base my opinion on the claims of any one person.

It seems to me that the vast majority of Americans now believe, as I do, that the war in Iraq is a result of a failed foreign policy. I am hardly alone.

WRONG, a vast majority dont agree with you. ANd the debate is pretty much over on most of what you weenie heads are still whining and crying about.

Point is, you guys lost both elections, the ELECTED leader choose to go to Iraq, and now that ;you lost, you should support the effort like a good PATRIOTIC American.

DIssent is sometimes a good thing, but sometimes its just downright foolish, dangerous, bad for our country and TREASONOUS. Your dissent is based on hostility , anger and bitterness, hence it falls into the second category, while you hide behind lofty idealism, in reality, you woldnt know compassion and true dissent for idealism if it bit you on the ass.

You are a treasonous, helper of the enemy.

 

[maineman]

WRONG, a vast majority dont agree with you. ANd the debate is pretty much over on most of what you weenie heads are still whining and crying about.

Point is, you guys lost both elections, the ELECTED leader choose to go to Iraq, and now that ;you lost, you should support the effort like a good PATRIOTIC American.

DIssent is sometimes a good thing, but sometimes its just downright foolish, dangerous, bad for our country and TREASONOUS. Your dissent is based on hostility , anger and bitterness, hence it falls into the second category, while you hide behind lofty idealism, in reality, you woldnt know compassion and true dissent for idealism if it bit you on the ass.

You are a treasonous, helper of the enemy.

blah blah blah. dissent is only bad when someone is disagreeing with YOU!

Were all those republican leaders who criticized Clinton's actions in the balkans while troops were on the ground committing TREASON then? Were you harping at them as loudly as you harp at those who disagree with Bush?

and here is a newsflash, bucko: you don't have a fucking CLUE what my dissent in based upon.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

But that's where we differ. "WE" are talking about a "SPECIFIC" president---not the office.

Wow, that guy is right. the Dead can Dance.

SOrry, but you cant have it both ways. You guys are not merely criticizing the President, you are intentionally, and with zero class I might add, intentionally ATTEMPTING to demean him, but as is always the case, such an attempt only demeans yourself.

Anywho, in attempting to demean him, you demean the office, and the office is elected by the people. If you try to (falsly I might add) demean the office, then you are attempting to demean the people. Typical for you pious, know whats better for everyone liberal pigs. Thats why you want big govt and socialism, cuz you guys know how to spend my money better than I do.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

blah blah blah. dissent is only bad when someone is disagreeing with YOU!.

Lets get things straight. You are not DISSENTING. You are venting, whining, crying, lying, anything but dissenting. You hide behind dissent because its an easier arguement for you to uphold than the real reasons for your treasonous actions.

Were all those republican leaders who criticized Clinton's actions in the balkans while troops were on the ground committing TREASON then? Were you harping at them as loudly as you harp at those who disagree with Bush?.

Me thinks that to make a legitimate analogy, you would need to be more specific. Now, now now little boy, dont forget, you are one of the libs, those who HATE STEREOTYPING AND PROFILIING. But now here you go and generalize about the Republicans. Very naughty of you.

and here is a newsflash, bucko: you don't have a fucking CLUE what my dissent in based upon.

Newsflash diarhea brains,,,,,

I have more of a clue than you do, hahah, self deception is a motherfucker. Its something you libs these days rely heavily upon.
Its interesting that in my four decades of involvement in politics, and having once been a die hard liberal, until the libs changed radically what they stood for,( well, actually, they dont stand for anything, they just are a colleciton of groups that stand against things)and having talked to literally hundreds of people who have seen the change also, the animal of liberalism today is an extremist while thinking they are not. The extreme that they are at is unparrallaled in US history.
It appears a religous fervor has overtaken them. Its the religion of non religion, or paganism. Your heart is in it so much that all rational thought and logic go right out the window. What follows is self deception, lying, deceit, hypocracy, being control freaks,hatred and finally bitterness. Underlying all that is a need to feel superior, without it being obvious.
In that description is the term SELF DECEIVING. Based on that, it is so ingrained into your psyche by now, you dont really have a fucking clue as to what your bitterness (which you erroneously call dissent), is all about.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

I thought the war was over? Mission accomplished according to Dumbya, right?

D Day. Mission accomplished, now, lets go get Hitler. Comprendo moron?

Ahhh, Dumbya eh? Yet he beat the best you idiots had to offer, TWICE!
Man that makes you guys look bad. hahhahahahhahah, bwahhahahahhahaha

 

[LuvRPgrl]

again. you are full of shit.

Anyone is capable of being against the administration's inept use of military force to attempt to carry out a failed foreign policy on one hand, and totally supporting the members of the united states military on the other.

to suggest that, criticism of the administration must stop when one soldier claims such criticism hurts his morale is laughable. Folks in uniform know that civilians back home debate foreign policy all the time. If any of them have a hard time dealing with that, they should go see they squad leader for a pep talk. Their reaction to debate at home should not cause that debate to cease.

Quit lying Calling the administration inept, and making personal attacks on the President, are NOT debating foreign policy.

 

[Dr Grump]

D Day. Mission accomplished, now, lets go get Hitler. Comprendo moron?

Ahhh, Dumbya eh? Yet he beat the best you idiots had to offer, TWICE!
Man that makes you guys look bad. hahhahahahhahah, bwahhahahahhahaha

No, in the first election more people voted for Gore than Bush..who's the moron now?

No, what looks bad is your electoral system. It is badly broken and needs fixing, but y'all to apathetic to do anything about it. Go figure...

 

[Dr Grump]

Quit lying Calling the administration inept, and making personal attacks on the President, are NOT debating foreign policy.

Maybe inept is too nice a word..

BTW, you do look like a movie star, though shouting out loud that you look like Peewee Herman isn't exactly something to gloat about...