How "Renewable Energy" is destroying Germany

[polarbear]

Well maybe not the cities, but the last remaining wild life habitats in Germany. Especially so the famous Black Forest.
I just finished compiling & uploading this video:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2H38UpdQhM"]How Climate Science destroyed Germany.wmv - YouTube[/ame]

I`m not too worried about Canada because we signed off the Kyoto Accord, keep our nuclear power, have huge hydro electric plants and have our own oil. But there are a few liberal Provinces, Ontario, Quebec & BC who got sucked in by the IPCC and Andrea Merkel, copied her "Energie Wandel" and now they are the basket cases of Canada. The rest the "Oil Provinces" have to subsidize these bankrupt Provinces with "Eqaulization Payments" just so have enough Money to pay their unionized & overpaid public sector "workers" which male up the bulk of their sorry economy.

 

[Mr. H.]

I watched the first 5 seconds. Didn't understand a word of it.

 

[tjvh]

I think it is about how they damage the last refuges left for people to "get away from it all", such as this:

 

[whitehall]

The Germans should remember from the last time they invaded Holland that windmills were obsolete.

 

[flacaltenn]

It's worth watching -- the translation is partial and sparse -- but the story gets thru..

The eco-left in Germany is fierce. They would tear up the hills and drill thru mountains just to make "renewables" work. All attempts are failing because Germany is NOT a good site for solar as a FUNDAMENTAL source of power.

Some of the ideas I've posted on these boards -- are in there. Like reserving wind/solar OFF grid to make hydrogen. And the ecological damage from water-pumped wind storage.

 

[chenchenPeter]

OK,I know it ....After I read your article...I aggre with you .

 

[polarbear]

It's worth watching -- the translation is partial and sparse -- but the story gets thru..

The eco-left in Germany is fierce. They would tear up the hills and drill thru mountains just to make "renewables" work. All attempts are failing because Germany is NOT a good site for solar as a FUNDAMENTAL source of power.

Some of the ideas I've posted on these boards -- are in there. Like reserving wind/solar OFF grid to make hydrogen. And the ecological damage from water-pumped wind storage.

No matter if solar or wind, the problem most people don`t understand what "power on demand" is and that this is the only way a power grid can function.
Most people equate their home brew solar or wind system to a power grid just because some of them are "grid tied". A power grid on a national scale is something entirely different and not just a simple home brew grid tie on a larger scale as the general public believes.

This is how it does work:
The main control panel in a power plant senses the instantaneous load demand. At a given setting...if it`s a hydro plant, that would be the "wicked gates" which control the water flow into the turbine and similar gating devices for steam in a thermal P.P. ,be that nuclear or coal,...if the load drops the gates are throttled down and if there is an increase modulated up...while at the same time the generator revs have to remain constant to remain in phase with the grid.
If that process is not carefully controlled this is what happens:
The Sayano-Shushenskaya dam accident - The Big Picture - Boston.com

In the end the cause of the accident was a faulty setting at which rate the wicked gates were modulated up & down as the load demand changed.

With wind power You cant` just modulate the blade pitch to respond to sudden load demand fluctuations. Coarser pitch ===> more torque but lower rpm and "finer" pitch ===> more rpm but lower torque and in either case the correction was futile because the power output would stay the same and the wind turbine did not respond and cannot as any "power on demand" generator system has to. Else it is entirely useless for a large scale power grid. Solar, ...same problem.
All You can do is dump the extra power at any given wind speed if the demand load drops suddenly and hope for the best You don`t "brown out" if there is a sudden increase.
A sudden demand drop can be compensated by the "exciter" coil current in a wind turbine, but when the demand spikes beyond what the turbine can deliver at the present wind speed then You are screwed. In any regular "power on demand" the control system simply opens up the wicked gates, end of problem!
If the spike exceeds the total power plant output in its current configuration, the additional turbines are "phased in" and that has to occur at exactly the same time frame when the sine waves are overlapping and the other turbines have to be EXACTLY at the same speed (rpm`s)...else Your power plant looks like the one in the picture above!
How would You do that with wind turbines, where one is in Texas and the other one in California?

With a home system solar or wind, that`s not really a problem because we are not talking about Mega Watts but only a few Kilowatts, something a few 12 Volt Batteries and an inverter can easily handle.
Now for these ideas to use solar or wind power to generate hydrogen as Joerg Mueller of Enertag suggests, please do the math.
Considering just 1 single pump reservoir like the one at Eckberg.
Here are the specs.
Water flow through the turbine= 24 000 liters per second
Head = 400 meters
Reservoir Size = ~ 5 000 000 cubic meters
can run for 57 hours in "generating mode" @ 94 Megawatt output.
If You wanted to do that with storing Hydrogen gas then first of all You would have to have an electrolysis facility which can generate over 1700 liters of hydrogen gas per second and store 362 708 333 liters of Hydrogen gas just to duplicate what one single pond at Eckberg does.
And they have 15 of these ponds just to run a power on demand system for the small region they supply.

Germany has 81 Million people and the United States have 313 Million.
Just how would Obama engineer a "green energy" system for 313 Million if to date this simply cant` be done for 81 Million in Germany.
And by they way, each single of these Pump basins with the shaft costs 1 $ billion..!!! And in Germany they decided to go that way because they did the math and this is way cheaper than the "hydrogen" route

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, we are not Germany, and are committed to a policy of all of the above until such time as the renewables, including nuclear, replaces fossil fuels.

 

[Old Rocks]

We also know the price we will pay for the continued use of fossil fuels. And it is far higher than that of one disaster in Russia. Just one extreme weather event in the last decade.

Thousands Die of Heat in France - MedicineNet - Health and Medical Information Produced by Doctors

And another only two years ago;

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjSnzEUfkNQ]Moscow's Heat Wave Kills Thousands - YouTube[/ame]

 

[flacaltenn]

Well, we are not Germany, and are committed to a policy of all of the above until such time as the renewables, including nuclear, replaces fossil fuels.

Don't you remember telling us all how we should be MORE LIKE Germany just a week or so ago?

You might need a "memory retention reservoir". So that what powers you by daylight can be used at used at a future date..

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, we are not Germany, and are committed to a policy of all of the above until such time as the renewables, including nuclear, replaces fossil fuels.

Don't you remember telling us all how we should be MORE LIKE Germany just a week or so ago?

You might need a "memory retention reservoir". So that what powers you by daylight can be used at used at a future date..

Link, baby?

 

[Mr. H.]

It's worth watching -- the translation is partial and sparse -- but the story gets thru..

The eco-left in Germany is fierce. They would tear up the hills and drill thru mountains just to make "renewables" work. All attempts are failing because Germany is NOT a good site for solar as a FUNDAMENTAL source of power.

Some of the ideas I've posted on these boards -- are in there. Like reserving wind/solar OFF grid to make hydrogen. And the ecological damage from water-pumped wind storage.

The first time I met my German-born sister in law, about 30 years ago, we briefly discussed the environmental movement in that country. She said there was a saying in that country... "Green is Red".

Still true today.

 

[polarbear]

Well, we are not Germany, and are committed to a policy of all of the above until such time as the renewables, including nuclear, replaces fossil fuels.

Don't you remember telling us all how we should be MORE LIKE Germany just a week or so ago?

You might need a "memory retention reservoir". So that what powers you by daylight can be used at used at a future date..

My God, he is still at it..!!
Won`t be long and he`ll call You all the names that came out of the "occupy wall street" megaphones. This guy is supposed to be a millwright and by my time he should be at work. But he sits here all day long every day to troll and bury every thread that has something in it that destroys his Oregon-backyard fantasy world.
@"Oldrocks" If You have so much time on your hands and a PC as You obviously do, and are as smart as you pretend to be,why don`t You use it to write an algorithm that controls pitch, power and phase for a wind turbine. I did it for all the power plants on Ellesmere Island and @ AFB Thule Greenland,
While Your "climate scientists" in the arctic had nothing better to do than that:

And drive vehicles to "work" that get at the most 6 miles per gallon of the fuel we have to fly in with our Hercs @ 17 Gallons for each gallon fuel delivered:

And smoke pot, and then forget to shut the door...a storm kicked up and their indoor Diesel Power plant was under 6 feet of snow:

...but I`m retired now and rahter go for a swim in Lake Manitoba:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAGvDn5SJdA&list=UUvj7dbOY14kt_MFIR1Y1iwA&index=3&feature=plcp"]Lake Manitoba Delta Beach.wmv - YouTube[/ame]

@OldRocks, so every "heat wave" is "climate change" caused by CO2 and when we are in a deep freeze then it was "just the weather" and not the "climate"?


Do You also delude Yourself that every red traffic light You encounter was just bad luck, but every light that turned green was because of You "tele-path(ological)-abilties" ?

 

[polarbear]

I watched the first 5 seconds. Didn't understand a word of it.

What`s so hard to understand?
I did translate the key points and the rest, even my grand children could correctly guess what`s going on and how an entire region is destroyed to make way for "green energy" water storage basins without which wind & solar cannot supply energy on demand.
Well perhaps this video is a bit easier to understand. No, I did not bother to include all the interviews, but they were in fact as Ezra states in the lead in of this 2 hour documentary.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFqIS8hDV0o"]Northern pipelines.wmv - YouTube[/ame]

By the way the same professional "green energy" lobby groups paid by foreign **.orgs which faked charitable status in Canada were also (again!!) at our elections for the new Grand Chief and tried to influence the elections so that their hired well paid " Protest-Indians" can block our pipelines
with court injunctions. Also present were some non-native Lefty-Public Sector Union activists who use membership
money without consulting their members to funnel it into anti-resource development.
Well it did not work and Grand Chief Shawn Atleo, who like most Chiefs and Reserve residents are for our resource development was re-elected with a 62% majority on the third ballot to the position of National Chief.
Meanwhile our Government is finally going after these foreign "charitable groups" for tax fraud.
By law a charitable group must be just that and not usurp it`s political agenda.
They are lucky no criminal charges have been laid, so far. Our resident Climate Guru "David Suzuki" who`s been brainwashing Kids for years @ school that "Santa Klaus" has to move because his home is flooding ran for the hills already.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bm3uHduu2s&feature=relmfu"]David Suzuki Reporting From The North Pole - YouTube[/ame]
And by the way we also axed these idiotic "climate science labs" starting with the "Astro Lab"
in Eureka. It was just a hangout for dope-smoking "climate scientists" who for the most part were students, with a major in "sociology" etc from European universities who our military had to fuel, feed and babysit at great cost to our tax payers.
Al Gore, and M."Mann"- made GW is definitely on its last legs in Canada and almost every other Country outside the E.U. where none of them can make any more sovereign decisions unless the non-elected bureaucrats in Brussels allow it....much the same way the U.N. and the IPCC would like to have it with the rest of us.

 

[polarbear]

It's worth watching -- the translation is partial and sparse -- but the story gets thru..

The eco-left in Germany is fierce. They would tear up the hills and drill thru mountains just to make "renewables" work. All attempts are failing because Germany is NOT a good site for solar as a FUNDAMENTAL source of power.

Some of the ideas I've posted on these boards -- are in there. Like reserving wind/solar OFF grid to make hydrogen. And the ecological damage from water-pumped wind storage.

The first time I met my German-born sister in law, about 30 years ago, we briefly discussed the environmental movement in that country. She said there was a saying in that country... "Green is Red".

Still true today.

Your sister in law is right. Imagine what would happen to the U.S. if it was right next door to the old U.S.S.R. and one day without advance notice the entire border disappears and every (ex??)-Soviet could vote and run for office in the new United States...well that`s exactly what happened to the old "West"Germany. What most people in the U.S. don`t realize is that Angela Merkel and Putin were and still are on a first name basis while Putin was still KGB Chief and Merkel was a Student leader @ the Soviet Academy for Agitation & Propaganda. When she chums with Putin she does so in fluent Russian and lets no other (German) diplomatic staff near them.After the curtain came down she joined the CDU , the Conservative party which had the most popular support. Next many ex-Stasi worked at the captured BStU Archives:
Stasi-in-bstu.pdf - WikiLeaks
"MfS" = Ministry of State Security of the former Communist East Germany.
After that her records showed that she was a "dissident" and a "Preacher`s daughter"...which of course helped her rise to Power in the "Christian Democratic Union" the CDU...
First she rose to environment Minister, and for some strange reason relaxed all the regulations for nuclear waste shipments, till Germans began to fear their nuclear power plants, after that she back-stabbed the same CDU politicians who shielded her from public wrath and rose to be the "Climate Chancellor" of Germany... transferred most of the exec-powers that the once sovereign Germany had over to central planning bureaucrats in Brussels....and rest is history...that repeated itself much the same way it would have been if the Communist Block and the Central Planning in Moscow were still intact...only now they have way more turf...!!!! Merkel never managed to get a clear majority but stayed in power against the will of the majority of Germans by forming "coalitions" with fringe-minority parties like the "Greens"...:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joschka_Fischer

Joseph Martin "Joschka" Fischer (born April 12, 1948) is a German politician of the Alliance '90/The Greens. He served as Foreign Minister and Vice Chancellor of Germany in the cabinet of Gerhard Schröder from 1998 to 2005. Fischer has been a leading figure in the West German Greens since the 1970s,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In the Deutscher Herbst (German autumn) of 1977, Germany was rattled by a series of left-wing terrorist attacks by the Red Army FactionRevolutionary Cells (RZ). According to Fischer's own account, witnessing these events, particularly the kidnapping and murder of Hanns-Martin Schleyer and the Entebbe hijacking,[5][6]</ref> made him renounce violence as a means for political change. Instead, he became involved in the new social movements and later in the newly founded Green Party, mainly in the state of Hesse. (RAF) and

I could not believe my ears when I heard in the news that the U.S. allowed this dirt bag on their soil when he became Germany`s Foreign Minister


Since then Germany has become even more anti-American as the ex-communist DDR ever has been....internally...however there is a second public face Germany has on the international stage. Well except when she has a beer with Obama, then she can be herself the 2 are like peas in a pod. It makes me puke because I was a kid in Germany when GI`s airlifted supllies to Berlin at great risk to their own lives and every school day after the war GI`s were @ our schools with milk, rice & raisins, Chocolates,etc etc...most of us would have starved to death. I never forgot, came over here enlisted and did my best to pay back what I surely did owe the best I could.
But now You know, what Your sister in law meant by "Green=COMMUNIST RED"!!!

 

[polarbear]

Well, we are not Germany, and are committed to a policy of all of the above until such time as the renewables, including nuclear, replaces fossil fuels.

You will be in it soon, at least in the same frog soup before You realized what happened. But I doubt You`ll be able to comprehend what`s really going on right under your nose. That`s the problem when people who play Pinochle can vote and are up against others who play Chess.
You have no idea who is behind the "Green Revolution" !
Even if I show it to you I doubt very much You`ll catch on. At one time I worked for a while next to 2 "Navy Mass Communication Specialists" 1.) & 2.) class and they are mere boy scouts in this league.
Hell even the Pentagon & the CIA could do nothing but watch in awe how some of the same people who stole weapons from American Bases in Germany, hijacked Israeli Airliners (Entebbe),blew up bankers and assassinated politicians rose to power in Germany after the wall came down...and are now calling the shots in the E.U. and almost already to the same extent at the U.N.
You think "Man made Global warming" might ruin your day?
Wait till the day comes when your personal "Carbon Credit Allowance" is exceeded and You need special permission to go shopping!
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cWayjE6mRs"]Red Dawn disguised as Green Revolution.avi - YouTube[/ame]

Enjoy, if You hate the USA

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh my. Check under the bed. Make sure your tinfoil hat is in place. And most of all take the pretty little pills the nice nurse has for you!

 

[Franticfrank]

Well, I believe Germany is reaching the limit of destroying its scenic areas with wind turbines and more money is being put into offshore. If you look at statistics regarding German investment in wind energy, it has to be considered a positive force for the country, especially over the nuclear phaseout.