How MI turned Republican, all it takes is money and lines , but in 2020

[Penelope]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

 

[Meathead]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Yeah, because Gerrymandering works so well for presidential election.

Just goofy.

 

[Penelope]

Maybe instead of filling out the census like good American citizens just put no. in household or throw it out , in the trash. Perhaps lie through your teeth, but instead of lying just toss it.

We can play the same game as the politicians.

 

[irosie91]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Yeah, because Gerrymandering works so well for presidential election.

Just goofy.

did you not read superman comics in your youth?------penny is a citizen of Bizarro
town-----on the planet PsychoSIA

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

 

[irosie91]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

conspiracy issues------the ELITES done it

 

[Meathead]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Yeah, because Gerrymandering works so well for presidential election.

Just goofy.

did you not read superman comics in your youth?------penny is a citizen of Bizarro
town-----on the planet PsychoSIA

Yeah. I was thinking inner-city education.

 

[miketx]

 

[irosie91]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Yeah, because Gerrymandering works so well for presidential election.

Just goofy.

did you not read superman comics in your youth?------penny is a citizen of Bizarro
town-----on the planet PsychoSIA

Yeah. I was thinking inner-city education.

I was thinking congenital deficits of intellect

 

[Penelope]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

That's is true, but it didn't start with census, it started before, and along with the Tea Party, bail outs and yes the ACA introduction, but mainly within a few states it started.

Every state handles creating their district maps a little differently. Arizona, Iowa, California, Washington, Idaho, and New Jersey all use various commission models. But the vast majority of states leave redistricting up to some combination of the legislature and the governor. Jankowski looked for states that were likely to gain or lose seats after reapportionment, and would therefore be tearing up the old maps and starting from scratch with a different number of districts. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Texas, and North Carolina made that list. He looked for states where control was tight, and swinging just a handful of districts might tip the chamber to the Republicans, such as Wisconsin, Ohio, and Virginia, even New York. Then he checked for states where Republicans might control the legislature and the governor’s office, and would therefore be able to lock the Democrats out of redistricting altogether. He didn’t want a Democratic governor, for example, to be able to veto a plan.

The House the GOP Built: How Republicans Used Soft Money, Big Data, and High-Tech Mapping to Take Control of Congress and Increase Partisanship

He was right, who controls the states pretty much control who the state votes for. 2018 is coming and many seats are up for grabs, and after the GOP , I think we can pretty much assure to take back many seats within states and Fed government.

 

[yiostheoy]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

That's more complicated than I thought.

I thought it was just blue collar workers that were tired of Hillary.

 

[yiostheoy]

Maybe instead of filling out the census like good American citizens just put no. in household or throw it out , in the trash. Perhaps lie through your teeth, but instead of lying just toss it.

We can play the same game as the politicians.

It does not work like that.

Census workers come around and they knock on doors.

 

[irosie91]

Da BORG is coming-----RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

That's is true, but it didn't start with census, it started before, and along with the Tea Party, bail outs and yes the ACA introduction, but mainly within a few states it started.

Every state handles creating their district maps a little differently. Arizona, Iowa, California, Washington, Idaho, and New Jersey all use various commission models. But the vast majority of states leave redistricting up to some combination of the legislature and the governor. Jankowski looked for states that were likely to gain or lose seats after reapportionment, and would therefore be tearing up the old maps and starting from scratch with a different number of districts. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Texas, and North Carolina made that list. He looked for states where control was tight, and swinging just a handful of districts might tip the chamber to the Republicans, such as Wisconsin, Ohio, and Virginia, even New York. Then he checked for states where Republicans might control the legislature and the governor’s office, and would therefore be able to lock the Democrats out of redistricting altogether. He didn’t want a Democratic governor, for example, to be able to veto a plan.

The House the GOP Built: How Republicans Used Soft Money, Big Data, and High-Tech Mapping to Take Control of Congress and Increase Partisanship

He was right, who controls the states pretty much control who the state votes for. 2018 is coming and many seats are up for grabs, and after the GOP , I think we can pretty much assure to take back many seats within states and Fed government.

That's is true, but it didn't start with census, it started before, and along with the Tea Party, bail outs and yes the ACA introduction,

Yes. The claims that the ACA didn't cost seats, just redistricting was comically incorrect.

Due to the ACA, the GOP got more seats, so not true!! It was due to

Hey!! That was your comic thread.

He was right, who controls the states pretty much control who the state votes for.

After Obama, Dems control so many fewer states. He really eviscerated your party.
In 2008, Dems held 29 governorships. Now, they hold 16. What a wipeout!!!

 

[Penelope]

Maybe instead of filling out the census like good American citizens just put no. in household or throw it out , in the trash. Perhaps lie through your teeth, but instead of lying just toss it.

We can play the same game as the politicians.

It does not work like that.

Census workers come around and they knock on doors.

We have always done ours by mail.

 

[Penelope]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

That's is true, but it didn't start with census, it started before, and along with the Tea Party, bail outs and yes the ACA introduction, but mainly within a few states it started.

Every state handles creating their district maps a little differently. Arizona, Iowa, California, Washington, Idaho, and New Jersey all use various commission models. But the vast majority of states leave redistricting up to some combination of the legislature and the governor. Jankowski looked for states that were likely to gain or lose seats after reapportionment, and would therefore be tearing up the old maps and starting from scratch with a different number of districts. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Texas, and North Carolina made that list. He looked for states where control was tight, and swinging just a handful of districts might tip the chamber to the Republicans, such as Wisconsin, Ohio, and Virginia, even New York. Then he checked for states where Republicans might control the legislature and the governor’s office, and would therefore be able to lock the Democrats out of redistricting altogether. He didn’t want a Democratic governor, for example, to be able to veto a plan.

The House the GOP Built: How Republicans Used Soft Money, Big Data, and High-Tech Mapping to Take Control of Congress and Increase Partisanship

He was right, who controls the states pretty much control who the state votes for. 2018 is coming and many seats are up for grabs, and after the GOP , I think we can pretty much assure to take back many seats within states and Fed government.

That's is true, but it didn't start with census, it started before, and along with the Tea Party, bail outs and yes the ACA introduction,

Yes. The claims that the ACA didn't cost seats, just redistricting was comically incorrect.

Due to the ACA, the GOP got more seats, so not true!! It was due to

Hey!! That was your comic thread.

He was right, who controls the states pretty much control who the state votes for.

After Obama, Dems control so many fewer states. He really eviscerated your party.
In 2008, Dems held 29 governorships. Now, they hold 16. What a wipeout!!!

At that time I really doubt the ACA was a trigger for the increase in GOP seats but the Tea Party and Bail outs. Also more Dems are least likely to vote in mid term elections, and I know in MI they (the GOP in charge) are trying to make it as hard as possible to vote, decreasing the voting places for the known Democratic areas, and trying to get rid of straight ticket ballots. I foresee a huge mid term turnout in 2018.

 

[Penelope]

Maybe instead of filling out the census like good American citizens just put no. in household or throw it out , in the trash. Perhaps lie through your teeth, but instead of lying just toss it.

We can play the same game as the politicians.

It does not work like that.

Census workers come around and they knock on doors.

Do or did they come to your door and ask you questions?? Curious.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

That's is true, but it didn't start with census, it started before, and along with the Tea Party, bail outs and yes the ACA introduction, but mainly within a few states it started.

Every state handles creating their district maps a little differently. Arizona, Iowa, California, Washington, Idaho, and New Jersey all use various commission models. But the vast majority of states leave redistricting up to some combination of the legislature and the governor. Jankowski looked for states that were likely to gain or lose seats after reapportionment, and would therefore be tearing up the old maps and starting from scratch with a different number of districts. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Texas, and North Carolina made that list. He looked for states where control was tight, and swinging just a handful of districts might tip the chamber to the Republicans, such as Wisconsin, Ohio, and Virginia, even New York. Then he checked for states where Republicans might control the legislature and the governor’s office, and would therefore be able to lock the Democrats out of redistricting altogether. He didn’t want a Democratic governor, for example, to be able to veto a plan.

The House the GOP Built: How Republicans Used Soft Money, Big Data, and High-Tech Mapping to Take Control of Congress and Increase Partisanship

He was right, who controls the states pretty much control who the state votes for. 2018 is coming and many seats are up for grabs, and after the GOP , I think we can pretty much assure to take back many seats within states and Fed government.

That's is true, but it didn't start with census, it started before, and along with the Tea Party, bail outs and yes the ACA introduction,

Yes. The claims that the ACA didn't cost seats, just redistricting was comically incorrect.

Due to the ACA, the GOP got more seats, so not true!! It was due to

Hey!! That was your comic thread.

He was right, who controls the states pretty much control who the state votes for.

After Obama, Dems control so many fewer states. He really eviscerated your party.
In 2008, Dems held 29 governorships. Now, they hold 16. What a wipeout!!!

At that time I really doubt the ACA was a trigger for the increase in GOP seats but the Tea Party and Bail outs. Also more Dems are least likely to vote in mid term elections, and I know in MI they (the GOP in charge) are trying to make it as hard as possible to vote, decreasing the voting places for the known Democratic areas, and trying to get rid of straight ticket ballots. I foresee a huge mid term turnout in 2018.

At that time I really doubt the ACA was a trigger for the increase in GOP seats but the Tea Party and Bail outs.

What we do know, for sure, is it wasn't redistricting.
And of course the huge Dem wipeout in governorships isn't redistricting either.

I foresee a huge mid term turnout in 2018.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see a big Dem loss in the Senate.

 

[Penelope]

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

the Democrats are going to play. How Trump won the Presidency and how he won the swing states.

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011, one commentator likened it to a psychedelic confection, “with districts swirling around Southeast Michigan like colors in a Willy Wonka lollipop.” Roll Call labelled Michigan’s revamped Fourteenth District one of the “five ugliest” in the country. The Fourteenth, which starts in Detroit, snakes through eastern suburbs like Grosse Pointe, and then abruptly juts west and north to Pontiac, has an outline that resembles Bart Simpson holding a fishing pole. It became known as “the 8 Mile Mess,” after a major thoroughfare that forms one of its boundaries. (Its rivals for the ugliest-district award included North Carolina’s Fourth, nicknamed “the Hanging Claw,” and Maryland’s Third, dubbed “the Pinwheel of Death.”)

The G.O.P. Plan That Turned America Red

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

That's is true, but it didn't start with census, it started before, and along with the Tea Party, bail outs and yes the ACA introduction, but mainly within a few states it started.

Every state handles creating their district maps a little differently. Arizona, Iowa, California, Washington, Idaho, and New Jersey all use various commission models. But the vast majority of states leave redistricting up to some combination of the legislature and the governor. Jankowski looked for states that were likely to gain or lose seats after reapportionment, and would therefore be tearing up the old maps and starting from scratch with a different number of districts. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Texas, and North Carolina made that list. He looked for states where control was tight, and swinging just a handful of districts might tip the chamber to the Republicans, such as Wisconsin, Ohio, and Virginia, even New York. Then he checked for states where Republicans might control the legislature and the governor’s office, and would therefore be able to lock the Democrats out of redistricting altogether. He didn’t want a Democratic governor, for example, to be able to veto a plan.

The House the GOP Built: How Republicans Used Soft Money, Big Data, and High-Tech Mapping to Take Control of Congress and Increase Partisanship

He was right, who controls the states pretty much control who the state votes for. 2018 is coming and many seats are up for grabs, and after the GOP , I think we can pretty much assure to take back many seats within states and Fed government.

That's is true, but it didn't start with census, it started before, and along with the Tea Party, bail outs and yes the ACA introduction,

Yes. The claims that the ACA didn't cost seats, just redistricting was comically incorrect.

Due to the ACA, the GOP got more seats, so not true!! It was due to

Hey!! That was your comic thread.

He was right, who controls the states pretty much control who the state votes for.

After Obama, Dems control so many fewer states. He really eviscerated your party.
In 2008, Dems held 29 governorships. Now, they hold 16. What a wipeout!!!

At that time I really doubt the ACA was a trigger for the increase in GOP seats but the Tea Party and Bail outs. Also more Dems are least likely to vote in mid term elections, and I know in MI they (the GOP in charge) are trying to make it as hard as possible to vote, decreasing the voting places for the known Democratic areas, and trying to get rid of straight ticket ballots. I foresee a huge mid term turnout in 2018.

At that time I really doubt the ACA was a trigger for the increase in GOP seats but the Tea Party and Bail outs.

What we do know, for sure, is it wasn't redistricting.
And of course the huge Dem wipeout in governorships isn't redistricting either.

I foresee a huge mid term turnout in 2018.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see a big Dem loss in the Senate.

Its was not the ACA, it was a conscious decision to transfer power in a few swing states, plus the Tea Party propaganda, so the GOP saying it was the ACA is not true.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

Another REDMAP target was Michigan. In 2010, the project poured a million dollars into legislative campaigns in the state, an expenditure that helped elect Republican majorities in both chambers. When the state’s new congressional map was unveiled in 2011

That's so weird. Republicans gained 63 seats in the US House in 2010, before redistricting changes in 2011.

Why do you think that happened?

That's is true, but it didn't start with census, it started before, and along with the Tea Party, bail outs and yes the ACA introduction, but mainly within a few states it started.

Every state handles creating their district maps a little differently. Arizona, Iowa, California, Washington, Idaho, and New Jersey all use various commission models. But the vast majority of states leave redistricting up to some combination of the legislature and the governor. Jankowski looked for states that were likely to gain or lose seats after reapportionment, and would therefore be tearing up the old maps and starting from scratch with a different number of districts. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Texas, and North Carolina made that list. He looked for states where control was tight, and swinging just a handful of districts might tip the chamber to the Republicans, such as Wisconsin, Ohio, and Virginia, even New York. Then he checked for states where Republicans might control the legislature and the governor’s office, and would therefore be able to lock the Democrats out of redistricting altogether. He didn’t want a Democratic governor, for example, to be able to veto a plan.

The House the GOP Built: How Republicans Used Soft Money, Big Data, and High-Tech Mapping to Take Control of Congress and Increase Partisanship

He was right, who controls the states pretty much control who the state votes for. 2018 is coming and many seats are up for grabs, and after the GOP , I think we can pretty much assure to take back many seats within states and Fed government.

That's is true, but it didn't start with census, it started before, and along with the Tea Party, bail outs and yes the ACA introduction,

Yes. The claims that the ACA didn't cost seats, just redistricting was comically incorrect.

Due to the ACA, the GOP got more seats, so not true!! It was due to

Hey!! That was your comic thread.

He was right, who controls the states pretty much control who the state votes for.

After Obama, Dems control so many fewer states. He really eviscerated your party.
In 2008, Dems held 29 governorships. Now, they hold 16. What a wipeout!!!

At that time I really doubt the ACA was a trigger for the increase in GOP seats but the Tea Party and Bail outs. Also more Dems are least likely to vote in mid term elections, and I know in MI they (the GOP in charge) are trying to make it as hard as possible to vote, decreasing the voting places for the known Democratic areas, and trying to get rid of straight ticket ballots. I foresee a huge mid term turnout in 2018.

At that time I really doubt the ACA was a trigger for the increase in GOP seats but the Tea Party and Bail outs.

What we do know, for sure, is it wasn't redistricting.
And of course the huge Dem wipeout in governorships isn't redistricting either.

I foresee a huge mid term turnout in 2018.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see a big Dem loss in the Senate.

Its was not the ACA, it was a conscious decision to transfer power in a few swing states, plus the Tea Party propaganda, so the GOP saying it was the ACA is not true.

Its was not the ACA,

Then what did Obama and the Dems do in 2009 & 2010 that pissed off so many voters that the Dems lost
63 seats?