How is Vindman NOT a Spy?

[Camp]

You, sir, can't provide a shred of evidence the veteran being attacked and smeared is a spy, has ever been a spy, or is anything other than a long-serving patriotic American who has sacrificed and bled for his country.

The New York Times gave plenty of said evidence, unintentionally of course.

Can you comprehend what you read? lol

I suspect you are delusional or lying.

 

[Billiejeens]

#Itsacult

That's three statements, all capturing something, but they aren't easily reconciled with each other.

The first - attacked and smeared - captures the usual behavior by submissive authoritarians in the face of opposition to their Dear Leader. That's neither new, nor hard to understand, just standard fare.

The last tries to capture the adulation of the Dear Leader, also the usual behavior by submissive authoritarians.

The middle one - support for Trump is cracking - would be the one that gives rise to some hope, but it stands in contrast to the other two. That raises a few questions, like, is it true? Is it the beginning of something, since Romney and Cheney do not amount to much of a crack? How to widen the crack? Looking around on here, I haven't seen one, not a single one, who saw the light, and changed to opposition to Trump, not on the occasion of the Mueller report, not after the Ukraine extortion was exposed, not after the myriad of instances of misbehavior even a half-ways decent human being would not tolerate. Rather, they are digging deeper, and losing the last shreds of their already paltry integrity in so doing.

And what a disheartening sight this all has been, like Jim, someone with a capable mind, transforming himself into a completely shameless sycophant. He still has a few bright moments, such as his scolding someone who would try to denigrate President Obama by calling him a "Muslim", but these are dwindling towards non-existence. I, for one, haven't been that amazed by something in quite some time. None of them would, for a single second, believe that sycophancy is a good thing. But still...

And now they, usually mindlessly falling all over themselves to adulate every last member of the military, they are equally mindlessly smearing a member of the military as a "spy" with not a shred of evidence, much less an argument. Seemingly, Yoo, of torture memo fame, gave the starting shot for that particularly slanderous bullshit to be flung around endlessly throughout Rightardia.

Amazing.

The Mueller report literally stated that no US Citizen colluded with Russia - You don't buy that, facts be damned.
The Mueller report stated that no crimes could be affirmed - not even process crimes - You don't buy that, facts be damned.
.

That is not what the Mueller report said. You are repeating the lie Trump said over and over and over. Mueller said evidence of collusion did not provide justification for a charge of conspiracy to commit a chargeable crime. You used the word literally, hence there must be a quote in the report stating no US Cirizen colluded with Russia. Go ahead and find the quote in the report and post it with a credible link or your post goes down as just another lie for defending a Trump lie.
Your second claim of Mueller saying no crimes could be affirmed is also a lie.

You could also go back and watch Mueller's Testimony where he confirms what I have written.

You are the one promoting lies so it's your responsibility for disproving you are lying. Suggesting a person must read a huge report and watch hours of video to prove you are not a liar is beyond ridiculous.

No
You are the one that disputes the truth you fucking dumbass.

 

[Billiejeens]

#Itsacult

That's three statements, all capturing something, but they aren't easily reconciled with each other.

The first - attacked and smeared - captures the usual behavior by submissive authoritarians in the face of opposition to their Dear Leader. That's neither new, nor hard to understand, just standard fare.

The last tries to capture the adulation of the Dear Leader, also the usual behavior by submissive authoritarians.

The middle one - support for Trump is cracking - would be the one that gives rise to some hope, but it stands in contrast to the other two. That raises a few questions, like, is it true? Is it the beginning of something, since Romney and Cheney do not amount to much of a crack? How to widen the crack? Looking around on here, I haven't seen one, not a single one, who saw the light, and changed to opposition to Trump, not on the occasion of the Mueller report, not after the Ukraine extortion was exposed, not after the myriad of instances of misbehavior even a half-ways decent human being would not tolerate. Rather, they are digging deeper, and losing the last shreds of their already paltry integrity in so doing.

And what a disheartening sight this all has been, like Jim, someone with a capable mind, transforming himself into a completely shameless sycophant. He still has a few bright moments, such as his scolding someone who would try to denigrate President Obama by calling him a "Muslim", but these are dwindling towards non-existence. I, for one, haven't been that amazed by something in quite some time. None of them would, for a single second, believe that sycophancy is a good thing. But still...

And now they, usually mindlessly falling all over themselves to adulate every last member of the military, they are equally mindlessly smearing a member of the military as a "spy" with not a shred of evidence, much less an argument. Seemingly, Yoo, of torture memo fame, gave the starting shot for that particularly slanderous bullshit to be flung around endlessly throughout Rightardia.

Amazing.

You're an idiot

You, sir, can't provide a shred of evidence the veteran being attacked and smeared is a spy, has ever been a spy, or is anything other than a long-serving patriotic American who has sacrificed and bled for his country.

Who doesn't agree with President Trump Politically and thinks what President Trump is doing is politically wrong -
Do you get that?
He's military, he doesn't get to determine political policy.

He is not trying to determine political policy, he is speaking against the president using his position to get dirt on his political opponents.

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

 

[Superbadbrutha]

That's three statements, all capturing something, but they aren't easily reconciled with each other.

The first - attacked and smeared - captures the usual behavior by submissive authoritarians in the face of opposition to their Dear Leader. That's neither new, nor hard to understand, just standard fare.

The last tries to capture the adulation of the Dear Leader, also the usual behavior by submissive authoritarians.

The middle one - support for Trump is cracking - would be the one that gives rise to some hope, but it stands in contrast to the other two. That raises a few questions, like, is it true? Is it the beginning of something, since Romney and Cheney do not amount to much of a crack? How to widen the crack? Looking around on here, I haven't seen one, not a single one, who saw the light, and changed to opposition to Trump, not on the occasion of the Mueller report, not after the Ukraine extortion was exposed, not after the myriad of instances of misbehavior even a half-ways decent human being would not tolerate. Rather, they are digging deeper, and losing the last shreds of their already paltry integrity in so doing.

And what a disheartening sight this all has been, like Jim, someone with a capable mind, transforming himself into a completely shameless sycophant. He still has a few bright moments, such as his scolding someone who would try to denigrate President Obama by calling him a "Muslim", but these are dwindling towards non-existence. I, for one, haven't been that amazed by something in quite some time. None of them would, for a single second, believe that sycophancy is a good thing. But still...

And now they, usually mindlessly falling all over themselves to adulate every last member of the military, they are equally mindlessly smearing a member of the military as a "spy" with not a shred of evidence, much less an argument. Seemingly, Yoo, of torture memo fame, gave the starting shot for that particularly slanderous bullshit to be flung around endlessly throughout Rightardia.

Amazing.

You're an idiot

You, sir, can't provide a shred of evidence the veteran being attacked and smeared is a spy, has ever been a spy, or is anything other than a long-serving patriotic American who has sacrificed and bled for his country.

Who doesn't agree with President Trump Politically and thinks what President Trump is doing is politically wrong -
Do you get that?
He's military, he doesn't get to determine political policy.

He is not trying to determine political policy, he is speaking against the president using his position to get dirt on his political opponents.

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

He is Michael Flynn with a D in front of his name. Therefor he will not got to jail for
breaking the law though he should.

 

[Billiejeens]

You're an idiot

You, sir, can't provide a shred of evidence the veteran being attacked and smeared is a spy, has ever been a spy, or is anything other than a long-serving patriotic American who has sacrificed and bled for his country.

Who doesn't agree with President Trump Politically and thinks what President Trump is doing is politically wrong -
Do you get that?
He's military, he doesn't get to determine political policy.

He is not trying to determine political policy, he is speaking against the president using his position to get dirt on his political opponents.

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

 

[konradv]

You, sir, can't provide a shred of evidence the veteran being attacked and smeared is a spy, has ever been a spy, or is anything other than a long-serving patriotic American who has sacrificed and bled for his country.

Who doesn't agree with President Trump Politically and thinks what President Trump is doing is politically wrong -
Do you get that?
He's military, he doesn't get to determine political policy.

He is not trying to determine political policy, he is speaking against the president using his position to get dirt on his political opponents.

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

Sounds like he was trying to protect Trump from the very problems he's facing right now. If that was partisan, it's partisan in Trump's favor. The fact that he didn't heed warnings is on him and doesn't make the colonel partisan or a spy.

 

[Billiejeens]

Who doesn't agree with President Trump Politically and thinks what President Trump is doing is politically wrong -
Do you get that?
He's military, he doesn't get to determine political policy.

He is not trying to determine political policy, he is speaking against the president using his position to get dirt on his political opponents.

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

Sounds like he was trying to protect Trump from the very problems he's facing right now. If that was partisan, it's partisan in Trump's favor. The fact that he didn't heed warnings is on him and doesn't make the colonel partisan or a spy.

No it does not sound like that.

 

[konradv]

He is not trying to determine political policy, he is speaking against the president using his position to get dirt on his political opponents.

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

Sounds like he was trying to protect Trump from the very problems he's facing right now. If that was partisan, it's partisan in Trump's favor. The fact that he didn't heed warnings is on him and doesn't make the colonel partisan or a spy.

No it does not sound like that.

That's because you're biased.

 

[Olde Europe]

Sounds like he was trying to protect Trump from the very problems he's facing right now. If that was partisan, it's partisan in Trump's favor. The fact that he didn't heed warnings is on him and doesn't make the colonel partisan or a spy.

He was trying to protect stated U.S. foreign policy toward Ukraine against being undermined by Trump's "drug deal", as carried out by Giuliani, and its likely fall-out on Capitol Hill.

That said, I fail to understand why you give that mendacious, fact-free troll the time of the day. Your prerogative, of course, but...

 

[Billiejeens]

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

Sounds like he was trying to protect Trump from the very problems he's facing right now. If that was partisan, it's partisan in Trump's favor. The fact that he didn't heed warnings is on him and doesn't make the colonel partisan or a spy.

No it does not sound like that.

That's because you're biased.

Biased toward the truth.

Vindman was politically motivated to be against Trump foreign policy by being for unrestricted aid to Ukraine ( maybe because that is his native homeland, maybe because he did not want Biden Investigated - we may find out)
It is indisputable that it is politically motivated - and as Mueller would say - that is outside his pervue.

 

[konradv]

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

Sounds like he was trying to protect Trump from the very problems he's facing right now. If that was partisan, it's partisan in Trump's favor. The fact that he didn't heed warnings is on him and doesn't make the colonel partisan or a spy.

No it does not sound like that.

That's because you're biased.

Biased toward the truth.

Just your sad twisting of truth. We know the strategy, "attack, never defend", because really Trump has no defense.

 

[Billiejeens]

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

Sounds like he was trying to protect Trump from the very problems he's facing right now. If that was partisan, it's partisan in Trump's favor. The fact that he didn't heed warnings is on him and doesn't make the colonel partisan or a spy.

No it does not sound like that.

That's because you're biased.

Biased toward the truth.

Just your sad twisting of truth. We know the strategy, "attack, never defend", because really Trump has no defense.

There is nothing to defend.

 

[Crepitus]

Vindman is a Ukrainian born citizen who h as been 'advising' Ukrainians on how to handle Trump and Giuliani.

Doesnt he have to register as a foreign agent to do that and get clearance to?

Otherwise, isnt he effectively a Ukrainian spy?

NSC Official Alex Vindman Shows Up to Capitol in Full Military Uniform

This NY Times article says nothing about Vindman having clearance to 'advise' Ukrainians about Whtie House matters or that he was registered as a foreign agent.

Meet Alexander Vindman, the Colonel Who Testified on Trump’s Phone Call

He immigrated at 3 years old.

 

[Crepitus]

Vindman, a Ukranian-American immigrant, is the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, according to the New York Times. He was elected to the council in July 2018. Prior to his work on the National Security Council, he was working as a military affairs officer for Russia for the chairman of the joint chiefs, according to his opening statement.
Alexander Vindman: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
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NO.

Ok so he is not a registered foreign agent and has no clearance to 'advise' Ukrainians regarding Top Secret information he had access to in the White House.

So he *is* a Ukrainian spy.

Thanks for clearing that up, Penny.

 

[konradv]

Sounds like he was trying to protect Trump from the very problems he's facing right now. If that was partisan, it's partisan in Trump's favor. The fact that he didn't heed warnings is on him and doesn't make the colonel partisan or a spy.

No it does not sound like that.

That's because you're biased.

Biased toward the truth.

Just your sad twisting of truth. We know the strategy, "attack, never defend", because really Trump has no defense.

There is nothing to defend.

Keep thinking that. It's probably best he just accept the inevitable. Nixon saw the writing on the wall, but our "stable genius" is apparently illiterate.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

You, sir, can't provide a shred of evidence the veteran being attacked and smeared is a spy, has ever been a spy, or is anything other than a long-serving patriotic American who has sacrificed and bled for his country.

Who doesn't agree with President Trump Politically and thinks what President Trump is doing is politically wrong -
Do you get that?
He's military, he doesn't get to determine political policy.

He is not trying to determine political policy, he is speaking against the president using his position to get dirt on his political opponents.

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

You, sir, can't provide a shred of evidence the veteran being attacked and smeared is a spy, has ever been a spy, or is anything other than a long-serving patriotic American who has sacrificed and bled for his country.

Who doesn't agree with President Trump Politically and thinks what President Trump is doing is politically wrong -
Do you get that?
He's military, he doesn't get to determine political policy.

He is not trying to determine political policy, he is speaking against the president using his position to get dirt on his political opponents.

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

Now you want us to take his post word for word, but that changes when it comes to Trump's words. Why is that?

 

[Billiejeens]

Who doesn't agree with President Trump Politically and thinks what President Trump is doing is politically wrong -
Do you get that?
He's military, he doesn't get to determine political policy.

He is not trying to determine political policy, he is speaking against the president using his position to get dirt on his political opponents.

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

Who doesn't agree with President Trump Politically and thinks what President Trump is doing is politically wrong -
Do you get that?
He's military, he doesn't get to determine political policy.

He is not trying to determine political policy, he is speaking against the president using his position to get dirt on his political opponents.

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

Now you want us to take his post word for word, but that changes when it comes to Trump's words. Why is that?

Why do you not believe his words?
He's a respected military man, you know

 

[Superbadbrutha]

He is not trying to determine political policy, he is speaking against the president using his position to get dirt on his political opponents.

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

He is not trying to determine political policy, he is speaking against the president using his position to get dirt on his political opponents.

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

Now you want us to take his post word for word, but that changes when it comes to Trump's words. Why is that?

Why do you not believe his words?
He's a respected military man, you know

So if you believe that then why do Trump Humpers try to defend Trump's words.

 

[Billiejeens]

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

That's false
You are coming across as being very ignorant of the facts

By all means tell us what political policy he is trying to put into play.

I don't really get how this is so difficult for you guys other than -
(1) You were never taught to think for yourself
(2) you are closed minded and extremely biased.

This is his quote -

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support has thus far maintained"

Now you want us to take his post word for word, but that changes when it comes to Trump's words. Why is that?

Why do you not believe his words?
He's a respected military man, you know

So if you believe that then why do Trump Humpers try to defend Trump's words.

Which ones?