How hard is it today with computers to show Federal funds ARE NOT used for abortions by PP?

[JakeStarkey]

hm keeps doing it on ACA.

Talk about OCD.

 

[turzovka]

The Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of certain federal funds to pay for abortion unless the pregnancy arises from incest, rape, or to save the life of the mother.
The Hyde Amendment is not a permanent law, but rather is a "rider" that in various forms has been routinely attached to annual appropriations bills since 1976. Legislation including the Hyde Amendment generally only restricts the use of funds allocated for the Department of Health and Human Services and primarily affects Medicaid.

So how difficult would it be for Planned Parenthood (PP) to keep separate books?
One set showing expenditures/receipts for NON-Federal Funds and another set of expenditures/receipts for Federal funds?

Now this would mean PP would have to have abortions done in separate unattached facilities so that
all the operating expenses i.e. utilities, lease payments, as well as equipment, and employee salaries
paid out of the separate NON-Federal funds account.

You'd think PP would eliminate ANY of the violation of the Hyde Amendment simply by having these
stand alone facilities. That way all expenses would be paid from NON-Federal Funds?

Until PP can show that NO FEDERAL FUNDS are used for abortions, then Federal funding is in violation of the HYDE Amendment.

Planned Parenthood is an evil organization. They not only perform hundreds of thousands of organizations they engage in criminal acts such as not reporting rapists and shielding child abortions from their parents. They clearly encourage their patients to have an abortion and do next to nothing to suggest adoption as an alternative. The origins of their organization is racist and diabolical.

They engage in the sale of baby organs and they are very profit oriented in maximizing the sale of these body parts. Just because the sickening government will not prosecute, just because the sickening leftist media will do all they can to deny or spin away the evidence does nothing accept satisfy those on the left or those who are so adamantly pro-abortion that everything is benign and copacetic. These are the kind of jokes this nation plays upon itself. God is not laughing.

To think this govt funding is not advancing their diabolical causes takes an immeasurable amount of gullibility.

 

[healthmyths]

They did 327,653 abortions what conclusions must be made that they are doing it with Federal funds........AGAINST THE LAW!!!

No that conclusion must not be made. That's what you want to project, but that is not necessarily a valid conclusion.

They admit they are doing abortions. They admit receiving Federal Funds. They can't show they pay for the abortion expenses with non federal funds!

Sure they can, see there is this whole section of business practice called "accounting" where an organization tracks revenue and expenses and shows how money is spent. Then there are things called "audits" in which an outside agency comes in and monitors the accounting done by the organization.

We have audits every year to ensure our general revenue funds are not co-mingled with out grant funds and that expenditures are tracked correctly.

Case closed!

Not really.

They will be DEFUNDED!

Possibly, but it will be due to appeals to emotion and not because of what you claim.



>>>>

You are totally 100% wrong!
The number 327,653 comes from their report!

Do you understand? PP GAVE that number of abortions!
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/6714/1996/2641/2013-2014_Annual_Report_FINAL_WEB_VERSION.pdf

NO Conclusions. Simple facts they did 327,653 abortions.

NOW NO where in their reports to they show a segregation of operating expenses for abortions!
Their operating expenses are all lumped together.
AGAIN from their financial report:

DO YOU SEE ANY segregation of expenses for Abortions in the below financial statement?

NOTHING! Supporting services include Management and General !
AGAIN all the revenue is lumped together. All the operating expenses lumped together.
FACT is then TAX dollars coming in as revenue is paying for abortions!

Proof that I'm 100% RIGHT comes from the simple fact if they DID segregate operating expenses WOULD THEY NOT be sharing that loudly and all around?
Where are any reports that show this segregation of operating expenses for abortions? NOT THERE !
If there is NO segregation then they are USING tax dollars and that is against the Hyde Amendment!

Obviously this is still too complicated for your simple mind to comprehend! So maybe a flash from the past!!
"If it doesn't fit you must acquit"! Remember that?
Well If PP doesn't segregate abortion expenses, they must be defunded"! It is the law!

 

[rightwinger]

The Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of certain federal funds to pay for abortion unless the pregnancy arises from incest, rape, or to save the life of the mother.
The Hyde Amendment is not a permanent law, but rather is a "rider" that in various forms has been routinely attached to annual appropriations bills since 1976. Legislation including the Hyde Amendment generally only restricts the use of funds allocated for the Department of Health and Human Services and primarily affects Medicaid.

So how difficult would it be for Planned Parenthood (PP) to keep separate books?
One set showing expenditures/receipts for NON-Federal Funds and another set of expenditures/receipts for Federal funds?

Now this would mean PP would have to have abortions done in separate unattached facilities so that
all the operating expenses i.e. utilities, lease payments, as well as equipment, and employee salaries
paid out of the separate NON-Federal funds account.

You'd think PP would eliminate ANY of the violation of the Hyde Amendment simply by having these
stand alone facilities. That way all expenses would be paid from NON-Federal Funds?

Until PP can show that NO FEDERAL FUNDS are used for abortions, then Federal funding is in violation of the HYDE Amendment.

Planned Parenthood is an evil organization. They not only perform hundreds of thousands of organizations they engage in criminal acts such as not reporting rapists and shielding child abortions from their parents. They clearly encourage their patients to have an abortion and do next to nothing to suggest adoption as an alternative. The origins of their organization is racist and diabolical.

They engage in the sale of baby organs and they are very profit oriented in maximizing the sale of these body parts. Just because the sickening government will not prosecute, just because the sickening leftist media will do all they can to deny or spin away the evidence does nothing accept satisfy those on the left or those who are so adamantly pro-abortion that everything is benign and copacetic. These are the kind of jokes this nation plays upon itself. God is not laughing.

To think this govt funding is not advancing their diabolical causes takes an immeasurable amount of gullibility.

Planned Parenthood has supported family planning for generations

Through family planning they have prevented more abortions than all the Republican attempts to ban abortion

 

[healthmyths]

The Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of certain federal funds to pay for abortion unless the pregnancy arises from incest, rape, or to save the life of the mother.
The Hyde Amendment is not a permanent law, but rather is a "rider" that in various forms has been routinely attached to annual appropriations bills since 1976. Legislation including the Hyde Amendment generally only restricts the use of funds allocated for the Department of Health and Human Services and primarily affects Medicaid.

So how difficult would it be for Planned Parenthood (PP) to keep separate books?
One set showing expenditures/receipts for NON-Federal Funds and another set of expenditures/receipts for Federal funds?

Now this would mean PP would have to have abortions done in separate unattached facilities so that
all the operating expenses i.e. utilities, lease payments, as well as equipment, and employee salaries
paid out of the separate NON-Federal funds account.

You'd think PP would eliminate ANY of the violation of the Hyde Amendment simply by having these
stand alone facilities. That way all expenses would be paid from NON-Federal Funds?

Until PP can show that NO FEDERAL FUNDS are used for abortions, then Federal funding is in violation of the HYDE Amendment.

Planned Parenthood is an evil organization. They not only perform hundreds of thousands of organizations they engage in criminal acts such as not reporting rapists and shielding child abortions from their parents. They clearly encourage their patients to have an abortion and do next to nothing to suggest adoption as an alternative. The origins of their organization is racist and diabolical.

They engage in the sale of baby organs and they are very profit oriented in maximizing the sale of these body parts. Just because the sickening government will not prosecute, just because the sickening leftist media will do all they can to deny or spin away the evidence does nothing accept satisfy those on the left or those who are so adamantly pro-abortion that everything is benign and copacetic. These are the kind of jokes this nation plays upon itself. God is not laughing.

To think this govt funding is not advancing their diabolical causes takes an immeasurable amount of gullibility.

Planned Parenthood has supported family planning for generations

Through family planning they have prevented more abortions than all the Republican attempts to ban abortion

That's admirable.
Now to the facts.
They did kill 327,000 fetuses and parts of the fetuses were sold.
PP does get Federal funds and they've used them in violation of the Hyde Amendment.
Why is it so hard for them to have separate stand alone abortion clinics that do ONLY abortions and all expenses paid from NON-Federal funds?
Is that so hard to do?

 

[rightwinger]

The Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of certain federal funds to pay for abortion unless the pregnancy arises from incest, rape, or to save the life of the mother.
The Hyde Amendment is not a permanent law, but rather is a "rider" that in various forms has been routinely attached to annual appropriations bills since 1976. Legislation including the Hyde Amendment generally only restricts the use of funds allocated for the Department of Health and Human Services and primarily affects Medicaid.

So how difficult would it be for Planned Parenthood (PP) to keep separate books?
One set showing expenditures/receipts for NON-Federal Funds and another set of expenditures/receipts for Federal funds?

Now this would mean PP would have to have abortions done in separate unattached facilities so that
all the operating expenses i.e. utilities, lease payments, as well as equipment, and employee salaries
paid out of the separate NON-Federal funds account.

You'd think PP would eliminate ANY of the violation of the Hyde Amendment simply by having these
stand alone facilities. That way all expenses would be paid from NON-Federal Funds?

Until PP can show that NO FEDERAL FUNDS are used for abortions, then Federal funding is in violation of the HYDE Amendment.

Planned Parenthood is an evil organization. They not only perform hundreds of thousands of organizations they engage in criminal acts such as not reporting rapists and shielding child abortions from their parents. They clearly encourage their patients to have an abortion and do next to nothing to suggest adoption as an alternative. The origins of their organization is racist and diabolical.

They engage in the sale of baby organs and they are very profit oriented in maximizing the sale of these body parts. Just because the sickening government will not prosecute, just because the sickening leftist media will do all they can to deny or spin away the evidence does nothing accept satisfy those on the left or those who are so adamantly pro-abortion that everything is benign and copacetic. These are the kind of jokes this nation plays upon itself. God is not laughing.

To think this govt funding is not advancing their diabolical causes takes an immeasurable amount of gullibility.

Planned Parenthood has supported family planning for generations

Through family planning they have prevented more abortions than all the Republican attempts to ban abortion

That's admirable.
Now to the facts.
They did kill 327,000 fetuses and parts of the fetuses were sold.
PP does get Federal funds and they've used them in violation of the Hyde Amendment.
Why is it so hard for them to have separate stand alone abortion clinics that do ONLY abortions and all expenses paid from NON-Federal funds?
Is that so hard to do?

Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions through councelling and birth control than Republicans do by trying to intimidate and shame pregnant women

 

[healthmyths]

The Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of certain federal funds to pay for abortion unless the pregnancy arises from incest, rape, or to save the life of the mother.
The Hyde Amendment is not a permanent law, but rather is a "rider" that in various forms has been routinely attached to annual appropriations bills since 1976. Legislation including the Hyde Amendment generally only restricts the use of funds allocated for the Department of Health and Human Services and primarily affects Medicaid.

So how difficult would it be for Planned Parenthood (PP) to keep separate books?
One set showing expenditures/receipts for NON-Federal Funds and another set of expenditures/receipts for Federal funds?

Now this would mean PP would have to have abortions done in separate unattached facilities so that
all the operating expenses i.e. utilities, lease payments, as well as equipment, and employee salaries
paid out of the separate NON-Federal funds account.

You'd think PP would eliminate ANY of the violation of the Hyde Amendment simply by having these
stand alone facilities. That way all expenses would be paid from NON-Federal Funds?

Until PP can show that NO FEDERAL FUNDS are used for abortions, then Federal funding is in violation of the HYDE Amendment.

Planned Parenthood is an evil organization. They not only perform hundreds of thousands of organizations they engage in criminal acts such as not reporting rapists and shielding child abortions from their parents. They clearly encourage their patients to have an abortion and do next to nothing to suggest adoption as an alternative. The origins of their organization is racist and diabolical.

They engage in the sale of baby organs and they are very profit oriented in maximizing the sale of these body parts. Just because the sickening government will not prosecute, just because the sickening leftist media will do all they can to deny or spin away the evidence does nothing accept satisfy those on the left or those who are so adamantly pro-abortion that everything is benign and copacetic. These are the kind of jokes this nation plays upon itself. God is not laughing.

To think this govt funding is not advancing their diabolical causes takes an immeasurable amount of gullibility.

Planned Parenthood has supported family planning for generations

Through family planning they have prevented more abortions than all the Republican attempts to ban abortion

That's admirable.
Now to the facts.
They did kill 327,000 fetuses and parts of the fetuses were sold.
PP does get Federal funds and they've used them in violation of the Hyde Amendment.
Why is it so hard for them to have separate stand alone abortion clinics that do ONLY abortions and all expenses paid from NON-Federal funds?
Is that so hard to do?

Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions through councelling and birth control than Republicans do by trying to intimidate and shame pregnant women

And they kill 327,000 fetuses per year while collecting $528 million a year in tax payers money.
All the while they are do eugenics practices because while Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America.
And you support that? For shame!
BlackGenocide.org | Planned Parenthood

 

[JakeStarkey]

Let people make up their own minds, healthmyths.

You are not in charge.

 

[healthmyths]

Let people make up their own minds, healthmyths.

You are not in charge.

Of course the FACTS not my opinion makes the difference and the FACTS sir are:
PP killed 327,000 fetuses of which PP made money off selling baby parts all the while PP took $528 million in taxpayers' money helped fund the abortions illegally!

Where is there an opinion there? All FACTS documented with this web page from PP own web site:
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/6714/1996/2641/2013-2014_Annual_Report_FINAL_WEB_VERSION.pdf

If you are not smart enough to read these documents don't denigrate other people then ok?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The facts prove you are wrong, hm.

The federal government does not pay for abortions.

If you can't understand the truth, then that's your issue.

 

[healthmyths]

The facts prove you are wrong, hm.

The federal government does not pay for abortions.

If you can't understand the truth, then that's your issue.

And you don't seem to comprehend.. Governments including the Federal sent $528 million to PP. What did they do with it then?
They spent: $769.1 million which included performing Medical Services including

327,653 abortions

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your facts don't show the feds pay for abortions.

You do understand those funds go to pay for medical services used by poor women?

 

[healthmyths]

Your facts don't show the feds pay for abortions.

You do understand those funds go to pay for medical services used by poor women?

And how long before you admit the simple facts that 1 + 1 = 2?

When PP takes $528 million from government services this is TAX money that by Federal law can't be spent on abortions.
When part of the $769 million in "medical services" is used to pay for abortion expenses there is NO separation of abortion expenses!
If there is NO separation then by Federal law since PP won't segregate abortion expenses then PP is defunded.
That simple.
You can't get away from the simple fact that co-mingled monies are used to pay medical services of which abortions are part of the services.

It is THAT simple.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Show us exactly where the fed money pays for abortions.

Exactly.

Oh, that's right, you can't do it.

 

[Agit8r]

Such procedures are not covered by Medicaid insurance... because of the Hyde Amendment.

See, you answered your own question

 

[healthmyths]

Show us exactly where the fed money pays for abortions.

Exactly.

Oh, that's right, you can't do it.

PP annual report shows they performed 327,000 abortions.
PP annual report shows $528 million paid to PP in government funds including Federal funds.
There is NO report of individuals paying PP for their abortions.
Therefore who paid for the abortion services? The salaries, etc. for abortion services paid from general funds which included $528 million in government revenue.

 

[healthmyths]

This is such an GREAT example of how the vast majority of ignorant people, like most leftwing crazies don't have any understanding of how money works and much less understanding of simple arithmetic!

PP can't show they are spending ONLY non-governmental funds for abortions which by the way is fine with me!
People want to donate to an ethnic cleansing entity that historically did "planned parenthood" to control racial make up fine.
But tax money used to pay the expenses of abortion is against the law and Congress has agreed!

Update at December 3, 2015 8:40 p.m. ET:
Senate passed legislation to defund Planned Parenthood and repeal the Affordable Care Act, with a 52-47 vote.
Senate Passes Bill To Defund Planned Parenthood, Repeal Health Law