How do I reach you?

[OldLady]

Youtube is a great tool to be taught visually....

That is a great vid, Eaglewings. I'm going to share that with her, for sure. We're working on nonfiction in this class, but the process is the same.

 

[Vastator]

I've got a new college student I really like that I am helping with an English Comp class. She's in a program for low income moms and their young children; it's a great program, but not all of them are really ready, academically, for college. With this young lady, I'm banging my head on the wall. After a month of trying, I feel like Annie Sullivan crying to Helen Keller "HOW DO I REACH YOU?"

She's a concrete thinker. She is supposed to learn to analyze pieces of writing from the perspective of genre, audience, writer, purpose, etc. She cannot move off telling us what the piece is about. She looks at me with that glazed look when I say "Step back and look at the piece from the perspective of why it was written, not WHAT was written." She can't make that leap to analysis; all her responses devolve back into a book report. I don't know what else to do with her. The prof gives her questions to answer, but it doesn't help. She's not a drooling idiot. I think she could do it with the right assistance climbing onto the first rung of the ladder, but I don't know what to do to get her there.

I know there are some smart and wise people on this board, so if any of you have any experience with this, please, please, please help.

When someone is smart, but won't use their capabilities, it is usually centered in insecurities.

She is most like secure with her ability to comprehend what is written.
She is also most likely insecure with risking a personal evaluation based on skills outside of her comfort zone with plain comprehension.

My guess is that she doesn't like being 'wrong' and won't risk less than the obvious in a response.
The only way you overcome that is experience, practice, creativity and encouragement.

A quick fix is to find a way to get her to understand that being less than 100% correct is okay and not the end of the world.

.

You're very right there, and very wise. She has flat out told us that she was criticized and ignored and laughed at for her uneducated dialect as a kid. She's as good as anyone else in the class at plowing through the reading, but when it comes to putting her thoughts on paper--excuse my French, but she sucks. I wish I had more time to work with her, without this class bearing down on her like a speeding locomotive, to expand her comfort zone.

Thanks, BlackSand--and everyone else who has had helpful suggestions.

Uneducated dialect...? Is that PC speak for Ebonics?

 

[OldLady]

I am a student. Well not of writing/English, my subject is maths, but maybe I can offer a clue. I used to drive my tutors crazy. So badly, that one was so upset he forgot to take his fee at the last lesson. I would say your student needs to realize herself where she goes wrong. She is trying to do the work before understanding what is required. That is a result of motivation in the negative sense, that and pressure. Is there a point to educate people when you need a genius IQ at minimum to get a job, anyways? She may do better with cosmetics school instead of college. She will make more money too.

I remember you were very helpful when I asked a math question a few months ago. I know she is trying to do the work before understanding what is required--that's the easy part. The hard part is helping her to understand.

I'm not ready to steer her into cosmetology school yet, although in general I don't disagree with you.

On the surface... It sounds like you're trying to shoehorn her into a role for which she's either intellectually ill equipped, or doesn't have a natural talent for... Why not play to her strengths?

All I can say, Vastator, is it is GOOD that you didn't choose to go into teaching.

 

[OldLady]

I've got a new college student I really like that I am helping with an English Comp class. She's in a program for low income moms and their young children; it's a great program, but not all of them are really ready, academically, for college. With this young lady, I'm banging my head on the wall. After a month of trying, I feel like Annie Sullivan crying to Helen Keller "HOW DO I REACH YOU?"

She's a concrete thinker. She is supposed to learn to analyze pieces of writing from the perspective of genre, audience, writer, purpose, etc. She cannot move off telling us what the piece is about. She looks at me with that glazed look when I say "Step back and look at the piece from the perspective of why it was written, not WHAT was written." She can't make that leap to analysis; all her responses devolve back into a book report. I don't know what else to do with her. The prof gives her questions to answer, but it doesn't help. She's not a drooling idiot. I think she could do it with the right assistance climbing onto the first rung of the ladder, but I don't know what to do to get her there.

I know there are some smart and wise people on this board, so if any of you have any experience with this, please, please, please help.

When someone is smart, but won't use their capabilities, it is usually centered in insecurities.

She is most like secure with her ability to comprehend what is written.
She is also most likely insecure with risking a personal evaluation based on skills outside of her comfort zone with plain comprehension.

My guess is that she doesn't like being 'wrong' and won't risk less than the obvious in a response.
The only way you overcome that is experience, practice, creativity and encouragement.

A quick fix is to find a way to get her to understand that being less than 100% correct is okay and not the end of the world.

.

You're very right there, and very wise. She has flat out told us that she was criticized and ignored and laughed at for her uneducated dialect as a kid. She's as good as anyone else in the class at plowing through the reading, but when it comes to putting her thoughts on paper--excuse my French, but she sucks. I wish I had more time to work with her, without this class bearing down on her like a speeding locomotive, to expand her comfort zone.

Thanks, BlackSand--and everyone else who has had helpful suggestions.

Uneducated dialect...? Is that PC speak for Ebonics?

No. Ain't you never heard regular folks talk?

 

[Vastator]

I am a student. Well not of writing/English, my subject is maths, but maybe I can offer a clue. I used to drive my tutors crazy. So badly, that one was so upset he forgot to take his fee at the last lesson. I would say your student needs to realize herself where she goes wrong. She is trying to do the work before understanding what is required. That is a result of motivation in the negative sense, that and pressure. Is there a point to educate people when you need a genius IQ at minimum to get a job, anyways? She may do better with cosmetics school instead of college. She will make more money too.

I remember you were very helpful when I asked a math question a few months ago. I know she is trying to do the work before understanding what is required--that's the easy part. The hard part is helping her to understand.

I'm not ready to steer her into cosmetology school yet, although in general I don't disagree with you.

On the surface... It sounds like you're trying to shoehorn her into a role for which she's either intellectually ill equipped, or doesn't have a natural talent for... Why not play to her strengths?

All I can say, Vastator, is it is GOOD that you didn't choose to go into teaching.

Funny thing... I nearly did.

 

[Lewdog]

I've got a new college student I really like that I am helping with an English Comp class. She's in a program for low income moms and their young children; it's a great program, but not all of them are really ready, academically, for college. With this young lady, I'm banging my head on the wall. After a month of trying, I feel like Annie Sullivan crying to Helen Keller "HOW DO I REACH YOU?"

She's a concrete thinker. She is supposed to learn to analyze pieces of writing from the perspective of genre, audience, writer, purpose, etc. She cannot move off telling us what the piece is about. She looks at me with that glazed look when I say "Step back and look at the piece from the perspective of why it was written, not WHAT was written." She can't make that leap to analysis; all her responses devolve back into a book report. I don't know what else to do with her. The prof gives her questions to answer, but it doesn't help. She's not a drooling idiot. I think she could do it with the right assistance climbing onto the first rung of the ladder, but I don't know what to do to get her there.

I know there are some smart and wise people on this board, so if any of you have any experience with this, please, please, please help.

When someone is smart, but won't use their capabilities, it is usually centered in insecurities.

She is most like secure with her ability to comprehend what is written.
She is also most likely insecure with risking a personal evaluation based on skills outside of her comfort zone with plain comprehension.

My guess is that she doesn't like being 'wrong' and won't risk less than the obvious in a response.
The only way you overcome that is experience, practice, creativity and encouragement.

A quick fix is to find a way to get her to understand that being less than 100% correct is okay and not the end of the world.

.

You're very right there, and very wise. She has flat out told us that she was criticized and ignored and laughed at for her uneducated dialect as a kid. She's as good as anyone else in the class at plowing through the reading, but when it comes to putting her thoughts on paper--excuse my French, but she sucks. I wish I had more time to work with her, without this class bearing down on her like a speeding locomotive, to expand her comfort zone.

Thanks, BlackSand--and everyone else who has had helpful suggestions.

Uneducated dialect...? Is that PC speak for Ebonics?

No. Ain't you never heard regular folks talk?

 

[Eaglewings]

Youtube is a great tool to be taught visually....

That is a great vid, Eaglewings. I'm going to share that with her, for sure. We're working on nonfiction in this class, but the process is the same.

If it helps her, just type in the lesson on youtube..I have learned plumbing, fixed things on my computer and phone..If I read it in a book or someone told me I am like What are you talking about..
I am a visual learner.. so I get it.

.

 

[OldLady]

She is probably doing it every day and doesn't even realize it. I bet she can recognize a hustler. I bet she applies that to an entire group of people she refuses to interact with at all. I bet she has seen late night commercials that target the elderly. She might even zone out or ignore them because she isn't the one those commercials were written for. I bet she has heard commercials on the radio that target low income people with good credit/bad credit/no credit at all for a vehicle. Then there are those commercials that offer insurance for people with DUIs. Commercials target different people of different classes.

Perhaps if she sees how she is already analyzing why those messages are being sent and how she filters them in and out then it won't seem unreachable. Some people will never move out of concrete thinking. Some people just need a little more confidence in the knowledge they already possess.

Kisses, Disir. Unlike some of the posters here who are ready to write her off, I KNOW she is not hopeless. I'm going to keep in mind that confidence (which she sure isn't getting so far in this class) is as important as the content, especially at first. Thank you.

You might be missing a simple solution.

Not so helpful, there, Unk. Per usual.

 

[Lewdog]

Youtube is a great tool to be taught visually....

That is a great vid, Eaglewings. I'm going to share that with her, for sure. We're working on nonfiction in this class, but the process is the same.

If it helps her, just type in the lesson on youtube..I have learned plumbing, fixed things on my computer and phone..If I read it in a book or someone told me I am like What are you talking about..
I am a visual learner.. so I get it.

.

That's awesome. The best thing I learned on the internet is the birds and the bees.

 

[Vastator]

She is probably doing it every day and doesn't even realize it. I bet she can recognize a hustler. I bet she applies that to an entire group of people she refuses to interact with at all. I bet she has seen late night commercials that target the elderly. She might even zone out or ignore them because she isn't the one those commercials were written for. I bet she has heard commercials on the radio that target low income people with good credit/bad credit/no credit at all for a vehicle. Then there are those commercials that offer insurance for people with DUIs. Commercials target different people of different classes.

Perhaps if she sees how she is already analyzing why those messages are being sent and how she filters them in and out then it won't seem unreachable. Some people will never move out of concrete thinking. Some people just need a little more confidence in the knowledge they already possess.

Kisses, Disir. Unlike some of the posters here who are ready to write her off, I KNOW she is not hopeless. I'm going to keep in mind that confidence (which she sure isn't getting so far in this class) is as important as the content, especially at first. Thank you.

You might be missing a simple solution.

Not so helpful, there, Unk. Per usual.

He wants to be wanted... He wants you to ask...

 

[OldLady]

She is probably doing it every day and doesn't even realize it. I bet she can recognize a hustler. I bet she applies that to an entire group of people she refuses to interact with at all. I bet she has seen late night commercials that target the elderly. She might even zone out or ignore them because she isn't the one those commercials were written for. I bet she has heard commercials on the radio that target low income people with good credit/bad credit/no credit at all for a vehicle. Then there are those commercials that offer insurance for people with DUIs. Commercials target different people of different classes.

Perhaps if she sees how she is already analyzing why those messages are being sent and how she filters them in and out then it won't seem unreachable. Some people will never move out of concrete thinking. Some people just need a little more confidence in the knowledge they already possess.

Kisses, Disir. Unlike some of the posters here who are ready to write her off, I KNOW she is not hopeless. I'm going to keep in mind that confidence (which she sure isn't getting so far in this class) is as important as the content, especially at first. Thank you.

You might be missing a simple solution.

Not so helpful, there, Unk. Per usual.

He wants to be wanted... He wants you to ask...

Okay, I'll try, but if he replies it will be the first time he's ever answered me. LOL

 

[leftwinger]

I've got a new college student I really like that I am helping with an English Comp class. She's in a program for low income moms and their young children; it's a great program, but not all of them are really ready, academically, for college. With this young lady, I'm banging my head on the wall. After a month of trying, I feel like Annie Sullivan crying to Helen Keller "HOW DO I REACH YOU?"

She's a concrete thinker. She is supposed to learn to analyze pieces of writing from the perspective of genre, audience, writer, purpose, etc. She cannot move off telling us what the piece is about. She looks at me with that glazed look when I say "Step back and look at the piece from the perspective of why it was written, not WHAT was written." She can't make that leap to analysis; all her responses devolve back into a book report. I don't know what else to do with her. The prof gives her questions to answer, but it doesn't help. She's not a drooling idiot. I think she could do it with the right assistance climbing onto the first rung of the ladder, but I don't know what to do to get her there.

I know there are some smart and wise people on this board, so if any of you have any experience with this, please, please, please help.

English comp? Single mother? Welfare queen? Waste of time and money. Two words for you, below. Maybe you are the problem? you may be a lousy teacher? Get out of the GOVT SCAM. I don't want to pay for salsa dancing hogs to twerk shuck jive breed.

Trade School.

 

[OldLady]

She is probably doing it every day and doesn't even realize it. I bet she can recognize a hustler. I bet she applies that to an entire group of people she refuses to interact with at all. I bet she has seen late night commercials that target the elderly. She might even zone out or ignore them because she isn't the one those commercials were written for. I bet she has heard commercials on the radio that target low income people with good credit/bad credit/no credit at all for a vehicle. Then there are those commercials that offer insurance for people with DUIs. Commercials target different people of different classes.

Perhaps if she sees how she is already analyzing why those messages are being sent and how she filters them in and out then it won't seem unreachable. Some people will never move out of concrete thinking. Some people just need a little more confidence in the knowledge they already possess.

Kisses, Disir. Unlike some of the posters here who are ready to write her off, I KNOW she is not hopeless. I'm going to keep in mind that confidence (which she sure isn't getting so far in this class) is as important as the content, especially at first. Thank you.

You might be missing a simple solution.

What would that be?

 

[Marion Morrison]

I've got a new college student I really like that I am helping with an English Comp class. She's in a program for low income moms and their young children; it's a great program, but not all of them are really ready, academically, for college. With this young lady, I'm banging my head on the wall. After a month of trying, I feel like Annie Sullivan crying to Helen Keller "HOW DO I REACH YOU?"

She's a concrete thinker. She is supposed to learn to analyze pieces of writing from the perspective of genre, audience, writer, purpose, etc. She cannot move off telling us what the piece is about. She looks at me with that glazed look when I say "Step back and look at the piece from the perspective of why it was written, not WHAT was written." She can't make that leap to analysis; all her responses devolve back into a book report. I don't know what else to do with her. The prof gives her questions to answer, but it doesn't help. She's not a drooling idiot. I think she could do it with the right assistance climbing onto the first rung of the ladder, but I don't know what to do to get her there.

I know there are some smart and wise people on this board, so if any of you have any experience with this, please, please, please help.

When someone is smart, but won't use their capabilities, it is usually centered in insecurities.

She is most like secure with her ability to comprehend what is written.
She is also most likely insecure with risking a personal evaluation based on skills outside of her comfort zone with plain comprehension.

My guess is that she doesn't like being 'wrong' and won't risk less than the obvious in a response.
The only way you overcome that is experience, practice, creativity and encouragement.

A quick fix is to find a way to get her to understand that being less than 100% correct is okay and not the end of the world.

.

You're very right there, and very wise. She has flat out told us that she was criticized and ignored and laughed at for her uneducated dialect as a kid. She's as good as anyone else in the class at plowing through the reading, but when it comes to putting her thoughts on paper--excuse my French, but she sucks. I wish I had more time to work with her, without this class bearing down on her like a speeding locomotive, to expand her comfort zone.

Thanks, BlackSand--and everyone else who has had helpful suggestions.

Uneducated dialect...? Is that PC speak for Ebonics?

No. Ain't you never heard regular folks talk?

You know what? My English professor was from GA and talked plain sometimes.

He was good! I may not show that, but that's me, not him.

I did some tutoring for credits while in school. I couldn't reach everybody, but I did try. Some did manage to get it after a while. I may not have as much patience as others do. You can't give up..for a while.

 

[Eaglewings]

I've got a new college student I really like that I am helping with an English Comp class. She's in a program for low income moms and their young children; it's a great program, but not all of them are really ready, academically, for college. With this young lady, I'm banging my head on the wall. After a month of trying, I feel like Annie Sullivan crying to Helen Keller "HOW DO I REACH YOU?"

She's a concrete thinker. She is supposed to learn to analyze pieces of writing from the perspective of genre, audience, writer, purpose, etc. She cannot move off telling us what the piece is about. She looks at me with that glazed look when I say "Step back and look at the piece from the perspective of why it was written, not WHAT was written." She can't make that leap to analysis; all her responses devolve back into a book report. I don't know what else to do with her. The prof gives her questions to answer, but it doesn't help. She's not a drooling idiot. I think she could do it with the right assistance climbing onto the first rung of the ladder, but I don't know what to do to get her there.

I know there are some smart and wise people on this board, so if any of you have any experience with this, please, please, please help.

English comp? Single mother? Welfare queen? Waste of time and money. Two words for you, below. Maybe you are the problem? you may be a lousy teacher? Get out of the GOVT SCAM. I don't want to pay for salsa dancing hogs to twerk shuck jive breed.

Trade School.

Did you know that the author of Harry Potter was on welfare ?

.

 

[Unkotare]

She is probably doing it every day and doesn't even realize it. I bet she can recognize a hustler. I bet she applies that to an entire group of people she refuses to interact with at all. I bet she has seen late night commercials that target the elderly. She might even zone out or ignore them because she isn't the one those commercials were written for. I bet she has heard commercials on the radio that target low income people with good credit/bad credit/no credit at all for a vehicle. Then there are those commercials that offer insurance for people with DUIs. Commercials target different people of different classes.

Perhaps if she sees how she is already analyzing why those messages are being sent and how she filters them in and out then it won't seem unreachable. Some people will never move out of concrete thinking. Some people just need a little more confidence in the knowledge they already possess.

Kisses, Disir. Unlike some of the posters here who are ready to write her off, I KNOW she is not hopeless. I'm going to keep in mind that confidence (which she sure isn't getting so far in this class) is as important as the content, especially at first. Thank you.

You might be missing a simple solution.

Not so helpful, there, Unk. Per usual.

Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Lewdog]

I've got a new college student I really like that I am helping with an English Comp class. She's in a program for low income moms and their young children; it's a great program, but not all of them are really ready, academically, for college. With this young lady, I'm banging my head on the wall. After a month of trying, I feel like Annie Sullivan crying to Helen Keller "HOW DO I REACH YOU?"

She's a concrete thinker. She is supposed to learn to analyze pieces of writing from the perspective of genre, audience, writer, purpose, etc. She cannot move off telling us what the piece is about. She looks at me with that glazed look when I say "Step back and look at the piece from the perspective of why it was written, not WHAT was written." She can't make that leap to analysis; all her responses devolve back into a book report. I don't know what else to do with her. The prof gives her questions to answer, but it doesn't help. She's not a drooling idiot. I think she could do it with the right assistance climbing onto the first rung of the ladder, but I don't know what to do to get her there.

I know there are some smart and wise people on this board, so if any of you have any experience with this, please, please, please help.

English comp? Single mother? Welfare queen? Waste of time and money. Two words for you, below. Maybe you are the problem? you may be a lousy teacher? Get out of the GOVT SCAM. I don't want to pay for salsa dancing hogs to twerk shuck jive breed.

Trade School.

Did you know that the author of Harry Potter was on welfare ?

.

Writers are idiots who make no positive advances in society and are often useless liberals who encourage violence and separations in society. They also build unnecessary debt and take away grant money that could be used elsewhere, on their worthless liberal arts degrees.

 

[Unkotare]

She is probably doing it every day and doesn't even realize it. I bet she can recognize a hustler. I bet she applies that to an entire group of people she refuses to interact with at all. I bet she has seen late night commercials that target the elderly. She might even zone out or ignore them because she isn't the one those commercials were written for. I bet she has heard commercials on the radio that target low income people with good credit/bad credit/no credit at all for a vehicle. Then there are those commercials that offer insurance for people with DUIs. Commercials target different people of different classes.

Perhaps if she sees how she is already analyzing why those messages are being sent and how she filters them in and out then it won't seem unreachable. Some people will never move out of concrete thinking. Some people just need a little more confidence in the knowledge they already possess.

Kisses, Disir. Unlike some of the posters here who are ready to write her off, I KNOW she is not hopeless. I'm going to keep in mind that confidence (which she sure isn't getting so far in this class) is as important as the content, especially at first. Thank you.

You might be missing a simple solution.

What would that be?

Maybe she needs a different tutor. Sometimes a different perspective or combination of personalities can elicit different results.

 

[Unkotare]

I've got a new college student I really like that I am helping with an English Comp class. She's in a program for low income moms and their young children; it's a great program, but not all of them are really ready, academically, for college. With this young lady, I'm banging my head on the wall. After a month of trying, I feel like Annie Sullivan crying to Helen Keller "HOW DO I REACH YOU?"

She's a concrete thinker. She is supposed to learn to analyze pieces of writing from the perspective of genre, audience, writer, purpose, etc. She cannot move off telling us what the piece is about. She looks at me with that glazed look when I say "Step back and look at the piece from the perspective of why it was written, not WHAT was written." She can't make that leap to analysis; all her responses devolve back into a book report. I don't know what else to do with her. The prof gives her questions to answer, but it doesn't help. She's not a drooling idiot. I think she could do it with the right assistance climbing onto the first rung of the ladder, but I don't know what to do to get her there.

I know there are some smart and wise people on this board, so if any of you have any experience with this, please, please, please help.

English comp? Single mother? Welfare queen? Waste of time and money. Two words for you, below. Maybe you are the problem? you may be a lousy teacher? Get out of the GOVT SCAM. I don't want to pay for salsa dancing hogs to twerk shuck jive breed.

Trade School.

Did you know that the author of Harry Potter was on welfare ?

.

Writers are idiots who make no positive advances in society and are often useless liberals who encourage violence and separations in society. They also build unnecessary debt and take away grant money that could be used elsewhere, on their worthless liberal arts degrees.

...

Pointless trolling ^^^^^^^

 

[Eaglewings]

I've got a new college student I really like that I am helping with an English Comp class. She's in a program for low income moms and their young children; it's a great program, but not all of them are really ready, academically, for college. With this young lady, I'm banging my head on the wall. After a month of trying, I feel like Annie Sullivan crying to Helen Keller "HOW DO I REACH YOU?"

She's a concrete thinker. She is supposed to learn to analyze pieces of writing from the perspective of genre, audience, writer, purpose, etc. She cannot move off telling us what the piece is about. She looks at me with that glazed look when I say "Step back and look at the piece from the perspective of why it was written, not WHAT was written." She can't make that leap to analysis; all her responses devolve back into a book report. I don't know what else to do with her. The prof gives her questions to answer, but it doesn't help. She's not a drooling idiot. I think she could do it with the right assistance climbing onto the first rung of the ladder, but I don't know what to do to get her there.

I know there are some smart and wise people on this board, so if any of you have any experience with this, please, please, please help.

English comp? Single mother? Welfare queen? Waste of time and money. Two words for you, below. Maybe you are the problem? you may be a lousy teacher? Get out of the GOVT SCAM. I don't want to pay for salsa dancing hogs to twerk shuck jive breed.

Trade School.

Did you know that the author of Harry Potter was on welfare ?

.

Writers are idiots who make no positive advances in society and are often useless liberals who encourage violence and separations in society. They also build unnecessary debt and take away grant money that could be used elsewhere, on their worthless liberal arts degrees.

You might want to get a tutor , because you obviously do not have a clue what you are talking about..

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