House 9495....what's the effing problem Dems?

[Winston]

No requirement to furnish evidence? That's a lie!
Evidence = a proven money flow to terrorist recipients....like Hamas, Hezbollah....Iran.

It's not going over in a envelope marked terror contributions you dumb ass. Shell companies and NGOs launder it layer for layer.

Y ou are one stupid shit. Not that I am surprised, supportinG

All accusations require evidence you nano mind. There are c ourt systems.

290 groups oppose the bill? Bwahahaha...oh yeah I'll just freaking bet they oppose it.

Damn, but you are one stupid shithead. I asked you to copy and paste the part of the bill that required evidence. Still haven't seen it.

 

[justoffal]

Y ou are one stupid shit. Not that I am surprised, supportinG

Damn, but you are one stupid shithead. I asked you to copy and paste the part of the bill that required evidence. Still haven't seen it.

None of the federal code includes federal court procedures winny.
That's why it's called the federal court system. Trump can't just unilaterally accuse and then deny. He can open an investigation through. It's the IRS that has too much power buddy....

 

[JGalt]

we think, with plenty of evidence, that the oath keepers, proud boys and such are "terrorist organizations."

you're tight. i would have shut them down.

They're not terrorists, they're "patriots."

Back in the 1700's they would have been among those who signed the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, and fought against British tyranny.

 

[JGalt]

Y ou are one stupid shit. Not that I am surprised, supportinG

Damn, but you are one stupid shithead. I asked you to copy and paste the part of the bill that required evidence. Still haven't seen it.

STFU loser.

312 > 226

 

[JGalt]

You really need to be more informed. It is already against the law to provide aid to terrorists. Those tax penalties and abatements were stopped months ago, I believe it was in February. Democrats have repeatedly attempted to introduce a stand-alone bill that would make those provisions permanent. They have been repeatedly blocked. Even the primary sponsor of the bill, in debate yesterday, admitted, the IRS already removes those penalties on the back end, when the person returns. Why do they need it removed on the front end? I mean damn, you are sitting in a rat and roach infested jail cell in Iran, you really think you are worrying about your taxes? Ridiculious.

Evidently, you are a libertarian, JGalt. I got to ask, why would a libertarian hand over so much power to a president, or worse, to an unelected member of his cabinet. Read Doggett's speech. The man has been in Congress for almost three decades.

This bill has nothing to do with those that fund terrorism. It has nothing to do with tax penalties for Americans held hostage overseas. It has everything to do with giving the president, or the Secretary of the Treasury, the ability to unilateral revoke the tax-exempt status of any organization. With no requirement to furnish evidence. The ability to appeal, it is a damn joke. It is after the fact, and Trump already has half the federal judiciary in his back pocket, separation of powers be damned.

Fuck you. If I wanted information you'd be the last person I'd go to.

The only thing you have is spin and bullshit.

 

[Winston]

None of the federal code includes federal court procedures winny.
That's why it's called the federal court system. Trump can't just unilaterally accuse and then deny. He can open an investigation through. It's the IRS that has too much power buddy....

Read the damn bill dumbshit

None of the federal code includes federal court procedures winny.
That's why it's called the federal court system. Trump can't just unilaterally accuse and then deny. He can open an investigation through. It's the IRS that has too much power buddy....

SEC. 4. Termination of tax-exempt status of terrorist supporting organizations.

(a) In general.—Section 501(p) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
“(8) APPLICATION TO TERRORIST SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS.—
“(A) IN GENERAL.—For purposes of this subsection, in the case of any terrorist supporting organization—
“(i) such organization (and the designation of such organization under subparagraph (B)) shall be treated as described in paragraph (2), and
“(ii) the period of suspension described in paragraph (3) with respect to such organization shall be treated as beginning on the date that the Secretary designates such organization under subparagraph (B) and ending on the date that the Secretary rescinds such designation under subparagraph (D).
“(B) TERRORIST SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION.—For purposes of this paragraph, the term ‘terrorist supporting organization’ means any organization which is designated by the Secretary as having provided, during the 3-year period ending on the date of such designation, material support or resources (within the meaning of section 2339B of title 18, United States Code) to an organization described in paragraph (2) (determined after the application of this paragraph to such organization) in excess of a de minimis amount.
“(C) DESIGNATION PROCEDURE.—
“(i) NOTICE REQUIREMENT.—Prior to designating any organization as a terrorist supporting organization under subparagraph (B), the Secretary shall mail to the most recent mailing address provided by such organization on the organization’s annual return or notice under section 6033 (or subsequent form indicating a change of address) a written notice which includes—
“(I) a statement that the Secretary will designate such organization as a terrorist supporting organization unless the organization satisfies the requirements of subclause (I) or (II) of clause (ii),
“(II) the name of the organization or organizations with respect to which the Secretary has determined such organization provided material support or sources as described in subparagraph (B), and
“(III) a description of such material support or resources to the extent consistent with national security and law enforcement interests.
“(ii) OPPORTUNITY TO CURE.—In the case of any notice provided to an organization under clause (i), the Secretary shall, at the close of the 90-day period beginning on the date that such notice was sent, designate such organization as a terrorist supporting organization under subparagraph (B) if (and only if) such organization has not (during such period)—
“(I) demonstrated to the satisfaction of the Secretary that such organization did not provide the material support or resources referred to in subparagraph (B), or
“(II) made reasonable efforts to have such support or resources returned to such organization and certified in writing to the Secretary that such organization will not provide any further support or resources to organizations described in paragraph (2).
A certification under subclause (II) shall not be treated as valid if the organization making such certification has provided any other such certification during the preceding 5 years.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/9495/text

Where in the sam hell to you see anything in there about a federal court? Again,

demonstrated to the satisfaction of the Secretary

FAWK THAT.

 

[justoffal]

Read the damn bill dumbshit

SEC. 4. Termination of tax-exempt status of terrorist supporting organizations.

(a) In general.—Section 501(p) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
“(8) APPLICATION TO TERRORIST SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS.—
“(A) IN GENERAL.—For purposes of this subsection, in the case of any terrorist supporting organization—
“(i) such organization (and the designation of such organization under subparagraph (B)) shall be treated as described in paragraph (2), and
“(ii) the period of suspension described in paragraph (3) with respect to such organization shall be treated as beginning on the date that the Secretary designates such organization under subparagraph (B) and ending on the date that the Secretary rescinds such designation under subparagraph (D).
“(B) TERRORIST SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION.—For purposes of this paragraph, the term ‘terrorist supporting organization’ means any organization which is designated by the Secretary as having provided, during the 3-year period ending on the date of such designation, material support or resources (within the meaning of section 2339B of title 18, United States Code) to an organization described in paragraph (2) (determined after the application of this paragraph to such organization) in excess of a de minimis amount.
“(C) DESIGNATION PROCEDURE.—
“(i) NOTICE REQUIREMENT.—Prior to designating any organization as a terrorist supporting organization under subparagraph (B), the Secretary shall mail to the most recent mailing address provided by such organization on the organization’s annual return or notice under section 6033 (or subsequent form indicating a change of address) a written notice which includes—
“(I) a statement that the Secretary will designate such organization as a terrorist supporting organization unless the organization satisfies the requirements of subclause (I) or (II) of clause (ii),
“(II) the name of the organization or organizations with respect to which the Secretary has determined such organization provided material support or sources as described in subparagraph (B), and
“(III) a description of such material support or resources to the extent consistent with national security and law enforcement interests.
“(ii) OPPORTUNITY TO CURE.—In the case of any notice provided to an organization under clause (i), the Secretary shall, at the close of the 90-day period beginning on the date that such notice was sent, designate such organization as a terrorist supporting organization under subparagraph (B) if (and only if) such organization has not (during such period)—
“(I) demonstrated to the satisfaction of the Secretary that such organization did not provide the material support or resources referred to in subparagraph (B), or
“(II) made reasonable efforts to have such support or resources returned to such organization and certified in writing to the Secretary that such organization will not provide any further support or resources to organizations described in paragraph (2).
A certification under subclause (II) shall not be treated as valid if the organization making such certification has provided any other such certification during the preceding 5 years.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/9495/text

Where in the sam hell to you see anything in there about a federal court? Again,

demonstrated to the satisfaction of the Secretary

FAWK THAT.

And it states exactly what I said all federal law states....a President cannot simply make that designation... and the accused organization can defend itself.

I read it but I didn't even have to read it because I already knew there's no such thing as a law that unilaterally establishes guilt. Now if they can't show innocence....my next position would be to ask why?