Hillary has had "enough" of your gun rights.

[Compost]

A gun shop were Mateen tried to buy body armor considered him hinky, refused to sell him armor or ammo and reported him to the FBI. This was 4 or 5 weeks before the Orlando killings. The FBI did not follow up on the tip from the gun shop even though the FBI had had a couple of reports on Mateen in the past. But commentators aren't talking about that sort of loophole, for some reason.

They should be doubling the FBI's budget to hire enough people to keep investigations open when there are numerous red flags, such as Mateen's case. But the FBI couldn't do much with a report about wanting body armor when they didn't have a name, a license plate #, or a photo of the guy. If I'd been the clerk, I would have tried to get a name, by asking if he'd like to leave his contact info and I'd ask around. Or trying to get his plate # if that wasn't too obvious, depending on the parking lot. But they didn't/couldn't. There was plenty of other stuff the FBI could have followed up on, however, including the routine report that hit their desk when he legally purchased his guns. They didn't follow up on that.

Uh huh. The FBI talked to Mateen a couple of times. It's so hard for them to keep up with all the reports. Yeah, not enough man power not enough money. See something say something, is just another slogan. Mateen was a bad guy who did a terror act. He didn't do it because of "gun loopholes".

I've never said this was about gun control.

Oh. I must have misunderstood. "90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns" kinda sounds like it's about gun control to me.

 

[Iceweasel]

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

I've never seen the stats but polls can be manipulative. Which one of these laws were to close private sales of guns at shows? Here are some facts: Dealers must submit NCIS to the feds before he can sell a gun.

Not one mass shooting was don't with a private sale at a gun show. If that's your "loophole" it would do nothing and where do you stop with private sales? Can a father sell to his son?

There are specifics on the 4 proposals that were voted down yesterday, by googling Senate Vote on Gun Control. If you have questions about them, please do your own education.

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

I've never seen the stats but polls can be manipulative. Which one of these laws were to close private sales of guns at shows? Here are some facts: Dealers must submit NCIS to the feds before he can sell a gun.

Not one mass shooting was don't with a private sale at a gun show. If that's your "loophole" it would do nothing and where do you stop with private sales? Can a father sell to his son?

There are specifics on the 4 proposals that were voted down yesterday, by googling Senate Vote on Gun Control. If you have questions about them, please do your own education.

Don't get shitty with me, bitch. You said "Everyone is too afraid of not getting re-elected to vote for a proposal that 90% of the American public wants."

So I asked you what those proposals happened to be. Then you mumbled something about loopholes. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Iceweasel]

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

So...10% WANT terrorists to be able to buy guns? I think it is a poorly worded poll, thus bad results.

No one knows how the poll was worded because no one has found the poll. Before you decide it's bad results just because you don't LIKE the results, try finding it.

No one found "the poll" so it must be true? So you just sit there on your high horse slinging shit around and it's up to us to prove you're wrong?

 

[OldLady]

A gun shop were Mateen tried to buy body armor considered him hinky, refused to sell him armor or ammo and reported him to the FBI. This was 4 or 5 weeks before the Orlando killings. The FBI did not follow up on the tip from the gun shop even though the FBI had had a couple of reports on Mateen in the past. But commentators aren't talking about that sort of loophole, for some reason.

They should be doubling the FBI's budget to hire enough people to keep investigations open when there are numerous red flags, such as Mateen's case. But the FBI couldn't do much with a report about wanting body armor when they didn't have a name, a license plate #, or a photo of the guy. If I'd been the clerk, I would have tried to get a name, by asking if he'd like to leave his contact info and I'd ask around. Or trying to get his plate # if that wasn't too obvious, depending on the parking lot. But they didn't/couldn't. There was plenty of other stuff the FBI could have followed up on, however, including the routine report that hit their desk when he legally purchased his guns. They didn't follow up on that.

Uh huh. The FBI talked to Mateen a couple of times. It's so hard for them to keep up with all the reports. Yeah, not enough man power not enough money. See something say something, is just another slogan. Mateen was a bad guy who did a terror act. He didn't do it because of "gun loopholes".

I've never said this was about gun control.

Oh. I must have misunderstood. "90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns" kinda sounds like it's about gun control to me.

I never said the Orlando terror attack was about gun control, is what I meant.

 

[OldLady]

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

I've never seen the stats but polls can be manipulative. Which one of these laws were to close private sales of guns at shows? Here are some facts: Dealers must submit NCIS to the feds before he can sell a gun.

Not one mass shooting was don't with a private sale at a gun show. If that's your "loophole" it would do nothing and where do you stop with private sales? Can a father sell to his son?

There are specifics on the 4 proposals that were voted down yesterday, by googling Senate Vote on Gun Control. If you have questions about them, please do your own education.

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

I've never seen the stats but polls can be manipulative. Which one of these laws were to close private sales of guns at shows? Here are some facts: Dealers must submit NCIS to the feds before he can sell a gun.

Not one mass shooting was don't with a private sale at a gun show. If that's your "loophole" it would do nothing and where do you stop with private sales? Can a father sell to his son?

There are specifics on the 4 proposals that were voted down yesterday, by googling Senate Vote on Gun Control. If you have questions about them, please do your own education.

Don't get shitty with me, bitch. You said "Everyone is too afraid of not getting re-elected to vote for a proposal that 90% of the American public wants."

So I asked you what those proposals happened to be. Then you mumbled something about loopholes. You don't know what you're talking about.

You are a fucking psycho, you know that don't you?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

Can you tell us exactly what these loopholes are?

 

[Iceweasel]

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

I've never seen the stats but polls can be manipulative. Which one of these laws were to close private sales of guns at shows? Here are some facts: Dealers must submit NCIS to the feds before he can sell a gun.

Not one mass shooting was don't with a private sale at a gun show. If that's your "loophole" it would do nothing and where do you stop with private sales? Can a father sell to his son?

There are specifics on the 4 proposals that were voted down yesterday, by googling Senate Vote on Gun Control. If you have questions about them, please do your own education.

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

I've never seen the stats but polls can be manipulative. Which one of these laws were to close private sales of guns at shows? Here are some facts: Dealers must submit NCIS to the feds before he can sell a gun.

Not one mass shooting was don't with a private sale at a gun show. If that's your "loophole" it would do nothing and where do you stop with private sales? Can a father sell to his son?

There are specifics on the 4 proposals that were voted down yesterday, by googling Senate Vote on Gun Control. If you have questions about them, please do your own education.

Don't get shitty with me, bitch. You said "Everyone is too afraid of not getting re-elected to vote for a proposal that 90% of the American public wants."

So I asked you what those proposals happened to be. Then you mumbled something about loopholes. You don't know what you're talking about.

You are a fucking psycho, you know that don't you?

I know you are a shit slinging idiot. You shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

She's right. The Dems defeated the Republicans' proposals and the Republicans defeated the Dem's proposals. Everyone is too afraid of not getting re-elected to vote for a proposal that 90% of the American public wants. Why is that? I don't get it.

Everyone is too afraid of not getting re-elected to vote for a proposal that 90% of the American public wants.

Your math is off. 90% of Americans do not want Congress further infringing on their 2nd Amendment rights.
Guns were banned in Chicago for over 20 years, our murder rate increased. The ban didn't work.

 

[OldLady]

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

Can you tell us exactly what these loopholes are?

None

Quinnipiac University poll, conducted Dec. 16-20: "Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online?" Support: 89 percent. Oppose: 9 percent. Unsure/No answer: 1 percent.

CBS/New York Times poll, conducted Oct. 21-25: "Do you favor or oppose a federal law requiring background checks on all potential gun buyers?" Favor: 92 percent. Oppose: 7 percent. Unsure/No answer: 1 percent.

Gallup poll, conducted Oct. 7-11: "Would you favor or oppose a law which would require universal background checks for all gun purchases in the U.S. using a centralized database across all 50 states?" Favor: 86 percent. Oppose: 12 percent. Unsure: 2 percent.

Quinnipiac University poll, conducted Sept. 17-21: "Do you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?" Support: 93 percent. Oppose: 6 percent. Unsure/No answer: 1 percent.

Pew Research Center poll, conducted July 14-20: Do you favor or oppose "making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks"? Favor: 85 percent. Oppose: 13 percent. Unsure/Refused: 2 percent.

Pew found that support for background checks spans all partisan and demographic groups, and it is also favored by a majority of households that own guns and those that do not.

 

[OldLady]

She's right. The Dems defeated the Republicans' proposals and the Republicans defeated the Dem's proposals. Everyone is too afraid of not getting re-elected to vote for a proposal that 90% of the American public wants. Why is that? I don't get it.

Everyone is too afraid of not getting re-elected to vote for a proposal that 90% of the American public wants.

Your math is off. 90% of Americans do not want Congress further infringing on their 2nd Amendment rights.
Guns were banned in Chicago for over 20 years, our murder rate increased. The ban didn't work.

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[Billy_Kinetta]

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

Numerous commentators say numerous things. I listen to and read all sides. I'll admit to focusing on Progressive news because I like to know what the enemy is thinking.

I usually trust that Fox and numerous posters here are giving me "the other side." It seems to be a pretty well known statistic, since I've heard it from so many different mouths, both for an against most gun control. Some of you seem to be in the 10% that disagrees?

I don't trust anyone beyond my immediate circle, and certainly not journalists - all of whom have political bias in search of ratings and cash.

As to the figure you buy, why is it then that people against such measures bury the Congressional phone booths by a huge margin prior to such votes?

 

[OldLady]

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

Numerous commentators say numerous things. I listen to and read all sides. I'll admit to focusing on Progressive news because I like to know what the enemy is thinking.

I usually trust that Fox and numerous posters here are giving me "the other side." It seems to be a pretty well known statistic, since I've heard it from so many different mouths, both for an against most gun control. Some of you seem to be in the 10% that disagrees?

I don't trust anyone beyond my immediate circle, and certainly not journalists - all of whom have political bias in search of ratings and cash.

As to the figure you buy, why is it then that people against such measures bury the Congressional phone booths by a huge margin prior to such votes?

You folks are 100% predictable. I knew you would poo-poo the several valid polls cited in the article, because you don't like the results. It's okay being part of the 10%, you know. My only point is that the laws are supposed to be influenced by majority rule, which they apparently are not at the moment.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

Can you tell us exactly what these loopholes are?

None

Quinnipiac University poll, conducted Dec. 16-20: "Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online?" Support: 89 percent. Oppose: 9 percent. Unsure/No answer: 1 percent.

CBS/New York Times poll, conducted Oct. 21-25: "Do you favor or oppose a federal law requiring background checks on all potential gun buyers?" Favor: 92 percent. Oppose: 7 percent. Unsure/No answer: 1 percent.

Gallup poll, conducted Oct. 7-11: "Would you favor or oppose a law which would require universal background checks for all gun purchases in the U.S. using a centralized database across all 50 states?" Favor: 86 percent. Oppose: 12 percent. Unsure: 2 percent.

Quinnipiac University poll, conducted Sept. 17-21: "Do you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?" Support: 93 percent. Oppose: 6 percent. Unsure/No answer: 1 percent.

Pew Research Center poll, conducted July 14-20: Do you favor or oppose "making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks"? Favor: 85 percent. Oppose: 13 percent. Unsure/Refused: 2 percent.

Pew found that support for background checks spans all partisan and demographic groups, and it is also favored by a majority of households that own guns and those that do not.

Doesn't answer my question.

 

[saveliberty]

None

Quinnipiac University poll, conducted Dec. 16-20: "Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online?" Support: 89 percent. Oppose: 9 percent. Unsure/No answer: 1 percent.

CBS/New York Times poll, conducted Oct. 21-25: "Do you favor or oppose a federal law requiring background checks on all potential gun buyers?" Favor: 92 percent. Oppose: 7 percent. Unsure/No answer: 1 percent.

Gallup poll, conducted Oct. 7-11: "Would you favor or oppose a law which would require universal background checks for all gun purchases in the U.S. using a centralized database across all 50 states?" Favor: 86 percent. Oppose: 12 percent. Unsure: 2 percent.

Quinnipiac University poll, conducted Sept. 17-21: "Do you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?" Support: 93 percent. Oppose: 6 percent. Unsure/No answer: 1 percent.

Pew Research Center poll, conducted July 14-20: Do you favor or oppose "making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks"? Favor: 85 percent. Oppose: 13 percent. Unsure/Refused: 2 percent.

Pew found that support for background checks spans all partisan and demographic groups, and it is also favored by a majority of households that own guns and those that do not.

There are background checks for the most part.

Two Republican proposals would have increased funding for the national background check system and created a judicial review process to keep a person on a terror watch list from buying a gun; two Democratic measures would have expanded background checks to private gun sales and allowed the Justice Department to ban gun sales to suspected terrorists.

On the surface all four proposals sound okay, wonder what was under the banner which caused issues?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

Numerous commentators say numerous things. I listen to and read all sides. I'll admit to focusing on Progressive news because I like to know what the enemy is thinking.

I usually trust that Fox and numerous posters here are giving me "the other side." It seems to be a pretty well known statistic, since I've heard it from so many different mouths, both for an against most gun control. Some of you seem to be in the 10% that disagrees?

I don't trust anyone beyond my immediate circle, and certainly not journalists - all of whom have political bias in search of ratings and cash.

As to the figure you buy, why is it then that people against such measures bury the Congressional phone booths by a huge margin prior to such votes?

You folks are 100% predictable.

"I am as constant as the Northern Star."

I knew you would poo-poo the several valid polls cited in the article, because you don't like the results.

It's not that I don't like the results, it's that I do not believe the results. Polls can easily be weighted to provide a desired result.

My only point is that the laws are supposed to be influenced by majority rule.

Not at all. Laws are limited by the Constitution. Majority rule legally plays no part in it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

My only point is that the laws are supposed to be influenced by majority rule, which they apparently are not at the moment.

So you were cool with Jim Crow?

 

[OldLady]

None

Quinnipiac University poll, conducted Dec. 16-20: "Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online?" Support: 89 percent. Oppose: 9 percent. Unsure/No answer: 1 percent.

CBS/New York Times poll, conducted Oct. 21-25: "Do you favor or oppose a federal law requiring background checks on all potential gun buyers?" Favor: 92 percent. Oppose: 7 percent. Unsure/No answer: 1 percent.

Gallup poll, conducted Oct. 7-11: "Would you favor or oppose a law which would require universal background checks for all gun purchases in the U.S. using a centralized database across all 50 states?" Favor: 86 percent. Oppose: 12 percent. Unsure: 2 percent.

Quinnipiac University poll, conducted Sept. 17-21: "Do you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?" Support: 93 percent. Oppose: 6 percent. Unsure/No answer: 1 percent.

Pew Research Center poll, conducted July 14-20: Do you favor or oppose "making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks"? Favor: 85 percent. Oppose: 13 percent. Unsure/Refused: 2 percent.

Pew found that support for background checks spans all partisan and demographic groups, and it is also favored by a majority of households that own guns and those that do not.

There are background checks for the most part.

Two Republican proposals would have increased funding for the national background check system and created a judicial review process to keep a person on a terror watch list from buying a gun; two Democratic measures would have expanded background checks to private gun sales and allowed the Justice Department to ban gun sales to suspected terrorists.

On the surface all four proposals sound okay, wonder what was under the banner which caused issues?

From what I've read, neither party would vote for the other's proposals. It would take some cooperation to get 60 senate votes needed to pass. To me, that seems too simple an answer. It may have been due to details in the bills that haven't been mentioned. But they are already saying that the "compromise bill" being put forward by S. Collins is also doomed. So maybe it really is a party thing. If so, I'm disgusted.

 

[OldLady]

Numerous commentators on the news have said that 90% of the American public want to close the background checks "loopholes" and do not want suspected terrorists to be able to buy guns. I usually listen to Fox, CNN and PBS.

Numerous commentators say numerous things. I listen to and read all sides. I'll admit to focusing on Progressive news because I like to know what the enemy is thinking.

I usually trust that Fox and numerous posters here are giving me "the other side." It seems to be a pretty well known statistic, since I've heard it from so many different mouths, both for an against most gun control. Some of you seem to be in the 10% that disagrees?

I don't trust anyone beyond my immediate circle, and certainly not journalists - all of whom have political bias in search of ratings and cash.

As to the figure you buy, why is it then that people against such measures bury the Congressional phone booths by a huge margin prior to such votes?

You folks are 100% predictable.

"I am as constant as the Northern Star."

I knew you would poo-poo the several valid polls cited in the article, because you don't like the results.

It's not that I don't like the results, it's that I do not believe the results. Polls can easily be weighted to provide a desired result.

My only point is that the laws are supposed to be influenced by majority rule.

Not at all. Laws are limited by the Constitution. Majority rule legally plays no part in it.

Majority rule legally plays no part in it.
In Congress, regarding law making, it does. The constitutionality of a law is up to the Supreme Court to decide, not Congress. And may I point out that the Supreme Court has never decided that the existing gun control laws are unconstitutional?
It's not that I don't like the results, it's that I do not believe the results. Polls can easily be weighted to provide a desired result.
If the polls consistently said that 75% of Americans oppose further gun control laws, I suppose you would not believe them, either? Don't fool yourself.

 

[OldLady]

My only point is that the laws are supposed to be influenced by majority rule, which they apparently are not at the moment.

So you were cool with Jim Crow?

The Civil Rights Act was passed by Congress no? And who elected each of those lawmakers to their position? A majority of Americans perhaps? If the Civil Rights Act was an Executive Order, I apologize.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

My only point is that the laws are supposed to be influenced by majority rule, which they apparently are not at the moment.

So you were cool with Jim Crow?

The Civil Rights Act was passed by Congress no? And who elected each of those lawmakers to their position? A majority of Americans perhaps? If the Civil Rights Act was an Executive Order, I apologize.

A majority of the people in those states supported those oppressive laws