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[Anomalism]

I'm drunk and I need to say something real for a second. We spend all day arguing about politics. Left vs right. This policy, that policy. Who's wrong, who's evil, who's stupid.

But can we pause for a second? What the **** is going on?

Like actually. You're an arrangement of atoms that somehow woke up. You're conscious. You're here, right now, in the middle of infinity. The universe is 13.8 billion years old and you get maybe 80 years to be aware of it. Why is there anything instead of nothing? Why does it feel like something to be you? Why are we on a rock hurtling through space arguing about tax policy when none of us know what any of this actually is?

I stopped being an atheist. Not because I found religion. Because "it's just atoms bro, nothing matters" doesn't hold up when you actually look at what's happening. Something is going on. Something nobody can explain. And we're all just... here. Together. Trying to figure it out. Pretending we're not terrified and confused underneath all the confidence.

Can anybody hear me? Does anyone else feel this? Or is everyone just going to keep pretending they've got it figured out?

Hello?

 

[EMH]

I'm drunk

That you are intoxicated or under the influence of something has been obvious for quite some time to all in Enviro section...

 

[Anomalism]

That you are intoxicated or under the influence of something has been obvious for quite some time to all in Enviro section...

Thank you for your astute insight, sir. Best of luck in your travels.

 

[SweetSue92]

I'm drunk and I need to say something real for a second. We spend all day arguing about politics. Left vs right. This policy, that policy. Who's wrong, who's evil, who's stupid.

But can we pause for a second? What the **** is going on?

Like actually. You're an arrangement of atoms that somehow woke up. You're conscious. You're here, right now, in the middle of infinity. The universe is 13.8 billion years old and you get maybe 80 years to be aware of it. Why is there anything instead of nothing? Why does it feel like something to be you? Why are we on a rock hurtling through space arguing about tax policy when none of us know what any of this actually is?

I stopped being an atheist. Not because I found religion. Because "it's just atoms bro, nothing matters" doesn't hold up when you actually look at what's happening. Something is going on. Something nobody can explain. And we're all just... here. Together. Trying to figure it out. Pretending we're not terrified and confused underneath all the confidence.

Can anybody hear me? Does anyone else feel this? Or is everyone just going to keep pretending they've got it figured out?

Hello?

I can explain it: the creation has a Creator. The God Who Is.

Your post reminded me of "Flowers" from Hadestown, about of course, Hell (and Heaven). "Is anybody listening? I open my mouth, but nothing comes out"

flowers hadestown - Google Search

 

[Anomalism]

I can explain it: the creation has a Creator. The God Who Is.

Your post reminded me of "Flowers" from Hadestown, about of course, Hell (and Heaven). "Is anybody listening? I open my mouth, but nothing comes out"

flowers hadestown - Google Search

How do you know who God is? How do you know what God is? Is it because somebody told you and it was comfortable, or is because you actually found him?

 

[DennisPTate]

I'm drunk and I need to say something real for a second. We spend all day arguing about politics. Left vs right. This policy, that policy. Who's wrong, who's evil, who's stupid.

But can we pause for a second? What the **** is going on?

Like actually. You're an arrangement of atoms that somehow woke up. You're conscious. You're here, right now, in the middle of infinity. The universe is 13.8 billion years old and you get maybe 80 years to be aware of it. Why is there anything instead of nothing? Why does it feel like something to be you? Why are we on a rock hurtling through space arguing about tax policy when none of us know what any of this actually is?

I stopped being an atheist. Not because I found religion. Because "it's just atoms bro, nothing matters" doesn't hold up when you actually look at what's happening. Something is going on. Something nobody can explain. And we're all just... here. Together. Trying to figure it out. Pretending we're not terrified and confused underneath all the confidence.

Can anybody hear me? Does anyone else feel this? Or is everyone just going to keep pretending they've got it figured out?

Hello?

Wow!

If you can write like this when you are a bit drunk then you could write a best seller when you are sober!

I have an idea for you to work with, once I put the following on United States Message Board then anybody, anywhere can quote the following if they wish to do so. I believe that you could very well write a book on "Theistic Evolutionary Theory" or on "The Philosophical Implications of Multiverse Theory" just to give you two suggestions.

I wrote the following about fifteen or so years ago:

"Theoretical Physics seems to fit with Near Death Experiences."

"If all of us humans can be compared to an I.Q. test....how high of a score do you expect a Creator Dad and Mom, composed of fundamental energy would score?"

Christian Andreason:
"Who goes to Heaven?In the endbelieve it or not (sigh of relief) everyone gets to come home! I know some people will have a hard time hearing this. Especially those who believe that people who do evil deserve damnation. But you must understand; Heaven does not think as we do. Heaven is a place of ultimate LOVE! They want nothing more than to see us healed and restored should we have been damaged by evil. And to Heaven, those who are hurt by evil or even seen as Souls' who actually do it ... are all seen as individuals who are hurting in the worst wayand in need to repair. Also, do you honestly think Jesus would have asked us to forgive, serve and Love one another without hesitationif Heaven does not do that as well? Think about it."

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"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. (II Corinthians 12:2-4)

No wonder the Apostle Paul was instructed to not tell just anybody about everything that he saw, probably during one of those times when he had been stoned or beaten to the place where he appeared to be dead?!

I actually do believe in evolution but I think that anybody who would dogmatically limit evolution to our four dimensional space time continuum lacks basic mathematical aptitude.

Back in the 1990's I read several articles on GUT and string theory. Later on I read Stephen Hawking's Universe. in his chapter The Anthropic Principle he speculated that perhaps there were an infinite number of unsuccessful universes out there somewhere in which was no life due to the fact that electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force were not properly tuned for life as we know it. It seems obvious to me that another possibility is that the first intelligent life form might be composed of energy. Probably a fundamental energy such as SuperForce or Super Energetic Matter which may be the common denominator for all four forces active in our fourth space time dimensional continuum.

13.72 billion years is roughly equal to ZERO time when compared with eternity. If fundamental energy would always have existed, as I assume Dr. Hawking seems to believe due to his suspicion of their having been an infinite number of unsuccessful universes and probably Big Bang + Grand Collapses, then if evolutionary theory could be expanded to have occurred within infinite time as opposed to limiting abiogenesis and evolution to abouit 4.5 billion years than you increase the probability of evolution being possible by essentially an infinite factor! I do believe in evolution occurring, but I suspect that perhaps 99% of evolution probably occurred before our Big Bang which was probably planned and choreographed by the Life Form/life forms that would probably be composed of fundamental energy.

Is evolution more probable to have occurred within 13 billion years or within eternity?

I must admit that these ideas about invisible higher space time dimensions sure does remind me of what many people who have a brush with death report.

[Dr. George Ritchie]:

His Guided Tour of the Earthbound Realm with Jesus

Then Jesus begins to take Ritchie on a journey through various realms of the afterlife. They fly toward a large city on Earth where they notice a group of assembly-line workers at work. They witnesses the spirit of a woman trying desperately to grab a cigarette from the workers who were oblivious to her presence. This woman had died severely addicted to cigarettes and was now cut off from the one thing she desperately desired most.

Ritchie realizes how the spirits in these realms immediately know the thoughts of other spirits around them. This is the reason they tend to group together with other spirits. It is too threatening to be around others who knew and disagreed with their thoughts.

Jesus leads Ritchie to a house somewhere on Earth where he is shown the spirit of a young man following his living family members around and begging them for forgiveness. But the family members are completely unaware of his presence. Jesus tells Ritchie the young man committed suicide and is "chained to every consequence of his act."....

.......
e. His Observations of the Temple of Wisdom

They then travel to a completely different realm where some kind of enormous university is located. Spirits dressed as monks busily and happily engaged in some form of artistic behavior or research. An enormous library exists here where all the important books of the universe are assembled. Ritchie asks Jesus if this is heaven. These are the spirits of people who grew beyond selfish desires while on Earth; but, like the spirits in hell, these spirits cannot see Jesus either.

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Here are some quotations on the basic ideas behind Grand Unified Theory and String Theory:

"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"

The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it? An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
....

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."

...

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

There is more to my idea but this is enough for the moment.

 

[SweetSue92]

How do you know who God is? How do you know what God is? Is it because somebody told you and it was comfortable, or is because you actually found him?

So many layers to this answer. From historical evidence; from the Bible written by many authors over many years, yet coherent in message and theme throughout. From the fact that Jesus Christ is so much different from any other prophet/savior figure, which cannot (IMO) come from humanity....

 

[Anomalism]

So many layers to this answer. From historical evidence; from the Bible written by many authors over many years, yet coherent in message and theme throughout. From the fact that Jesus Christ is so much different from any other prophet/savior figure, which cannot (IMO) come from humanity....

Would you be heartbroken if you were wrong, with the knowledge that God exists anyway, in some capacity you don't understand? Could you live with that?

 

[DennisPTate]

So many layers to this answer. From historical evidence; from the Bible written by many authors over many years, yet coherent in message and theme throughout. From the fact that Jesus Christ is so much different from any other prophet/savior figure, which cannot (IMO) come from humanity....

Exactly!

Near death experiencer Robert Marshall would have to be some sort of off the scale brilliant Theologian to make up aspects of his fascinating 2024 brush with death.

From studying near death experience accounts since 1990 I am of the belief that Mr. Robert Marshall has explained about what he felt, saw, heard, tasted and smelled, during his near death experience, to the very best of his ability. If this man is exaggerating his claims.......then he deserves some variation on an Academy Award for his acting ability.

Robert Marshall is seventy six years old.... but he is not getting tired.... even after several hours of testifying to what he saw and felt and heard, during his NDE.

 

[onefour1]

How do you know who God is? How do you know what God is? Is it because somebody told you and it was comfortable, or is because you actually found him?

God is the Father of your spirit. Our spirits are the literal offspring of God.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

God has sent us to this earth to experience good and evil and to progress so that we might choose to be more like Him:

Genesis 3:22-23
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

It is all part of an eternal plan. Eventually God will resurrect all mankind and we will all live immortally forever and ever.

1 Corinthians 15:21-26, 53-57
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

All this has been revealed by God through his Son Jesus Christ and through prophets so that mankind can know on whom he can rely.

 

[Anomalism]

If you can write like this when you are a bit drunk then you could write a best seller when you are sober!

If only I wasn't so lazy.

 

[ding]

How do you know who God is? How do you know what God is? Is it because somebody told you and it was comfortable, or is because you actually found him?

That depends on one's perception of God. I'd say that most people haven't given that much thought. Especially those that say they need evidence.

God isn't a "thing"; a noun. God is more like an action; a verb. God is every extant attribute of reality. I'm not saying God has those attributes. I am saying God is those attributes. Attributes like love, truth, logic, compassion, caring, joy, happiness, etc. Can you wrap your head around that perception? Most people can't.

The closest I can come to describing God... is that God is mind or consciousness. God is the source of existence. God is the source of reality. God provides existence and reality to all parts of the universe at all times. Our universe and any other universe that exist are alternate realities which exist in the mind of God. Everything is information and information is mind stuff.

"The physical world is entirely abstract and without ‘actuality’ apart from its linkage to consciousness. It is primarily physicists who have expressed most clearly and forthrightly this pervasive relationship between mind and matter, and indeed at times the primacy of mind." Arthur Eddington wrote, “the stuff of the world is mind‑stuff. The mind‑stuff is not spread in space and time." Von Weizsacker stated what he called his “Identity Hypothesis; that consciousness and matter are different aspects of the same reality. In 1952 Wolfgang Pauli said, "the only acceptable point of view appears to be the one that recognizes both sides of reality -- the quantitative and the qualitative, the physical and the psychical -- as compatible with each other, and can embrace them simultaneously . . . It would be most satisfactory of all if physis and psyche (i.e., matter and mind) could be seen as complementary aspects of the same reality.

Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is the constant presence of Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create." ~George Wald

 

[ding]

How do you know who God is? How do you know what God is? Is it because somebody told you and it was comfortable, or is because you actually found him?

Technically all of the above except the "it was comfortable" part. But primarily through 15 years of study and several difficult realizations about myself and then 10 years or so of getting to know God, yes, I found him.

Here's the thing though... his spirit was always inside me and it's inside everyone. God is pruning us. Even the ones that don't believe in him. I don't understand how he got such a bad wrap.

 

[ding]

What the **** is going on?

People being people and the conflict and confusion process of arriving at objective truth. It's no fun watching how the sausage is made.

 

[DennisPTate]

If only I wasn't so lazy.

I have a suggestion....
www.msm-info.com/

Nutritional sulphur, [methyl suphonyl methane], greatly increased my level of mental energy since I read a book about it back in 1999.

Here is the cover of the book that I read more than twenty six years ago. Incidentally, every word that Stanley W. Jacob M. D. wrote was true, based on my experience of taking this natural substance for nearly twenty seven years.

The Miracle of Msm: The Natural Solution for Pain: Jacob, Stanley W., M.D., Lawrence, Ronald Melvin, Zucker, Martin: 9780399144745: Books - Amazon.ca

The Miracle of Msm: The Natural Solution for Pain: Jacob, Stanley W., M.D., Lawrence, Ronald Melvin, Zucker, Martin: 9780399144745: Books - Amazon.ca

www.amazon.ca

 

[Natural Citizen]

I'm drunk and I need to say something real for a second. We spend all day arguing about politics. Left vs right. This policy, that policy. Who's wrong, who's evil, who's stupid.

But can we pause for a second? What the **** is going on?

Like actually. You're an arrangement of atoms that somehow woke up. You're conscious. You're here, right now, in the middle of infinity. The universe is 13.8 billion years old and you get maybe 80 years to be aware of it. Why is there anything instead of nothing? Why does it feel like something to be you? Why are we on a rock hurtling through space arguing about tax policy when none of us know what any of this actually is?

I stopped being an atheist. Not because I found religion. Because "it's just atoms bro, nothing matters" doesn't hold up when you actually look at what's happening. Something is going on. Something nobody can explain. And we're all just... here. Together. Trying to figure it out. Pretending we're not terrified and confused underneath all the confidence.

Can anybody hear me? Does anyone else feel this? Or is everyone just going to keep pretending they've got it figured out?

Hello?

 

[DennisPTate]

God is the Father of your spirit. Our spirits are the literal offspring of God.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

God has sent us to this earth to experience good and evil and to progress so that we might choose to be more like Him:

Genesis 3:22-23
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

It is all part of an eternal plan. Eventually God will resurrect all mankind and we will all live immortally forever and ever.

1 Corinthians 15:21-26, 53-57
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

All this has been revealed by God through his Son Jesus Christ and through prophets so that mankind can know on whom he can rely.

From my research your answer is exceptionally accurate and truthful. Yes, our human spirits, are children of the Ancient of Days the Father who Messiah Yeshua - Jesus stated was The One who was doing all the miracles that surrounded His ministry.

 

[SweetSue92]

Would you be heartbroken if you were wrong, with the knowledge that God exists anyway, in some capacity you don't understand? Could you live with that?

If God is God I would have no choice but to acknowledge that I am/was wrong. I'm always open to being wrong. Otherwise how do you learn anything?

 

[SweetSue92]

Exactly!

Near death experiencer Robert Marshall would have to be some sort of off the scale brilliant Theologian to make up aspects of his fascinating 2024 brush with death.

From studying near death experience accounts since 1990 I am of the belief that Mr. Robert Marshall has explained about what he felt, saw, heard, tasted and smelled, during his near death experience, to the very best of his ability. If this man is exaggerating his claims.......then he deserves some variation on an Academy Award for his acting ability.

Robert Marshall is seventy six years old.... but he is not getting tired.... even after several hours of testifying to what he saw and felt and heard, during his NDE.

These NDE are unreliable and mostly based on a dying brain. I'll take the Word of God, thanks

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

I'm drunk and I need to say something real for a second. We spend all day arguing about politics. Left vs right. This policy, that policy. Who's wrong, who's evil, who's stupid.

But can we pause for a second? What the **** is going on?

Like actually. You're an arrangement of atoms that somehow woke up. You're conscious. You're here, right now, in the middle of infinity. The universe is 13.8 billion years old and you get maybe 80 years to be aware of it. Why is there anything instead of nothing? Why does it feel like something to be you? Why are we on a rock hurtling through space arguing about tax policy when none of us know what any of this actually is?

I stopped being an atheist. Not because I found religion. Because "it's just atoms bro, nothing matters" doesn't hold up when you actually look at what's happening. Something is going on. Something nobody can explain. And we're all just... here. Together. Trying to figure it out. Pretending we're not terrified and confused underneath all the confidence.

Can anybody hear me? Does anyone else feel this? Or is everyone just going to keep pretending they've got it figured out?

Hello?

Too much circumstantial evidence that there's something after the 80 years

You'll get to find out soon enough