Healthcare Reform Report Card = Obamacare vs. the best insurance on the planet

[Trakar]

You assert such with apparent conviction, the question is, are your supporting references and evidences compelling?

Do you see any evidence that our Founders promoted monarchy or socialism or big liberal government under their Constitution?? If so share it with us?

In addition to the supporting evidences and references already requested in regards to your assertions, please provide support for the implication that I have at any point claimed that the founding fathers promoted monarchy, socialism or "big liberal government" (whatever that is).

 

[Too Tall]

keep in mind that capitalism is far more efficient than socialism. Do you need that explained too??

Yes i need it explained how socialized health care being more efficient then private health care means capitalism is more efficient but you cant explain it because all you can do is regurgitate talking points you cannot think

Yes I'd love for you explain why when you just include our private health spending we spend 4 times more despite having worse out comes.

capitalism is competitive. This is why Red China just switched to it to save 60 million from slow liberal starvation. Are you going to tell them they made a mistake and should go back to being communists?

You still did not explain why private health spending is 4 times that of public despite having shittier outcomes
all you did was copy and paste some stupid shit you said before.

In a word, lawyers!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

keep in mind that capitalism is far more efficient than socialism. Do you need that explained too??

Yes i need it explained how socialized health care being more efficient then private health care means capitalism is more efficient but you cant explain it because all you can do is regurgitate talking points you cannot think

capitalism is competitive. This is why Red China just switched to it to save 60 million from slow liberal starvation. Are you going to tell them they made a mistake and should go back to being communists?

You still did not explain why private health spending is 4 times that of public despite having shittier outcomes
all you did was copy and paste some stupid shit you said before.

In a word, lawyers!

well, lawyers may add 3% or so to the cost of health care, but the real cost comes from socialism. Don't forget in the USSR and Red China no one could afford anything thanks to liberal socialism. When they switched to capitalism people instantly started getting rich.

 

[tererun]

Healthcare Reform Report Card

Let's Compare:
Single-Payer (HR 676 and S 703) Expanded Medicare for All Vs. Proposed Healthcare “Private insurance with Public Option”

http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

Single-Payer National Health Insurance | Physicians for a National Health Program
Physicians for a National Health Program

I would advocate for national health care as opposed to single-payer insurance. For profit insurance is only half the problem, for profit health care as the only option is the other half of the problem. We don't have to outlaw private healthcare, but we can force them to compete with national healthcare hospitals, clinics and pharmacies.

Your close. if you want a corporate owned insurance system that will need to put much larger portions of it's capital and earnings into it's customers hands we need to look to not for profit insurance companies. This way there are no shareholders demanding the profits that could be going to the subscribers to the service. Before anyone even mentions US NFP are not limited to not making money. They are allowed to do most everything a regular company does, but it is where and how they are allowed to spend their money that they are limited.

some benefits to this idea:
1. They would save money in taxes that can go to health benefits, and could purchase things like supplies and medications to distrubute without paying any taxes on them.
2. They could be declared charitable and life saving organizations who could claim for things like disaster relief if the government wanted to use them to offset the medical costs of disasters through the insurance companies.
3. Without shareholders to answer to and competition driving them, they would focus more on ways to make it convenient and better for their subscribers.

If the government is not going to be the single payer alternative, it is clear they need some regulation which only the disclosure required by NFPs creates. It also has the added benefit of eliminating any insurance company profits from being used to campaign. This would destroy their ability to lobby the government in any way, and provide us the ability to see their expenditures to ensure they are not bribing....I mean lobbying government officials.

I don't think this is an unreasonable thing either. Health insurance is not like most for profit businesses. Due to it's nature people's lives are very reliant on these businesses. Due to the nature of illness delays in payment due to corrupt practices can actually make the need to pay go away. If a terminal long term patient dies while waiting for approval, or while arguing over payments for treatment that were denied and should not have been the insurance company makes more money for the people who truly matter to any for profit business and that is it's shareholders or owners. Those people need to be eliminated in the business of helping to heal people. You cannot put the needs of the sick in direct competition of the profit a business makes. That is a death panel whos only decision can be death of the subscriber due to the need to profit for a for profit business.

 

[Trakar]

I would advocate for national health care as opposed to single-payer insurance. For profit insurance is only half the problem, for profit health care as the only option is the other half of the problem. We don't have to outlaw private healthcare, but we can force them to compete with national healthcare hospitals, clinics and pharmacies.

Your close. if you want a corporate owned insurance system that will need to put much larger portions of it's capital and earnings into it's customers hands we need to look to not for profit insurance companies.

Where's the advantage of adding more middle men to the system. I'm not looking to encourage corporate welfare, just cut costs, improve efficiency and deliver heathcare from providers to people who need the service.

That said, I'd prefer the system you outline to the one we have now.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

we need to look to not for profit insurance companies.

we need to do that in all industries. Health care is just the start. In fact we must urge Red China to go back to all state owned and state run businesses. This is extreme common sense to a liberal.

 

[Trakar]

we need to look to not for profit insurance companies.

we need to do that in all industries. Health care is just the start. In fact we must urge Red China to go back to all state owned and state run businesses. This is extreme common sense to a liberal.

False dichotomous bullshit, though liberals, are almost as bad as conservatives and both do tend to come up with some wackadoodle propositions and concepts.