Harvard's Leftist Destroy Israel conference

[Sunni Man]

The Arabs' and Iranians' irrational hatred of Israel and Jews is the problem, and there is no psychiatrist's office large enough to solve that problem.

There is nothing "irrational" about the grievances the Arabs and Iranians have against the fascist Zionists that rule Israel.

And until their legitimate concerns are addressed by Israel and the world community.

The on going conflict will be never ending.

 

[daveman]

Israel is on the news basically everyday.

They are either threatening war or attacking one of their neighboring countries on a continual basis.

So to say there is "no" Israeli/Jewish problem.

Is to blindly ignore the reality of the situation.

Perhaps on your planet this is true, but here on Earth Israel is either officially at peace or maintains a state of peace with all the countries in the world. It is threatening to pre empt Iran's efforts to implement its stated goal of destroying the entire state of Israel.

Israel is in the news, in part, because of the Arab/Muslim threats against it and Arab Muslim expressions of hatred of Israel and Jews, and in part because of Israel's remarkable achievements in virtually all areas of human endeavor. The Arabs and Iranians, on the other hand, are in the news because of their hatred of Israel and Jews, of the West in general, their hatreds of each other and oil.

Clearly, there are Arab and Iranian problems the world needs to work on not Israeli or Jewish problems.

Spin it how ever you want.

But Israel is THE problem.

And eventually a "solution" will be found.

Throughout history, people have tried "solving" the Jewish problem.

They're still alive.

Tough shit for you, huh?

Besides, you're better off with Jews around. You'll always have a handy scapegoat to blame the Muslim world's failures on. If you get rid of the Jews, who would you have to blame? Because you're damn sure not going to put it where it belongs:

On Islam.

 

[daveman]

The Arabs' and Iranians' irrational hatred of Israel and Jews is the problem, and there is no psychiatrist's office large enough to solve that problem.

There is nothing "irrational" about the grievances the Arabs and Iranians have against the fascist Zionists that rule Israel.

And until their legitimate concerns are addressed by Israel and the world community.

The on going conflict will be never ending.

How do you negotiate with someone who will settle for nothing less than your death?

You really expect Jews to just walk into the sea?

You have failed to learn from history.

 

[Sunni Man]

Besides, you're better off with Jews around. You'll always have a handy scapegoat to blame the Muslim world's failures on. If you get rid of the Jews, who would you have to blame? Because you're damn sure not going to put it where it belongs:

On Islam.

The Christians had problems with the Jews for over a thousand years before Islam was ever introduced to the world.

In fact, just a little over 60 years ago; the predominately Christian nations of Italy and Germany were rounding the Jews up and putting them in slave labor camps.

So to some how blame Islam and Muslims for the Jewish "problem" is disingenuous at best.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The Arabs' and Iranians' irrational hatred of Israel and Jews is the problem, and there is no psychiatrist's office large enough to solve that problem.

There is nothing "irrational" about the grievances the Arabs and Iranians have against the fascist Zionists that rule Israel.

And until their legitimate concerns are addressed by Israel and the world community.

The on going conflict will be never ending.

All of the Arabs' and Iranians' legitimate grievances have been addressed. Their actions and rhetoric are now based only on their irrational hatreds of Israel, Jews and the West in general. Were the Iranian regime rational, they would realize that Israel saved them twice in the past. There can be no question but that if Israel had not bombed out Iraq's nuclear weapons program in 1981, Saddam would have nuked Iran during their war, and if Israel had not sold the Iranian regime thousands of Hawk and Tow missiles to stop Saddam's tanks and planes, Iran would have at least lost much of its southern oil fields. During the Iran-Iraq war, all the Arab states other than Syria supported Saddam's invasion of Iran, and of all the countries in the ME, only Israel came to Iran's aid.

Similarly, if the Arabs were rational, they would realize that if it had not been for Israel, the Soviets would have either dominated the ME or the US and USSR would have faced off in the ME over control of Gulf oil, and in either case, the Arab states would have lost all chance of self determination.

Any rational analysis of the situation shows that everyone in the ME is better off because of the existence of the state of Israel, even the Arabs in the disputed territories. In 1948, the Arab states did not invade the new state of Israel in order to create an independent Palestinian state there, but to grab as much of that land for themselves, preventing either the establishment of a new Jewish or Arab state. Of all the nations in the region, only the Jewish state of Israel has seriously discussed helping the Arabs in the territories establish a state of their own. If not for their irrational hate of Israel and Jews, the Arabs and Iranians would have long ago sought mutually beneficial peaceful relations with Israel.

 

[Sunni Man]

LOL, if we could only harness the pro Zionist spin you just posted.

And use it as a generator to produce electricity.

We could solve our energy problem's forever.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Arabs' and Iranians' irrational hatred of Israel and Jews is the problem, and there is no psychiatrist's office large enough to solve that problem.

There is nothing "irrational" about the grievances the Arabs and Iranians have against the fascist Zionists that rule Israel.

And until their legitimate concerns are addressed by Israel and the world community.

The on going conflict will be never ending.

All of the Arabs' and Iranians' legitimate grievances have been addressed. Their actions and rhetoric are now based only on their irrational hatreds of Israel, Jews and the West in general. Were the Iranian regime rational, they would realize that Israel saved them twice in the past. There can be no question but that if Israel had not bombed out Iraq's nuclear weapons program in 1981, Saddam would have nuked Iran during their war, and if Israel had not sold the Iranian regime thousands of Hawk and Tow missiles to stop Saddam's tanks and planes, Iran would have at least lost much of its southern oil fields. During the Iran-Iraq war, all the Arab states other than Syria supported Saddam's invasion of Iran, and of all the countries in the ME, only Israel came to Iran's aid.

Similarly, if the Arabs were rational, they would realize that if it had not been for Israel, the Soviets would have either dominated the ME or the US and USSR would have faced off in the ME over control of Gulf oil, and in either case, the Arab states would have lost all chance of self determination.

Any rational analysis of the situation shows that everyone in the ME is better off because of the existence of the state of Israel, even the Arabs in the disputed territories. In 1948, the Arab states did not invade the new state of Israel in order to create an independent Palestinian state there, but to grab as much of that land for themselves, preventing either the establishment of a new Jewish or Arab state. Of all the nations in the region, only the Jewish state of Israel has seriously discussed helping the Arabs in the territories establish a state of their own. If not for their irrational hate of Israel and Jews, the Arabs and Iranians would have long ago sought mutually beneficial peaceful relations with Israel.

In 1948, the Arab states did not invade the new state of Israel in order to create an independent Palestinian state there, but to grab as much of that land for themselves,...

There is some truth to that. Jordan was promised $4M a year for five years and the West Bank if if did not attack Israel. It didn't.

 

[toomuchtime_]

There is nothing "irrational" about the grievances the Arabs and Iranians have against the fascist Zionists that rule Israel.

And until their legitimate concerns are addressed by Israel and the world community.

The on going conflict will be never ending.

All of the Arabs' and Iranians' legitimate grievances have been addressed. Their actions and rhetoric are now based only on their irrational hatreds of Israel, Jews and the West in general. Were the Iranian regime rational, they would realize that Israel saved them twice in the past. There can be no question but that if Israel had not bombed out Iraq's nuclear weapons program in 1981, Saddam would have nuked Iran during their war, and if Israel had not sold the Iranian regime thousands of Hawk and Tow missiles to stop Saddam's tanks and planes, Iran would have at least lost much of its southern oil fields. During the Iran-Iraq war, all the Arab states other than Syria supported Saddam's invasion of Iran, and of all the countries in the ME, only Israel came to Iran's aid.

Similarly, if the Arabs were rational, they would realize that if it had not been for Israel, the Soviets would have either dominated the ME or the US and USSR would have faced off in the ME over control of Gulf oil, and in either case, the Arab states would have lost all chance of self determination.

Any rational analysis of the situation shows that everyone in the ME is better off because of the existence of the state of Israel, even the Arabs in the disputed territories. In 1948, the Arab states did not invade the new state of Israel in order to create an independent Palestinian state there, but to grab as much of that land for themselves, preventing either the establishment of a new Jewish or Arab state. Of all the nations in the region, only the Jewish state of Israel has seriously discussed helping the Arabs in the territories establish a state of their own. If not for their irrational hate of Israel and Jews, the Arabs and Iranians would have long ago sought mutually beneficial peaceful relations with Israel.

In 1948, the Arab states did not invade the new state of Israel in order to create an independent Palestinian state there, but to grab as much of that land for themselves,...

There is some truth to that. Jordan was promised $4M a year for five years and the West Bank if if did not attack Israel. It didn't.

Nonsense. Despite what you may have found scribbled on a restroom wall, Jordan invaded East Jerusalem driving Israeli citizens there from their homes and tried to capture a corridor to the Mediterranean but was stopped by Israeli forces. The other Arab countries were similarly thwarted in their ambitions to capture all of the land west of the Jordan River in order to prevent either a Jewish state or an independent Arab state from being created there.

 

[Unkotare]

One thing you'll never have a problem with is finding a big bunch of glassy-eyed bobble heads in and around Harvard to protest any and every thing perceived of as less than sufficiently left-wing or to get worked up into a frothy, spittle-soaked rage of intolerance against anything perceived of as so much as a milimeter to the right of bill maher.

The really scary part is that a lot of liberal professors at other universities consider Harvard too conservative!

 

[Unkotare]

Besides, you're better off with Jews around. You'll always have a handy scapegoat to blame the Muslim world's failures on. If you get rid of the Jews, who would you have to blame? Because you're damn sure not going to put it where it belongs:

On Islam.

The Christians had problems with the Jews for over a thousand years before Islam was ever introduced to the world.

In fact, just a little over 60 years ago; the predominately Christian nations of Italy and Germany were rounding the Jews up and putting them in slave labor camps.

So to some how blame Islam and Muslims for the Jewish "problem" is disingenuous at best.

You have not established the correlation you thought you did with that post.

 

[Unkotare]

The on going conflict will be never ending.

You hope so, because without it the identity you are trying so hard to adopt is nothing but eggshells.

 

[toomuchtime_]

LOL, if we could only harness the pro Zionist spin you just posted.

And use it as a generator to produce electricity.

We could solve our energy problem's forever.

Bump into walls a lot?

 

[P F Tinmore]

All of the Arabs' and Iranians' legitimate grievances have been addressed. Their actions and rhetoric are now based only on their irrational hatreds of Israel, Jews and the West in general. Were the Iranian regime rational, they would realize that Israel saved them twice in the past. There can be no question but that if Israel had not bombed out Iraq's nuclear weapons program in 1981, Saddam would have nuked Iran during their war, and if Israel had not sold the Iranian regime thousands of Hawk and Tow missiles to stop Saddam's tanks and planes, Iran would have at least lost much of its southern oil fields. During the Iran-Iraq war, all the Arab states other than Syria supported Saddam's invasion of Iran, and of all the countries in the ME, only Israel came to Iran's aid.

Similarly, if the Arabs were rational, they would realize that if it had not been for Israel, the Soviets would have either dominated the ME or the US and USSR would have faced off in the ME over control of Gulf oil, and in either case, the Arab states would have lost all chance of self determination.

Any rational analysis of the situation shows that everyone in the ME is better off because of the existence of the state of Israel, even the Arabs in the disputed territories. In 1948, the Arab states did not invade the new state of Israel in order to create an independent Palestinian state there, but to grab as much of that land for themselves, preventing either the establishment of a new Jewish or Arab state. Of all the nations in the region, only the Jewish state of Israel has seriously discussed helping the Arabs in the territories establish a state of their own. If not for their irrational hate of Israel and Jews, the Arabs and Iranians would have long ago sought mutually beneficial peaceful relations with Israel.

In 1948, the Arab states did not invade the new state of Israel in order to create an independent Palestinian state there, but to grab as much of that land for themselves,...

There is some truth to that. Jordan was promised $4M a year for five years and the West Bank if if did not attack Israel. It didn't.

Nonsense. Despite what you may have found scribbled on a restroom wall, Jordan invaded East Jerusalem driving Israeli citizens there from their homes and tried to capture a corridor to the Mediterranean but was stopped by Israeli forces. The other Arab countries were similarly thwarted in their ambitions to capture all of the land west of the Jordan River in order to prevent either a Jewish state or an independent Arab state from being created there.

There was a little confusion around Jerusalem but that was the deal.

 

[toomuchtime_]

There is some truth to that. Jordan was promised $4M a year for five years and the West Bank if if did not attack Israel. It didn't.

Nonsense. Despite what you may have found scribbled on a restroom wall, Jordan invaded East Jerusalem driving Israeli citizens there from their homes and tried to capture a corridor to the Mediterranean but was stopped by Israeli forces. The other Arab countries were similarly thwarted in their ambitions to capture all of the land west of the Jordan River in order to prevent either a Jewish state or an independent Arab state from being created there.

There was a little confusion around Jerusalem but that was the deal.

The deal was that the Yishuv would not interfere with Jordan capturing and annexing the West Bank if Jordan did not attack Israelis, but Jordan broke this agreement even before the new state of Israel was declared when it attacked the Etzion bloc of settlements and massacred its defenders after they surrendered.

The kibbutzim held off the attacks for ten days until Kfar Etzion fell. In the Kfar Etzion massacre on May 14, 127 Jewish inhabitants of the village were murdered, as all but four of the inhabitants were executed by Arab Legion and irregular forces. The other three kibbutzim surrendered. The inhabitants there were taken as prisoners of war and released nine months later.[5]

Kfar Etzion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was no confusion about Jerusalem. Jordan had pledged to the UN and to Israel to honor the partition resolution which meant East Jerusalem was to be an international city but honored neither pledge.

However, by 1948, the neighbouring Arab states pressured Abdullah into joining them in an "all-Arab military intervention" against the newly created State of Israel, that he used to restore his prestige in the Arab world, which had grown suspicious of his relatively good relationship with Western and Jewish leaders.[29]

Abdullah's role in this war became substantial. He saw himself as the "supreme commander of the Arab forces" and "persuaded the Arab League to appoint him" to this position.[34] Through his leadership, the Arabs fought the 1948 war to meet Abdullah's political goals.

1948 Arab

The point is that none of the Arab states went to war with Israel in 1948 to help create an independent Arab state in the former Mandate but only to try to grab as much land as they could for themselves, thus preventing the creation of an independent Arab state or a Jewish state. They were there to compete with the Israelis and with each other for as much land as they could capture. None of them took the idea of an independent Palestinian Arab state seriously.

 

[Hossfly]

There is nothing "irrational" about the grievances the Arabs and Iranians have against the fascist Zionists that rule Israel.

And until their legitimate concerns are addressed by Israel and the world community.

The on going conflict will be never ending.

All of the Arabs' and Iranians' legitimate grievances have been addressed. Their actions and rhetoric are now based only on their irrational hatreds of Israel, Jews and the West in general. Were the Iranian regime rational, they would realize that Israel saved them twice in the past. There can be no question but that if Israel had not bombed out Iraq's nuclear weapons program in 1981, Saddam would have nuked Iran during their war, and if Israel had not sold the Iranian regime thousands of Hawk and Tow missiles to stop Saddam's tanks and planes, Iran would have at least lost much of its southern oil fields. During the Iran-Iraq war, all the Arab states other than Syria supported Saddam's invasion of Iran, and of all the countries in the ME, only Israel came to Iran's aid.

Similarly, if the Arabs were rational, they would realize that if it had not been for Israel, the Soviets would have either dominated the ME or the US and USSR would have faced off in the ME over control of Gulf oil, and in either case, the Arab states would have lost all chance of self determination.

Any rational analysis of the situation shows that everyone in the ME is better off because of the existence of the state of Israel, even the Arabs in the disputed territories. In 1948, the Arab states did not invade the new state of Israel in order to create an independent Palestinian state there, but to grab as much of that land for themselves, preventing either the establishment of a new Jewish or Arab state. Of all the nations in the region, only the Jewish state of Israel has seriously discussed helping the Arabs in the territories establish a state of their own. If not for their irrational hate of Israel and Jews, the Arabs and Iranians would have long ago sought mutually beneficial peaceful relations with Israel.

In 1948, the Arab states did not invade the new state of Israel in order to create an independent Palestinian state there, but to grab as much of that land for themselves,...

There is some truth to that. Jordan was promised $4M a year for five years and the West Bank if if did not attack Israel. It didn't.

If Jordan didn't invade Israel in 1948 then it must have been King Abdullah of Santa Catalina who was overall Commander of the Arab armies. Right. Glad we got that little matter straightened out.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There was no confusion about Jerusalem. Jordan had pledged to the UN and to Israel to honor the partition resolution which meant East Jerusalem was to be an international city but honored neither pledge.

Of course the partition resolution never happened, so...

The point is that none of the Arab states attacked Israel.

 

[Hossfly]

Besides, you're better off with Jews around. You'll always have a handy scapegoat to blame the Muslim world's failures on. If you get rid of the Jews, who would you have to blame? Because you're damn sure not going to put it where it belongs:

On Islam.

The Christians had problems with the Jews for over a thousand years before Islam was ever introduced to the world.

In fact, just a little over 60 years ago; the predominately Christian nations of Italy and Germany were rounding the Jews up and putting them in slave labor camps.

So to some how blame Islam and Muslims for the Jewish "problem" is disingenuous at best.

The problem that the Christians had with the Jews were only brought about by the Christians blaming the Jews for Jesus' death so they continuously hounded the Jews down through the centuries with such things as blood libels. Even the Vatican has changed this in recently years. Why not tell us about the problems the Muslims seem to be having with many different groups. After all, it wasn't the Jews who left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded the surrounding countries,.forcing people to convert and killing so many who refused. And now the descendents of the ancient Christians (such as the Copts) can't even practice their beliefs in peace. Plus look at all the problems the Muslims cause the Christians even now, along with Buddhists, Hindus and even Muslims of different sects. Should we blame the Jews for this?
Click here: Suicide blast at funeral leaves 15 dead, 33 injured – The Express Tribune

 

[Ropey]

Your only problem with Israel is that it's full of Jews. Your only problem with Jews is that they aren't all dead.

You are a liar Daveman.

You will never find a single post of mine advocating genocide of the Jewish people.

I only call for them to renounce and dismantle the apartheid state of so called Israel.

And either move out or become citizens of Palestine.

I am not anti-semitic at all.

And actually worry that people will finally get fed up with the Jews and cause them harm.

History has shown this to be the case over and over;

as Jews have been killed and driven out of countless countries throughout history.

My solution to the Jewish problem.

Would be to round them up world wide and find and island to quarantine them on.

There are several islands in the world that could easily contain the 13 million Jews that currently reside in various nations and Israel.

This way the Jews could build the ultimate Hebrew society they have always dreamed of.

Several gun boats would patrol the waters around the island to prevent any Jews from trying to escape.

This way the Jews could be protected from harm; and the world could finally have peace and security.

Thus a Win = Win for both Jews and Gentiles

^Negged

 

[Sunni Man]

Isolating the "Chosen People" on an island for their own well being and protection is not genocide.

 

[Hossfly]

There is some truth to that. Jordan was promised $4M a year for five years and the West Bank if if did not attack Israel. It didn't.

Nonsense. Despite what you may have found scribbled on a restroom wall, Jordan invaded East Jerusalem driving Israeli citizens there from their homes and tried to capture a corridor to the Mediterranean but was stopped by Israeli forces. The other Arab countries were similarly thwarted in their ambitions to capture all of the land west of the Jordan River in order to prevent either a Jewish state or an independent Arab state from being created there.

There was a little confusion around Jerusalem but that was the deal.

My goodness, Tinmore, you certainly are steeped in Arab propaganda. Perhaps you should find someone who actually suffered through the siege of Jerusalem and find out what that person had to go through. Meanwhile, why not read this unless you think that the Britannica Encyclopedia is run by those "dirty" Zionists that you hate.
Click here: Arab-Israeli wars -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia