Hamas rejects Quartet terms, says official

[Lipush]

I thought Israel wanted to negotiate without pre-conditions.

No, Israel wants to negotiate not only with PALESTINIAN conditions.

It's time to set foot in the ground for once.

 

[Phoenall]

I thought Israel wanted to negotiate without pre-conditions.

So what pre conditions have been mentioned then, other than those already dictated by the UN resolutions.

Indeed, UN resolutions.

Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.

Does this mean that the arab league invasion of Israel was a severe breach of the UN charter

Even when they use that right to deny themselves that right, as in 1949 when the Palestinians became part of Jordan and Egypt.

It never has, it just highlights that the Palestinians are not ready for going it alone.

Tell it to the Palestinians as they constantly attack Israel and Israeli citizens, then whinge when the retaliations begin.

They declared independence in 1988. The occupation is a separate issue dealing with armed aggressors to the north east.

First they have to negotiate this territorial integrity as laid down in UN resolutions 242 and 338

This applies more to the Palestinians who use illegal weapons of mass destruction against civilians and children, against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

 

[guno]

Lefties will find a way to blame jews for this.

Hamas won't recognise Israel, accept Quartet terms

Really ? We Jews are mostly Liberal, 70% of us voted for the President last time

And in Israel not everyone is a likunik

Your cartoonish view of issues is not surprising

Israel will always take care of itself as it has been shown for over 66 years

So steve stick to things you know about, like trannies

 

[proudveteran06]

So what pre conditions have been mentioned then, other than those already dictated by the UN resolutions.

Indeed, UN resolutions.

Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.

Does this mean that the arab league invasion of Israel was a severe breach of the UN charter

Even when they use that right to deny themselves that right, as in 1949 when the Palestinians became part of Jordan and Egypt.

It never has, it just highlights that the Palestinians are not ready for going it alone.

Tell it to the Palestinians as they constantly attack Israel and Israeli citizens, then whinge when the retaliations begin.

They declared independence in 1988. The occupation is a separate issue dealing with armed aggressors to the north east.

First they have to negotiate this territorial integrity as laid down in UN resolutions 242 and 338

This applies more to the Palestinians who use illegal weapons of mass destruction against civilians and children, against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

He has made it quite clear that " International Law" doesn't apply to the Arabs . If they had won any of those Wars which they were the Agressors Israel would have been decimated and non existent . If Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran which is against the UN Charter therefore it's against " International Law" he would justify it . Consider the source.

 

[Lipush]

Lefties will find a way to blame jews for this.

Hamas won't recognise Israel, accept Quartet terms

Really ? We Jews are mostly Liberal, 70% of us voted for the President last time

And in Israel not everyone is a likunik

Your cartoonish view of issues is not surprising

Israel will always take care of itself as it has been shown for over 66 years

So steve stick to things you know about, like trannies

You American Jews do many silly things. Nothing of a pride there.

Yeah, Obama is very smart. I can hardly think of any step in his middle east policy which didn't end in total disaster

In Israel not everyone is likudnik (I didn't vote Likud, I hate those guys, to be honest) but those who voted voted mosly for Likud, and this is what the people chose, and we are a democracy.

So what gives?

 

[guno]

Lefties will find a way to blame jews for this.

Hamas won't recognise Israel, accept Quartet terms

Really ? We Jews are mostly Liberal, 70% of us voted for the President last time

And in Israel not everyone is a likunik

Your cartoonish view of issues is not surprising

Israel will always take care of itself as it has been shown for over 66 years

So steve stick to things you know about, like trannies

You American Jews do many silly things. Nothing of a pride there.

Yeah, Obama is very smart. I can hardly think of any step in his middle east policy which didn't end in total disaster

In Israel not everyone is likudnik (I didn't vote Likud, I hate those guys, to be honest) but those who voted voted mosly for Likud, and this is what the people chose, and we are a democracy.

So what gives?

Same here this is a democratic country, Israel also has to be careful who it gets into be with (the so called zionist goyim)

 

[Phoenall]

Indeed, UN resolutions.

Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.

Does this mean that the arab league invasion of Israel was a severe breach of the UN charter

Even when they use that right to deny themselves that right, as in 1949 when the Palestinians became part of Jordan and Egypt.

It never has, it just highlights that the Palestinians are not ready for going it alone.

Tell it to the Palestinians as they constantly attack Israel and Israeli citizens, then whinge when the retaliations begin.

They declared independence in 1988. The occupation is a separate issue dealing with armed aggressors to the north east.

First they have to negotiate this territorial integrity as laid down in UN resolutions 242 and 338

This applies more to the Palestinians who use illegal weapons of mass destruction against civilians and children, against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

He has made it quite clear that " International Law" doesn't apply to the Arabs . If they had won any of those Wars which they were the Agressors Israel would have been decimated and non existent . If Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran which is against the UN Charter therefore it's against " International Law" he would justify it . Consider the source.

Every single one of his links can be traced back to ISLAMONAZI sources, and he cant see that these are not valid as they are based on LIES and BLOOD LIBELS.

 

[aris2chat]

If you can't recognize the other exists, how do you negotiate anything else? Where do they go from here?

Hamas rejects Quartet terms, says official
May 05, 2014


GAZA: Hamas will never recognize Israel and will not accept the conditions laid out by the Middle East peacemaking Quartet, according to the movement’s deputy leader.

Speaking late on Saturday, Mussa Abu Marzuq said Hamas, which recently signed a reconciliation deal with the Western-backed Palestinian leadership in the occupied West Bank, would never agree to recognize Israel. “We will not recognize the Zionist entity,” he said at a press conference in Gaza City.

Under terms of the deal, Gaza’s Hamas rulers and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) of President Mahmoud Abbas are to work together to form a new unity government which will prepare for national elections.

But Israel reacted furiously, saying it would not negotiate with any government backed by Hamas, whose charter calls for the destruction of the Jewish state, effectively putting the final nail in the coffin of the latest round of US-brokered peace talks. Recognizing Israel is one of the key conditions laid out in the 2003 peacemaking roadmap of the Middle East Quartet, which brings together the United Nations, the European Union, the United States and Russia.

The other two key demands are a renunciation of violence and acceptance of all prior agreements with Israel.

Abbas, who is to head the new government, to consist of political independents, has insisted it will abide by all three principles.

But Abu Marzuq said Hamas would never accept the Quartet’s conditions.

“Hamas rejects the Quartet’s conditions because it denies some of our people’s rights,” he told reporters.

“We will always refuse any conditions that deny our Palestinian rights.”

He also said the question of disarming Hamas’s armed wing, the Ezzedine Al Qassam Brigades, was “never mentioned” in talks with the PLO since the unity deal was inked on April 23.

“No one asked to discuss this,” he said. Azzam Al Ahmad, a senior member of Abbas’s Fatah movement, which dominates the PLO, was to arrive in Gaza City on Sunday or Monday to begin consultations on forming the new government, he said.

Agence France-Presse

Time for a UN brokered peace deal using deadly force so that hamas understands that the only way forward is to sit down and talk. Tell Israel and Egypt that they can stand down as the UN peace keepers are now in control and they will shoot anyone that approaches the borders closer than 50 metres. The civilised world is sick of pandering to the Palestinians and are stopping all aid as we speak, this will starve them to the peace table whether they like it or not.

UN peacekeepers are just observers that document violation and try to mediate the situation. The guns are only for self defense, but might as well have daisies plant in them.

 

[proudveteran06]

If you can't recognize the other exists, how do you negotiate anything else? Where do they go from here?

Hamas rejects Quartet terms, says official
May 05, 2014


GAZA: Hamas will never recognize Israel and will not accept the conditions laid out by the Middle East peacemaking Quartet, according to the movement’s deputy leader.

Speaking late on Saturday, Mussa Abu Marzuq said Hamas, which recently signed a reconciliation deal with the Western-backed Palestinian leadership in the occupied West Bank, would never agree to recognize Israel. “We will not recognize the Zionist entity,” he said at a press conference in Gaza City.

Under terms of the deal, Gaza’s Hamas rulers and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) of President Mahmoud Abbas are to work together to form a new unity government which will prepare for national elections.

But Israel reacted furiously, saying it would not negotiate with any government backed by Hamas, whose charter calls for the destruction of the Jewish state, effectively putting the final nail in the coffin of the latest round of US-brokered peace talks. Recognizing Israel is one of the key conditions laid out in the 2003 peacemaking roadmap of the Middle East Quartet, which brings together the United Nations, the European Union, the United States and Russia.

The other two key demands are a renunciation of violence and acceptance of all prior agreements with Israel.

Abbas, who is to head the new government, to consist of political independents, has insisted it will abide by all three principles.

But Abu Marzuq said Hamas would never accept the Quartet’s conditions.

“Hamas rejects the Quartet’s conditions because it denies some of our people’s rights,” he told reporters.

“We will always refuse any conditions that deny our Palestinian rights.”

He also said the question of disarming Hamas’s armed wing, the Ezzedine Al Qassam Brigades, was “never mentioned” in talks with the PLO since the unity deal was inked on April 23.

“No one asked to discuss this,” he said. Azzam Al Ahmad, a senior member of Abbas’s Fatah movement, which dominates the PLO, was to arrive in Gaza City on Sunday or Monday to begin consultations on forming the new government, he said.

Agence France-Presse

Time for a UN brokered peace deal using deadly force so that hamas understands that the only way forward is to sit down and talk. Tell Israel and Egypt that they can stand down as the UN peace keepers are now in control and they will shoot anyone that approaches the borders closer than 50 metres. The civilised world is sick of pandering to the Palestinians and are stopping all aid as we speak, this will starve them to the peace table whether they like it or not.

UN peacekeepers are just observers that document violation and try to mediate the situation. The guns are only for self defense, but might as well have daisies plant in them.

The " UN Peacekeepers" not only did not mediate the the situation but obeyed Egypt and deliberately left knowing Egypt was ready to initiate War. Ask any Pro Palestinian why Egypt demanded this , why the UN complied and there will be no response.

 

[aris2chat]

I thought Israel wanted to negotiate without pre-conditions.

So what pre conditions have been mentioned then, other than those already dictated by the UN resolutions.

Indeed, UN resolutions.

Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.

right of self determination does not mean right to statehood. Alaska and Hawaii might want to be separate nations instead of states but they don't have the right to take up arms and wage war on the US.
right to self determination can be within the system of government by representation, right to speak out and work for changes, right to live and work without persecution because of race, religion, etc.
every tin group cannot become a billion separate state by shouting self determination.
you are misunderstanding the rights. We cannot decide to take the right and terminate the statehood because you believe they should not exist. You don't have the right to exterminate a people or a nation.
Palestinians were offer a state, but refused to recognize Israel or it's right to exist.
Palestinians ran while arab state waged war on Israel. Land was take but not give to the palestinians. Instead the palestinians were put in camps and became dependents of UN.
Jews should have had the right to remain in the countries they had lived in for generations, but the arabs forced them out. Israel took them in and assimilated them. Arab state did not assimilate the palestinian refugees.
Arab states seized the assets of the jews.
Israel created jobs and provided services to all it's people. When gaza and the WB came under their control, they provided jobs but were attacked for doing so. To refuse peace or to recognize the state of Israel is petty BS. If palestinians true wanted a state they should find leaders who are willing to negotiate and come to some compromise, not a hard line of demands that Israel has to submit to.

 

[Phoenall]

If you can't recognize the other exists, how do you negotiate anything else? Where do they go from here?

Hamas rejects Quartet terms, says official
May 05, 2014


GAZA: Hamas will never recognize Israel and will not accept the conditions laid out by the Middle East peacemaking Quartet, according to the movement’s deputy leader.

Speaking late on Saturday, Mussa Abu Marzuq said Hamas, which recently signed a reconciliation deal with the Western-backed Palestinian leadership in the occupied West Bank, would never agree to recognize Israel. “We will not recognize the Zionist entity,” he said at a press conference in Gaza City.

Under terms of the deal, Gaza’s Hamas rulers and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) of President Mahmoud Abbas are to work together to form a new unity government which will prepare for national elections.

But Israel reacted furiously, saying it would not negotiate with any government backed by Hamas, whose charter calls for the destruction of the Jewish state, effectively putting the final nail in the coffin of the latest round of US-brokered peace talks. Recognizing Israel is one of the key conditions laid out in the 2003 peacemaking roadmap of the Middle East Quartet, which brings together the United Nations, the European Union, the United States and Russia.

The other two key demands are a renunciation of violence and acceptance of all prior agreements with Israel.

Abbas, who is to head the new government, to consist of political independents, has insisted it will abide by all three principles.

But Abu Marzuq said Hamas would never accept the Quartet’s conditions.

“Hamas rejects the Quartet’s conditions because it denies some of our people’s rights,” he told reporters.

“We will always refuse any conditions that deny our Palestinian rights.”

He also said the question of disarming Hamas’s armed wing, the Ezzedine Al Qassam Brigades, was “never mentioned” in talks with the PLO since the unity deal was inked on April 23.

“No one asked to discuss this,” he said. Azzam Al Ahmad, a senior member of Abbas’s Fatah movement, which dominates the PLO, was to arrive in Gaza City on Sunday or Monday to begin consultations on forming the new government, he said.

Agence France-Presse

Time for a UN brokered peace deal using deadly force so that hamas understands that the only way forward is to sit down and talk. Tell Israel and Egypt that they can stand down as the UN peace keepers are now in control and they will shoot anyone that approaches the borders closer than 50 metres. The civilised world is sick of pandering to the Palestinians and are stopping all aid as we speak, this will starve them to the peace table whether they like it or not.

UN peacekeepers are just observers that document violation and try to mediate the situation. The guns are only for self defense, but might as well have daisies plant in them.

Not if they do the same as they did with Iraq and send in the troops with orders to shoot.