Hamas Planned a Massive ‘Terror Tunnels’ Attack for September 24

[Indeependent]

I really don't see the big issue with tunnels.
Hamas don't have fighter aircraft, tanks, drones and all the other stuff Israel has been given by the American tax payers.

You don't seem to see the issue with anything Muslim.

Yes, the US and Europe are simple TERRIFIED of what Israel is going to do with all that equipment.
Terrified, I tell you!

 

[aris2chat]

I really don't see the big issue with tunnels.
Hamas don't have fighter aircraft, tanks, drones and all the other stuff Israel has been given by the American tax payers.

besides the fact it is illegal. Trying to enter Israel without permission through proper check points? Smuggling? Kidnapping? Terror attacks?
Tunnels to egypt are just as illegal.

If gazans want to enter or pass a checkpoint, maybe they should ask nicely and not be lobbing rockets at Israel.

 

[Daniyel]

I really don't see the big issue with tunnels.
Hamas don't have fighter aircraft, tanks, drones and all the other stuff Israel has been given by the American tax payers.

[MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]
It takes one stupid terrorist to kill entire family..the OP relate to a terror attack of 200 armed terrorists..the tunnels from Egypt to Gaza is one thing, the tunnels under Gaza - we can live with that, but the tunnels into Israel?

 

[Indofred]

I really don't see the big issue with tunnels.
Hamas don't have fighter aircraft, tanks, drones and all the other stuff Israel has been given by the American tax payers.

besides the fact it is illegal. Trying to enter Israel without permission through proper check points? Smuggling? Kidnapping? Terror attacks?
Tunnels to egypt are just as illegal.

If gazans want to enter or pass a checkpoint, maybe they should ask nicely and not be lobbing rockets at Israel.

Could you please post copies of the permissions for Israeli troops to enter Gaza and murder people?
My point is, Gaza has none of the free weapons supplied to Israel, so they have to do what they can.
Thank you.

 

[Indofred]

I really don't see the big issue with tunnels.
Hamas don't have fighter aircraft, tanks, drones and all the other stuff Israel has been given by the American tax payers.

[MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]
It takes one stupid terrorist to kill entire family..the OP relate to a terror attack of 200 armed terrorists..the tunnels from Egypt to Gaza is one thing, the tunnels under Gaza - we can live with that, but the tunnels into Israel?

It take one highly trained pilot to destroy an entire hospital.
It takes one Israeli gun boat crew to murder little boys playing on a beach.

Now, perhaps you can list the number of dead Israelis from tunnel attacks.

 

[Daniyel]

I really don't see the big issue with tunnels.
Hamas don't have fighter aircraft, tanks, drones and all the other stuff Israel has been given by the American tax payers.

[MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]
It takes one stupid terrorist to kill entire family..the OP relate to a terror attack of 200 armed terrorists..the tunnels from Egypt to Gaza is one thing, the tunnels under Gaza - we can live with that, but the tunnels into Israel?

It take one highly trained pilot to destroy an entire hospital.
It takes one Israeli gun boat crew to murder little boys playing on a beach.

Now, perhaps you can list the number of dead Israelis from tunnel attacks.

Based on your words.
If Israel was waiting for Hamas to change their mind, well, out of 200 terrorists, carrying 1 pistol (in the smallest occasion?) with 7 rounds (in the smallest occasion again) probably 1,400 innocents more or less.
Now lets talk realistic.
200 Terrorists armed to their teeth with Rifle/Rocket Launchers/Knives/suicide belts.
Rifle - 1 mag 30 rounds x 8 mags in every military vest we have 8x30=240 rounds.
RPG - 2/3 projectiles.
Suicide belt - 10-20 kg. explosives.
Knives - unlimited.
Lets consider the rifles only.
When each terrorist hit with each mag 1 innocent we have (fatalities)8x200(terrorists) means 1,600 fatalities..and yes, they are all innocent - not Hamas terrorists. [MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]

 

[Kondor3]

I really don't see the big issue with tunnels.
Hamas don't have fighter aircraft, tanks, drones and all the other stuff Israel has been given by the American tax payers.

[MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]
It takes one stupid terrorist to kill entire family..the OP relate to a terror attack of 200 armed terrorists..the tunnels from Egypt to Gaza is one thing, the tunnels under Gaza - we can live with that, but the tunnels into Israel?

It take one highly trained pilot to destroy an entire hospital...

Multiple hospitals have been hit by the IAF during this latest Gaza War.

All or some of them, after multiple advance warnings had been given.

All of them justified, in connection with building use by Hamas, I believe.

...It takes one Israeli gun boat crew to murder little boys playing on a beach...

No little boys were murdered, insofar as any of us know with any certainty.

Four kids were killed on a beach as a result of Israeli fire - but we have no clue at this juncture re: motives, target-identification, fire-mission command and control, nor any of that.

...Now, perhaps you can list the number of dead Israelis from tunnel attacks.

None, or only a couple, right?

This is how the Good Guys win.

Killing your Hamas boys before they can utilize the tunnels that they had prepared.

A very good trade, for the Good Guys, and a public service, on behalf of much of the rest of the world.

 

[Indofred]

[MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]
It takes one stupid terrorist to kill entire family..the OP relate to a terror attack of 200 armed terrorists..the tunnels from Egypt to Gaza is one thing, the tunnels under Gaza - we can live with that, but the tunnels into Israel?

It take one highly trained pilot to destroy an entire hospital.
It takes one Israeli gun boat crew to murder little boys playing on a beach.

Now, perhaps you can list the number of dead Israelis from tunnel attacks.

Based on your words.
If Israel was waiting for Hamas to change their mind, well, out of 200 terrorists, carrying 1 pistol (in the smallest occasion?) with 7 rounds (in the smallest occasion again) probably 1,400 innocents more or less.
Now lets talk realistic.
200 Terrorists armed to their teeth with Rifle/Rocket Launchers/Knives/suicide belts.
Rifle - 1 mag 30 rounds x 8 mags in every military vest we have 8x30=240 rounds.
RPG - 2/3 projectiles.
Suicide belt - 10-20 kg. explosives.
Knives - unlimited.
Lets consider the rifles only.
When each terrorist hit with each mag 1 innocent we have (fatalities)8x200(terrorists) means 1,600 fatalities..and yes, they are all innocent - not Hamas terrorists. [MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]

Only if hey're ******* good shots, scoring a fatal hit with every round, meet no resistance and lose no member of their group before all rounds are expired.

Now, perhaps you can list the number of actual dead Israelis from tunnel attacks

 

[Manchester]

It take one highly trained pilot to destroy an entire hospital.
It takes one Israeli gun boat crew to murder little boys playing on a beach.

Now, perhaps you can list the number of dead Israelis from tunnel attacks.

Based on your words.
If Israel was waiting for Hamas to change their mind, well, out of 200 terrorists, carrying 1 pistol (in the smallest occasion?) with 7 rounds (in the smallest occasion again) probably 1,400 innocents more or less.
Now lets talk realistic.
200 Terrorists armed to their teeth with Rifle/Rocket Launchers/Knives/suicide belts.
Rifle - 1 mag 30 rounds x 8 mags in every military vest we have 8x30=240 rounds.
RPG - 2/3 projectiles.
Suicide belt - 10-20 kg. explosives.
Knives - unlimited.
Lets consider the rifles only.
When each terrorist hit with each mag 1 innocent we have (fatalities)8x200(terrorists) means 1,600 fatalities..and yes, they are all innocent - not Hamas terrorists. [MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]

Only if hey're ******* good shots, scoring a fatal hit with every round, meet no resistance and lose no member of their group before all rounds are expired.

Now, perhaps you can list the number of actual dead Israelis from tunnel attacks

Ahh the old anti-semitic trick of basing your argument on facts eh? You nazi devil you.

 

[Daniyel]

It take one highly trained pilot to destroy an entire hospital.
It takes one Israeli gun boat crew to murder little boys playing on a beach.

Now, perhaps you can list the number of dead Israelis from tunnel attacks.

Based on your words.
If Israel was waiting for Hamas to change their mind, well, out of 200 terrorists, carrying 1 pistol (in the smallest occasion?) with 7 rounds (in the smallest occasion again) probably 1,400 innocents more or less.
Now lets talk realistic.
200 Terrorists armed to their teeth with Rifle/Rocket Launchers/Knives/suicide belts.
Rifle - 1 mag 30 rounds x 8 mags in every military vest we have 8x30=240 rounds.
RPG - 2/3 projectiles.
Suicide belt - 10-20 kg. explosives.
Knives - unlimited.
Lets consider the rifles only.
When each terrorist hit with each mag 1 innocent we have (fatalities)8x200(terrorists) means 1,600 fatalities..and yes, they are all innocent - not Hamas terrorists. [MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]

Only if hey're ******* good shots, scoring a fatal hit with every round, meet no resistance and lose no member of their group before all rounds are expired.

Now, perhaps you can list the number of actual dead Israelis from tunnel attacks

The Terror attack foiled this time as you can see was aimed on civilians, not soldiers.
Don't underestimate the terrorists, yet 5 terrorists managed to infiltrate a base and kill 5 soldiers via tunnels, they also tried to kidnap soldier but they fled after the IDF returned fire and killed one of them..if this is against unarmed innocents its a massacre and yes, more than one bullet will hit..read the OP again..
However, All the fact I've told you was just to reach that point Fred, if it is not them, its us, and we are not ready to accept that.
Hamas would be glad to know if innocents killed.
Israel is not, it is forced on us.
Imagine your neighbor is digging tunnels to your home targeting your kids, he is armed and ruthless willing to die for the cause, would you wait for him to get to your kids or would you react earlier to prevent it?
[MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]

 

[Indofred]

Now, perhaps you can list the number of actual dead Israelis from tunnel attacks

The Terror attack foiled this time as you can see was aimed on civilians, not soldiers.
Don't underestimate the terrorists, yet 5 terrorists managed to infiltrate a base and kill 5 soldiers via tunnels, they also tried to kidnap soldier but they fled after the IDF returned fire and killed one of them..if this is against unarmed innocents its a massacre and yes, more than one bullet will hit..read the OP again..
However, All the fact I've told you was just to reach that point Fred, if it is not them, its us, and we are not ready to accept that.
Hamas would be glad to know if innocents killed.
Israel is not, it is forced on us.
Imagine your neighbor is digging tunnels to your home targeting your kids, he is armed and ruthless willing to die for the cause, would you wait for him to get to your kids or would you react earlier to prevent it?
[MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]

So, 5 people have been killed by Hamas soldiers using tunnels.
All the rest is bluster.
How many civilians have been killed by Israeli tanks and aircraft?

I think Israel has all the advantages and, when you consider how many Palestinians were killed by Israel before the Israeli mass murder operation started, I can't really expect Hamas to wait around for Israelis to kill their kids.

 

[Jroc]

Now, perhaps you can list the number of actual dead Israelis from tunnel attacks

The Terror attack foiled this time as you can see was aimed on civilians, not soldiers.
Don't underestimate the terrorists, yet 5 terrorists managed to infiltrate a base and kill 5 soldiers via tunnels, they also tried to kidnap soldier but they fled after the IDF returned fire and killed one of them..if this is against unarmed innocents its a massacre and yes, more than one bullet will hit..read the OP again..
However, All the fact I've told you was just to reach that point Fred, if it is not them, its us, and we are not ready to accept that.
Hamas would be glad to know if innocents killed.
Israel is not, it is forced on us.
Imagine your neighbor is digging tunnels to your home targeting your kids, he is armed and ruthless willing to die for the cause, would you wait for him to get to your kids or would you react earlier to prevent it?
[MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]

So, 5 people have been killed by Hamas soldiers using tunnels.
All the rest is bluster.
How many civilians have been killed by Israeli tanks and aircraft?

I think Israel has all the advantages and, when you consider how many Palestinians were killed by Israel before the Israeli mass murder operation started, I can't really expect Hamas to wait around for Israelis to kill their kids.

Not for lack of trying and if not for Iron dome there would be many hundreds more Israelis killed. Hamas kills their own kids. Dead kids are good business for them

 

[docmauser1]

How many civilians have been killed by Israeli tanks and aircraft?

Do they have the gazabad military yet? With all that agitprop videogarbage outta gazabad one gets an impression that only "civilian" women and "civilian" children shoot rockets. Where're the males? Huddling under the Shifa clinic?

 

[Kondor3]

It take one highly trained pilot to destroy an entire hospital.
It takes one Israeli gun boat crew to murder little boys playing on a beach.

Now, perhaps you can list the number of dead Israelis from tunnel attacks.

Based on your words.
If Israel was waiting for Hamas to change their mind, well, out of 200 terrorists, carrying 1 pistol (in the smallest occasion?) with 7 rounds (in the smallest occasion again) probably 1,400 innocents more or less.
Now lets talk realistic.
200 Terrorists armed to their teeth with Rifle/Rocket Launchers/Knives/suicide belts.
Rifle - 1 mag 30 rounds x 8 mags in every military vest we have 8x30=240 rounds.
RPG - 2/3 projectiles.
Suicide belt - 10-20 kg. explosives.
Knives - unlimited.
Lets consider the rifles only.
When each terrorist hit with each mag 1 innocent we have (fatalities)8x200(terrorists) means 1,600 fatalities..and yes, they are all innocent - not Hamas terrorists. [MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]

Only if hey're ******* good shots, scoring a fatal hit with every round, meet no resistance and lose no member of their group before all rounds are expired.

Now, perhaps you can list the number of actual dead Israelis from tunnel attacks

The number of Israeli dead from tunnel attacks is zero, or close to it.

This is because the Israelis are killing their Hamas operators and destroying the tunnels before they can be used against Israel.

Intelligent preemption.

It's called killing the Bad Guy before he kills you.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Based on your words.
If Israel was waiting for Hamas to change their mind, well, out of 200 terrorists, carrying 1 pistol (in the smallest occasion?) with 7 rounds (in the smallest occasion again) probably 1,400 innocents more or less.
Now lets talk realistic.
200 Terrorists armed to their teeth with Rifle/Rocket Launchers/Knives/suicide belts.
Rifle - 1 mag 30 rounds x 8 mags in every military vest we have 8x30=240 rounds.
RPG - 2/3 projectiles.
Suicide belt - 10-20 kg. explosives.
Knives - unlimited.
Lets consider the rifles only.
When each terrorist hit with each mag 1 innocent we have (fatalities)8x200(terrorists) means 1,600 fatalities..and yes, they are all innocent - not Hamas terrorists. [MENTION=38033]Indofred[/MENTION]

Only if hey're ******* good shots, scoring a fatal hit with every round, meet no resistance and lose no member of their group before all rounds are expired.

Now, perhaps you can list the number of actual dead Israelis from tunnel attacks

The number of Israeli dead from tunnel attacks is zero, or close to it.

This is because the Israelis are killing their Hamas operators and destroying the tunnels before they can be used against Israel.

Intelligent preemption.

It's called killing the Bad Guy before he kills you.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp.

Tunnels are also used to export/import weapons and explosives.