GWB turns out was a pretty good President

[SFC Ollie]

The only thing any of you have that Bush duid that was even close to on par with Obama was TARP. The rest is just liberal and libertarian bullshit.

.....And, them, there recorded-lies......

​

So, Bush didn't attack other countries? Bush didn't give taxpayer money to corporations? Bush didn't increase the size of government? Bush didn't lock people in cages in Guantanamo without so much as an inkling of due process? I made all of that up because I'm not in the GOP?​

Yes we attacked two countries under Bush. One which was harboring those who had attacked us and one that Clinton had made regime change a national priority. All Presidents have received and given to Corporations as far back as I can remember. Obama after vowing to close Gitmo, decided that it was best left alone. And I didn't make any of that up....... (BTW I believe that Bush kept us in those two countries way too long, but that we did have to go in)​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

.....And, them, there recorded-lies......

​

So, Bush didn't attack other countries? Bush didn't give taxpayer money to corporations? Bush didn't increase the size of government? Bush didn't lock people in cages in Guantanamo without so much as an inkling of due process? I made all of that up because I'm not in the GOP?​

Yes we attacked two countries under Bush. One which was harboring those who had attacked us and.....​

.....Gave Lil' Dumbya one MORE opportunity to HAUL-ASS......


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmtPBTybQ9k]The Hunt For Bin Laden - YouTube[/ame]

*

PRESIDENT RELEASES CONFISCATED
TOP-SECRET IRAQI DOCUMENTS

 

[JRK]

If you think Bush was even remotely as bad as Obama then you are nothing more then a fool.

How so? All Obama has done is accelerate all the policies of Bush lol? He is bombing more countries but until he puts boots on the ground with a full out invasion of another country I'll still give Bush a slight slight slight edge. Although Obamacare almost evens it out. We will see how this guns thing plays out.

Iraq was a bi Partisan event we had no choice in conducting for many reasons, least of which was Al Qaeda was there prior to invading
UN sanctions were numerous, not just WMDs (which we did find some, not as the CIA had stated, but some after an 18 month warning we were coming)
GWB base line in 2007 was 2.72 trillion
When BHO got through with that same baseline in 2009 it was 3.5 trillion
Medicare D was un funded, but the deficit in 2007 was 162 billion. Without 9-11 we had a balanced budget then. Point being GWB did not rob anything to pay for it as BHO did medicare (lied)

This is not even close

 

[rightwinger]

If you think Bush was even remotely as bad as Obama then you are nothing more then a fool.

How so? All Obama has done is accelerate all the policies of Bush lol? He is bombing more countries but until he puts boots on the ground with a full out invasion of another country I'll still give Bush a slight slight slight edge. Although Obamacare almost evens it out. We will see how this guns thing plays out.

Iraq was a bi Partisan event we had no choice in conducting for many reasons, least of which was Al Qaeda was there prior to invading
UN sanctions were numerous, not just WMDs (which we did find some, not as the CIA had stated, but some after an 18 month warning we were coming)
GWB base line in 2007 was 2.72 trillion
When BHO got through with that same baseline in 2009 it was 3.5 trillion
Medicare D was un funded, but the deficit in 2007 was 162 billion. Without 9-11 we had a balanced budget then. Point being GWB did not rob anything to pay for it as BHO did medicare (lied)

This is not even close

UN Sanctions?

The UN told us not to invade. How did that sanction work out?

 

[JRK]

How so? All Obama has done is accelerate all the policies of Bush lol? He is bombing more countries but until he puts boots on the ground with a full out invasion of another country I'll still give Bush a slight slight slight edge. Although Obamacare almost evens it out. We will see how this guns thing plays out.

Iraq was a bi Partisan event we had no choice in conducting for many reasons, least of which was Al Qaeda was there prior to invading
UN sanctions were numerous, not just WMDs (which we did find some, not as the CIA had stated, but some after an 18 month warning we were coming)
GWB base line in 2007 was 2.72 trillion
When BHO got through with that same baseline in 2009 it was 3.5 trillion
Medicare D was un funded, but the deficit in 2007 was 162 billion. Without 9-11 we had a balanced budget then. Point being GWB did not rob anything to pay for it as BHO did medicare (lied)

This is not even close

UN Sanctions?

The UN told us not to invade. How did that sanction work out?

I started another thread that fits your to a tee
nothing personal, I mean that
We or not governed by the UN
The vote in congress stated that GWB had the authority to use force to enforce UN resolutions that included Food for oil, that was not be confused with oil for weapons

Saddam was to cooperate with the extermination and documentation the same with the destruction of WMDS
According to Hans Blix on 1-27-2003 there were as I recall over 5000 munitions classified as WMDs un accounted for among other UN resolutions with weapons not being adhered to
This was the event that triggered our invading and removing Saddam. Also according to classified data and Abu Ayyub al Masri’s widow has since confirmed the CIA’s pre-war intelligence, explaining that she and her husband moved to Baghdad in 2002

Still Clueless About Al Qaeda in Iraq | The Weekly Standard

when I talk of educating the liberal this is what I mean
I do not blame you, you have been lied too so much

 

[rdean]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

A serious economic threat given to us by Republicans.
Saddam was neutered by Bush Sr. Saddam was no threat to us.
ENRON
9 BILLION disappeared in one day.
Let Bin Laden go
over two million jobs moved to China
a "Huge Success" was "under funded"? That makes sense.
No Child was never funded.
Budgets passed that didn't include two wars and giant tax cuts.
Only the delusional right believes torture helped Obama find Bin Laden.
From a surplus to trillions in debt.


You are so right. It's not even close.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Anyone wonder where Syria suddenly got Sarin gas?

 

[Lakhota]

Anyone wonder where Syria suddenly got Sarin gas?

Their buddy, Russia?

 

[Lakhota]

GWB turns out was a pretty good President

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vn_PSJsl0LQ#t=2s]Jerry, just remember. It's not a lie... if you believe it... - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JRK]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

A serious economic threat given to us by Republicans.
Saddam was neutered by Bush Sr. Saddam was no threat to us.
ENRON
9 BILLION disappeared in one day.
Let Bin Laden go
over two million jobs moved to China
a "Huge Success" was "under funded"? That makes sense.
No Child was never funded.
Budgets passed that didn't include two wars and giant tax cuts.
Only the delusional right believes torture helped Obama find Bin Laden.
From a surplus to trillions in debt.


You are so right. It's not even close.

R Dean the education shall continue
Enron?
I give you GM
80 billion gone, we still are owed 20+ billion and without the tax payer we would be owed all of it, GM has not used one penny
2 million jobs moved to China?
That had what to do with GWB or BHO?
Two wars where paid for, so what is the difference? the monies just did not disappear
And as far as Iraq goes, would you say Al Qaeda was a good reason? this was the will of the people with 29 Dems in congress agreeing with the GWB

these are called links R Dean
Abu Ayyub al Masri’s widow has since confirmed the CIA’s pre-war intelligence, explaining that she and her husband moved to Baghdad in 2002
Still Clueless About Al Qaeda in Iraq | The Weekly Standard

UPDATE: Many Obama defenders in the comments are claiming that the numbers above do not include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. They most certainly do. While Bush did fund the wars through emergency supplementals (not the regular budget process), that spending did not simply vanish. It is included in the numbers above. Also, some Obama defenders are claiming the graphic above represents biased Heritage Foundation numbers. While we stand behind the numbers we put out 100%, the numbers, and the graphic itself, above are from the Washington Post. We originally left out the link to WaPo. It has now been added.
Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in Pictures - The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation
This will also show that your trillion dollar deficit took years, not weeks like BHO did in 2009
resident Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008.

with 2 wars, 7 Sandies, Enron(s), Nasdaq bubble, and that little event called 9-11
Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016
we went from 2.7 trillion in spending in 07 to 3.5 in 09 (failed stimulus, the last 50% of tarp and the Omnibus)

education on going

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

"No liberal here has proved Bush was a bad president" - summary of nutball sentiments

No liberal here needs to do that. Junebug started two wars, invading Iraq with no provocation and invading Afghanistan in a batshit crazy search for revenge against Saudi Arabian money. For good measure The Bush League cut taxes, facilitated speculation in essential commodities and deliberately provoked other heathen nations; a combination of public policy travesties that is perhaps the most degenerate abuse of public trust by a filthy scumball inheritor in the history of major nations.

"Obama inherited a mess..." - summary of liberal whining

This is true. It is also true that his policies benefit corporations more than natural born citizens.

Someone above wrote that Bush's worst legacy is electing Obama. While Obama is head and shoulders above Bush as an executive and moral compass, the claim seems likely to prove out. Obama is just another ReagaNUT corporatist shill like both Clintons are. Before Junebug Bush blew up the world PeeWee Herman had a more realistic prospect of being president than Obama did.

It is both hilarious and depressing that there are people who actually seem to believe either major political party is doing anything at all that benefits the average American citizen. Nutballs hide behind cross and flag while fake liberals seem to believe government can solve problems more complex than pouring piss out of a boot while reading the heel label.

The fact is corporations have bought both parties and that Junebug Bush is already locked into position as the lowest performing president in American history by EVERY objective hard measure. No exceptions.

Another fact is if presidents since IKE were put in a staircase-order presentation, every one of them would be another step down through Junior Bush and Obama would be a very small step back up [edit] from Junebug's debauchery.

 

[Meathead]

Someone above wrote that Bush's worst legacy is electing Obama. While Obama is head and shoulders above Bush as an executive and moral compass, the claim seems likely to prove out. Obama is just another ReagaNUT corporatist shill like both Clintons are.

I wrote that Bush's worse legacy is Obama.

Obama is no less of a shill than either Clinton or Bush. He simply has a cadre of adherents like yourself that idolize him because he's black and they think that's really cool. At some point in life most of us move on and don't concern ourselves with coolness.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

My opinion is Obama is an idiot. What is it about English you don't understand?

The last president that I'd cross the street to piss on if they were on fire is IKE, and that is only because he warned Americans about the military industrial complex, which along with public education unions constitute greater long term dangers to America than any foreign enemy today.

 

[Meathead]

Just the remark about Obama being head and shoulders above any previous president seemed a bit, or rather a lot over the top.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

Point taken. Post edited to clarify. Now, without the emphases below, it reads

Another fact is if presidents since IKE were put in a staircase-order presentation, every one of them would be another step down through Junior Bush and Obama would be a very small step back up [edit] from Junebug's debauchery.

 

[healthmyths]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

A serious economic threat given to us by Republicans.
Saddam was neutered by Bush Sr. Saddam was no threat to us.
ENRON
9 BILLION disappeared in one day.
Let Bin Laden go
over two million jobs moved to China
a "Huge Success" was "under funded"? That makes sense.
No Child was never funded.
Budgets passed that didn't include two wars and giant tax cuts.
Only the delusional right believes torture helped Obama find Bin Laden.
From a surplus to trillions in debt.


You are so right. It's not even close.

R Dean the education shall continue
Enron?
I give you GM
80 billion gone, we still are owed 20+ billion and without the tax payer we would be owed all of it, GM has not used one penny
2 million jobs moved to China?
That had what to do with GWB or BHO?
Two wars where paid for, so what is the difference? the monies just did not disappear
And as far as Iraq goes, would you say Al Qaeda was a good reason? this was the will of the people with 29 Dems in congress agreeing with the GWB

these are called links R Dean
Abu Ayyub al Masri’s widow has since confirmed the CIA’s pre-war intelligence, explaining that she and her husband moved to Baghdad in 2002
Still Clueless About Al Qaeda in Iraq | The Weekly Standard

UPDATE: Many Obama defenders in the comments are claiming that the numbers above do not include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. They most certainly do. While Bush did fund the wars through emergency supplementals (not the regular budget process), that spending did not simply vanish. It is included in the numbers above. Also, some Obama defenders are claiming the graphic above represents biased Heritage Foundation numbers. While we stand behind the numbers we put out 100%, the numbers, and the graphic itself, above are from the Washington Post. We originally left out the link to WaPo. It has now been added.
Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in Pictures - The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation
This will also show that your trillion dollar deficit took years, not weeks like BHO did in 2009
resident Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008.

with 2 wars, 7 Sandies, Enron(s), Nasdaq bubble, and that little event called 9-11
Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016
we went from 2.7 trillion in spending in 07 to 3.5 in 09 (failed stimulus, the last 50% of tarp and the Omnibus)

education on going

To further your "education" of the ignorati...

Dot.com/9-11/WORST HURRICANE (plural)SEASONS.. 5,000 lives lost..

Dot.com/9-11/WORST HURRICANE (plural)SEASONS.. all cost $8 trillion in combined market,businesses,assets written off against tax payments!

As a result since 2002 when first losses could be deducted against TAX Payments.. $100 billion a year LESS revenue to the US treasury!
Coupled with 850,000 jobs lost to the above events.. EACH job paid employer/employee payroll taxes that were lost!
Coupled with "unemployment" benefits PAID to those 850,000.. IN spite of that..
GDP increased 16% over Bush years.. with a $769 billion growth in 2005 the best in 50 years!

All this while Democrats LAUGHED at Bush for wanting to halt Fannie/Freddie bubble creating activities..
His administration was LAUGHED AT BY Democrats Frank and Dodd after 17 times trying to get Fannie/Freddie fixed!
"Over the past six years, the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of failure to reform GSEs but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. President Bush publicly called for GSE reform at least 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted. Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President's repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems. Many prominent Democrats, including House Finance Chairman Barney Frank, opposed any legislation correcting the risks posed by GSEs.

* House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-MA) criticized
the President's warning saying:
"these two entities - Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - are not facing any kind of financial crisis .The more people exaggerate these problems,
the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."..
(Stephen Labaton, "New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie
Mae," New York Times, 9/11/03)

* Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd also ignored the President's warnings and called on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," New York Times, 8/11/07)

Now A recent study released 12/12/12.. shows THE CRA was a major contributor!!!

" We find that adherence to the act led to riskier lending by banks: in the six quarters surrounding the CRA exams lending is elevated on average by about 5 percent every quarter and loans in these quarters default by about 15 percent more often.
These patterns are accentuated in CRA-eligible census tracts and are concentrated among large banks."
New study concludes that the Community Reinvestment Act ?clearly? did lead to risky lending | AEIdeas

 

[JRK]

"No liberal here has proved Bush was a bad president" - summary of nutball sentiments

No liberal here needs to do that. Junebug started two wars, invading Iraq with no provocation and invading Afghanistan in a batshit crazy search for revenge against Saudi Arabian money. For good measure The Bush League cut taxes, facilitated speculation in essential commodities and deliberately provoked other heathen nations; a combination of public policy travesties that is perhaps the most degenerate abuse of public trust by a filthy scumball inheritor in the history of major nations.

"Obama inherited a mess..." - summary of liberal whining

This is true. It is also true that his policies benefit corporations more than natural born citizens.

Someone above wrote that Bush's worst legacy is electing Obama. While Obama is head and shoulders above Bush as an executive and moral compass, the claim seems likely to prove out. Obama is just another ReagaNUT corporatist shill like both Clintons are. Before Junebug Bush blew up the world PeeWee Herman had a more realistic prospect of being president than Obama did.

It is both hilarious and depressing that there are people who actually seem to believe either major political party is doing anything at all that benefits the average American citizen. Nutballs hide behind cross and flag while fake liberals seem to believe government can solve problems more complex than pouring piss out of a boot while reading the heel label.

The fact is corporations have bought both parties and that Junebug Bush is already locked into position as the lowest performing president in American history by EVERY objective hard measure. No exceptions.

Another fact is if presidents since IKE were put in a staircase-order presentation, every one of them would be another step down through Junior Bush and Obama would be a very small step back up [edit] from Junebug's debauchery.

GWB started no wars and if you had been paying attention the reasons we invaded Iraq were not only numerous, there where Bi partisan as 29 of the 50 Dems in the senate ote yea
Google Hans Blix 1.27.2003 and explain to your self why this event has never had any press?
As far as inheriting a mess?
He sure did, a mess that he now GWB had anything to do with creating
The first 50% of tarp stopped the bleeding
BHO added 500 billion to that to re establish the baseline budget and blame GWB for at the same time ( a lie from our president)
He claims he saved GM in which without W GM never makes it to 2009 (another lie from BHO)
As far as the "historians" view of GWB?
now a bunch of liberal professor's are going to give W a fair shake, right?

If GWB is as bad as it has been stated, then where does that leave BHO?
Over twice the debt in 4 years that W had in 7and far more than W had in 8
no job growth
no GDP growth
That is it
not one bi partisan event except the tax hike(s) on the 450k couples and the payroll tax hike on all who work
That was due to his (BHO) absolute refusal to negotiate

W had numerous bi partisan legislation events including
Iraq
medicare D
No child left behind
Sarbanes Oxley

GWB was handed a mess also
he did nothing but un do it along with the GOP congress
9-11, a recession, 2 million jobs lost in his forst 2 years, Nasdaq bubble bursting just prior to him taking the reins
he had 7 Sandy's that included 4 in Florida and 2 in Texas and of course Katrina later

 

[regent]

Bush fifth worst overall, second worst in economics. Take some time for those scores to change.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

Actually I was paying attention, M. JRK. From the time the chimpy little twerp ran from the school room until the day he lied under the Mission Accomplished sign. The filthy god damned demorat scum who supported the war belong in Gitmo being water boarded twice a day. One expects neocon scum to be degenerate enough to attack the wrong nations; it is always a surprise when postmodern liberal jerks fall for the "expert" military imperative.

People like you seem to believe 'murka has a legitmate military role in the heathen world. It doesn't.

If there really is a God maybe I'll live to see Bush and Cheney in the dock at the Hague.

Every generation has to deal with scum in public office. Mine is unlucky enough to have two ignorant braggart Tejan presidents stupid enough to commit the US to fight longterm land wars in Asia combined with an American public too stupid to remember the prices their grandfathers, fathers and/or brothers paid in previous wars in Asia.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Why must we always remind people that the Mission accomplished was because the ship had accomplished its mission and was returning to home port?