GWB turns out was a pretty good President

[LilOlLady]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

i see a lot of big government here.

Cinton left Bush a surplus and Bush left Obama a depressioin. If Bush was such a ******* success why did he spend a $5.6 trillion surplus and he spent that and left Obama $11 plus trillion debt.

PolitiFact | Steny Hoyer says George W. Bush inherited $5.6 trillion surplus from Bill Clinton

 

[Luddly Neddite]

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One thing is for sure: We'll never get the lives, limbs and minds back of the thousands of American soldiers who should never have been sent to the Iraq & Afghanistan in the first place, nor the 4 TRILLION or so that was borrowed and then spent on those wars. Obama has been weak in getting us out of there, but he didn't put us there in the first place, and no spin can change that fact.

Think of all the lives and money that could have been saved had we just sent our armchair Rambos instead.

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We'll never get the lives back of the 58,000 plus americans from lbj's vietnam either.

Oh great, now they're blaming King Bush II for Vietnam too.

 

[EriktheRed]

Btw, if you throw the two Presidents' Veeps into the mix, Shrub looks even worse.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

i see a lot of big government here.

Cinton left Bush a surplus and Bush left Obama a depressioin. If Bush was such a ******* success why did he spend a $5.6 trillion surplus and he spent that and left Obama $11 plus trillion debt.

PolitiFact | Steny Hoyer says George W. Bush inherited $5.6 trillion surplus from Bill Clinton

And, that would be the very same $11 plus trillion debt the lying rw's are now blaming on Obama even though he didn't spend it.

 

[LilOlLady]

“in the war against al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein was one of our best allies.”

Saddam, our ally?

 

[LilOlLady]

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One thing is for sure: We'll never get the lives, limbs and minds back of the thousands of American soldiers who should never have been sent to the Iraq & Afghanistan in the first place, nor the 4 TRILLION or so that was borrowed and then spent on those wars. Obama has been weak in getting us out of there, but he didn't put us there in the first place, and no spin can change that fact.

Think of all the lives and money that could have been saved had we just sent our armchair Rambos instead.

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We'll never get the lives back of the 58,000 plus americans from lbj's vietnam either.

Oh great, now they're blaming King Bush II for Vietnam too.

WTF?

12 years later and al qaeda and taliban is alive and well. No matter how long we stay there we can never kill of terroist. Instead Iraq and Afhanistan have create more terrorist and terrorism. They don't have to come here to kills us we send americans to them to be kill.Over 6,000 of them.
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/10/iraq-war-created-more-terrorists/

 

[LordBrownTrout]

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One thing is for sure: We'll never get the lives, limbs and minds back of the thousands of American soldiers who should never have been sent to the Iraq & Afghanistan in the first place, nor the 4 TRILLION or so that was borrowed and then spent on those wars. Obama has been weak in getting us out of there, but he didn't put us there in the first place, and no spin can change that fact.

Think of all the lives and money that could have been saved had we just sent our armchair Rambos instead.

.

We'll never get the lives back of the 58,000 plus americans from lbj's vietnam either.

Oh great, now they're blaming King Bush II for Vietnam too.

......never mind

 

[GHook93]

Lord lord lord, I will correct add a few and then correct you below in red!!!

(1) Accumulation of Mortgage Meltdown: President Clinton, Congressman Frank and Dodds revived the Community Reinvestment Act and gave new powers to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to create an artificial secondary market, both combined with other factors (like GLB that Clinton signed into law) forced the banks hands and many toxic loans were created. This started under Clinton and BY Clinton and the Dimocrats, but the snowballing effect that lead to the mortgage meltdown was on his watch and he didn't stop it or try to get Congress to stop it, regardless of the number of economist warning about the danger.

(2) Iraq: Sorry bud this is and will always be a boneheaded decision. Sadam was a nutbar, but he was a polarizing force to Iran. Now Iran is unopposed. The papers are reporting on Iraq anymore but it's far from stable and the 3 secs of people, Sunnis, Shia and Kurds are still fighting each other and still going to end up in civil war.

(3) Double-Down on Clinton's Boneheaded Student Loan Deal: Clinton made federal student loans non-dsichargable in BK, which sounds great until you exam the effect. This allowed colleges to increase their product more than any product (including oil) has increased over a 10 year period and still growing at the same pace! The mortgage meltdown isn't going to be squat compared to the Student Loan one. Then Bush made private student loans non-dischargable! He didn't address the problem he double downed on it allowing yet another bubble to grow and eventually burst!

(4) Afghanistan: Afghanistan attacked us, yet he invaded Iraq and neglected Afghanistan. He also led us on a nation building war in a country that never had a civilized nation, that's impossible. When the Taliban wouldn't give up OBL. We should have declared the country of Afghanistan an enemy and attacked the country, leaving it in shambles the war Russia did with Georgia. That is how you fight a war! Afghanistan is our longest war and it has become the essences of futility!

(5) Trillion Dollar Deficit What did he have a $5-$6T deficit when he left office! That's Democrat BAD!

(6) China: He did NOTHING in the fact the ever growing deficit with China and the erosion to China, due to unfair labor practices, of our manufacturing base!

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy - Turned out positive, but don't put too much stock into it.
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had Not it didn't! Not even close. His leadership was great until he invaded Iraq and turned a sympathetic globe community against us, which has recovered!
Saddam, gone This is a BAD THING. Don't give me the BS he gased his own people, shot missiles at Israel, invaded his neighbors or any other reason; Fact of the matter, he kept Iraq stable and was a polarizing force to the nutbars in IRAN. Now Iran has a Shia run Iraq and Allie. No polarizing force!
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA) LOL, didn't happen on his watch, so credit is at best shared!
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us No permanent rates created a class warfare struggle that the Democrats WON!
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success This is a mess. A changed was required but this bloated law creates such EXPENSIVE requirements on C-Corps that many of the smaller companies that want to go public can't do it because of these requires. The companies that do go public pushed these huge costs onto the consumer - much like the Dodd/Frank Wall Street Reform bill is doing!
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success Old people like it, medicare is a mess and so is healthcare (even before Obaminationcare)
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007 Where did he end up, not even close to that! Ended with a trillion dollar deficit!
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind Which is a failure on all fronts, removing Saddam, As stated above a huge blunder!Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill Congress passes budgets not him. That is precisely why Clinton had a surplus when the Gingrich run Congress passed budgets for him!

I will give him credit for CAFTA. We have a surplus with every single one of those countries. That was a good free trade agreement and one that should be copied.

Obama blows as a President, but Bush was horrendous also!

 

[healthmyths]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

i see a lot of big government here.

Cinton left Bush a surplus and Bush left Obama a depressioin. If Bush was such a ******* success why did he spend a $5.6 trillion surplus and he spent that and left Obama $11 plus trillion debt.

PolitiFact | Steny Hoyer says George W. Bush inherited $5.6 trillion surplus from Bill Clinton

So the supposed surplus came from economic success of the dot.com right?
So how then do you explain the $5 trillion in losses when the dot.com bubble busted?
Right now this year and the previous years to 2003 tax payers reduced their tax payments by $66 billion because they take the $5 trillion against tax liabiiity.
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com bust!

9/11/2001 happened you agree? Did you the cost to the economy was $2 trillion? Airlines lost 3 days.. wall street 10 days 150
Right now this year and previous years to 2004 tax payers reduced another $24 billion in loss tax revenue from 2004 and next 30 years.
2)145,00 jobs lost in NYC alone due to 9/11... what did that cost? Billions in payroll taxes

DID the worst hurricane SEASONS not hurricanes SEASONS occur? YES what did that cost?
Hurricanes cost $1 trillion.. at the above another $12 billion in loss tax revenue.
Collectively Federal tax revenue Loss due to the $8 trillion in losses nearly $100 billion a year from 2003 and next 30 years!

Then payroll taxes
Assuming 300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com bust -- 145,000 lost due to 9/11 (remember airlines didn't fly for 3 days!) 400,000 jobs lost due to hurricanes..
850,000 jobs lost.

AND in spite of that.. GDP GREW 16%!

At the end of 2008 there were 136,790,000 people working or
4,964,000 more end of 2008 that at the beginning 131,826,000 end of 2001
AGAIN would you please tell me if I'm dreaming that dot.com bust DIDN"T occur, or 9/11 or worst hurricanes.... none of that happened!

 

[JRK]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill



It is not even close people

Saddam was a nusiance but not a threat and had no WMDs.
Intelligence made it clear Saddam Hussein was not a threat, diplomat tells MPs | World news | The Guardian

Bush admits Iraq a "terrob;e" mistake.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q77dkdzNWSA]Bush admits Iraq was 'a terrible mistake' - YouTube[/ame]

His post 911 economics cause the financial meltdown.
Did George W. Bush cause this crisis?- MSN Money

His ignoring multiple warning about 911 caused 911.
Did Bush Ignore Multiple 9/11 Warnings?

Water boarding got us nothing. Did not lead to Osama.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6YW3RtDjlg]Waterboarding Did NOT Lead to Osama bin Laden Killing - Obama Advisor - YouTube[/ame]

A decade of No Child Left Behind a complete failure.
A decade of No Child Left Behind: Lessons from a policy failure - The Answer Sheet - The Washington Post



Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Iraq did have WMDs
not the ones Clintons people said he had
This info was presented to congress in 06
The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal -- most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure sit

no child left behind? I did not say it was a success, BTW BHO kept it going
it was bi partisan
that is an opinion piece
GWB never said we did not do the right thing, he just admitted that intel gathered before and after him being president was not correct

 

[JRK]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

i see a lot of big government here.

Cinton left Bush a surplus and Bush left Obama a depressioin. If Bush was such a ******* success why did he spend a $5.6 trillion surplus and he spent that and left Obama $11 plus trillion debt.

PolitiFact | Steny Hoyer says George W. Bush inherited $5.6 trillion surplus from Bill Clinton

what?
the GOP had a surplus
Not BC
he just signed it
most of GWB debt came in 09
with Dems adding 800 billion to his baseline budget from 07-09
the deficit in 07 was 163 billion
his debt total was far from your number

Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in Pictures - The Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

President Bush expanded the federal budget by a historic $700 billion through 2008. President Obama would add another $1 trillion.
President Bush began a string of expensive finan*cial bailouts. President Obama is accelerating that course.
President Bush created a Medicare drug entitle*ment that will cost an estimated $800 billion in its first decade. President Obama has proposed a $634 billion down payment on a new govern*ment health care fund.
President Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation. Presi*dent Obama would double it.
President Bush became the first President to spend 3 percent of GDP on federal antipoverty programs. President Obama has already in*creased this spending by 20 percent.
President Bush tilted the income tax burden more toward upper-income taxpayers. President Obama would continue that trend.
President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.

that is along way from your number for a reason
yours is not correct
BTW the sources are within

PDATE: Many Obama defenders in the comments are claiming that the numbers above do not include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. They most certainly do. While Bush did fund the wars through emergency supplementals (not the regular budget process), that spending did not simply vanish. It is included in the numbers above. Also, some Obama defenders are claiming the graphic above represents biased Heritage Foundation numbers. While we stand behind the numbers we put out 100%, the numbers, and the graphic itself, above are from the Washington Post. We originally left out the link to WaPo. It has now been added.
CLARIFICATION: Of course, this Washington Post graphic does not perfectly delineate budget surpluses and deficits by administration. President Bush took office in January 2001, and therefore played a lead role in crafting the FY 2002-2008 budgets. Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for the FY 2009 budget deficit that overlaps their administrations, before President Obama assumes full budgetary responsibility beginning in FY 2010. Overall, President Obama’s budget would add twice as much debt as President Bush over the same

 

[Rinata]

Poor things!!! This is so sad.

 

[JRK]

It is the same old arguments from the left that none hold any water
Debt (2.5 trillion through 2008)
jobs
9-11 And the response to Al Qeada as well as Saddam
Iraq
Tarp (the part we got paid back for)
Sarbanes Oxly

those were all bi partisan decisions

 

[Mac1958]

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You'd think he'd know about that "Commander in Chief" thing.

What's bizarre is that he trots this shit out every few weeks.

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[JRK]

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You'd think he'd know about that "Commander in Chief" thing.

What's bizarre is that he trots this shit out every few weeks.

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Mac not sure what your stating
I have defended GWB when he was lied about
The medicare bill should have been funded
The no child left behind should have been funded
GM? congress told him hands off, he should not have saved them
70%+ supported removing Saddam and more supported war with Al Qaeda
Including 29 dems in the senate with iraq

These are just facts as is his debt record and job creation, we were below 130 million after 9-11 and Clinton's recession

what is the issue here?
It is simply the truth

 

[Harry Dresden]

Iraq did have WMDs
not the ones Clintons people said he had
This info was presented to congress in 06
The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal -- most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure sit

does not matter.....they were not found when they should have been found....

 

[MikeK]

AIG pays us back. The forst 50% of tarp saved the economy
His leadership post 9-11 prevented a more serious economic collapse than we had
Saddam, gone
UBL, gone (thanks to water boarding in 2006 as well as Navy seals/CIA)
His tax rate will be in place for 99% of us
Sarbanes Oxley, huge success
His medicare plan was under funded, but also a huge success
was within 163 billion of a balanced budget, 2007
Numerous bi partisan legislation events such as No Child left behind, removing Saddam, Etc...
Budgets through 2008 (BHO signed the 09 budget 3/2009, called the Omnibus bill

Now how is BHO doing?
no jobs
huge debt
Obama care in which some of his own now want out of some

It is not even close people

while some individuals are not receptive to either hypnosis or brainwash others are readily amenable to externally induced trance state and/or methodically indoctrinated ideas and beliefs. Those who are most receptive to externally induced states of mind should be awakened to conscious reality in carefully gradual stages or there is some risk of shock-induced mental trauma.

For that reason I respectfully recommend you avoid exposure to legitimate academic examinations of the deceptive process which prompted the unnecessary and unlawful invasion of Iraq and the deliberately profligate spending that led to the near collapse of the U.S. Economy. Because a rapid overload of irrefutable facts could be harmful to you.

Keep believing what you now believe. But if you ever decide to learn the truth you should go about it very slowly. A little at a time.

 

[JRK]

Iraq did have WMDs
not the ones Clintons people said he had
This info was presented to congress in 06
The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal -- most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure sit

does not matter.....they were not found when they should have been found....

never understood why GWB got the blame for any of that to start with
Saddam's own people stated he had shipped weapons to Syria
and
GWB did not run the CIA, Much of that came from Cinton's people

I have no issue with anyones opinion with Iraq and the war
I do have an issue with people ignoring the fact Al Qaeda was in Iraq before we invaded and that alone was reason enough to remove Saddam as well as invade Iraq
The bottom line is and always will be Saddam is the reason for that war

he had 10 years to do the right thing(s)
Al Qaeda was also setting up camp there, they had no where else to go

 

[Billo_Really]

does not matter.....they were not found when they should have been found....

After everything that's been said about them, if they really were found, this is the first thing you'd see the next day...

 

[MikeK]

Iraq did have WMDs
not the ones Clintons people said he had
This info was presented to congress in 06
The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal -- most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure sit

does not matter.....they were not found when they should have been found....

never understood why GWB got the blame for any of that to start with
Saddam's own people stated he had shipped weapons to Syria
and
GWB did not run the CIA, Much of that came from Cinton's people

I have no issue with anyones opinion with Iraq and the war
I do have an issue with people ignoring the fact Al Qaeda was in Iraq before we invaded and that alone was reason enough to remove Saddam as well as invade Iraq
The bottom line is and always will be Saddam is the reason for that war

he had 10 years to do the right thing(s)
Al Qaeda was also setting up camp there, they had no where else to go

Okay.

Keep believing all that. But, as previously advised, if you ever decide to look more closely at the facts -- do so very slowly. Because the effect of learning too much too soon can be analogous to getting the "bends" from ascending too quickly from the depths.

And, believe me, you are deep.