George Patton 1945

[eagle7-31]

Correct strategically about the communists but caught by bad political timing. Was not aware what this video had to say about Soviets killing US soldiers captured by Nazis. That should have been sharply condemned but was not. Communists also killed people BOTH against the Nazis and communists.

 

[Eman623]

Leaving aside whether the US could have defeated the USSR in 1945, or whether it would be moral to do regime change by the Americans, the American public was not going to go along with prolonging the war.

Nor was it necessary. In the end we defeated the Soviets economically without firing a shot.

 

[eagle7-31]

Leaving aside whether the US could have defeated the USSR in 1945, or whether it would be moral to do regime change by the Americans, the American public was not going to go along with prolonging the war.

Nor was it necessary. In the end we defeated the Soviets economically without firing a shot.

Difficult situation no doubt. True about public opinion but if Soviets killing American soldiers became public reaction might well have been different.

 

[Litwin]

Correct strategically about the communists but caught by bad political timing. Was not aware what this video had to say about Soviets killing US soldiers captured by Nazis. That should have been sharply condemned but was not. Communists also killed people BOTH against the Nazis and communists.

Attack? The great US General Patton wanted to liberate Europe from the Mongol–Moscow hordes of predatory imperialists. Thats why NKVD killed him

The origin of Moscovy lies in the bloody degradation of Mongolian slavery...
"semi-Asiatic" menace to "Europe" and "civilization ...
the Muscovites. They are not Slavs; they do not belong to the Indo-Germanic race at all, they are des intrus [intruders], who must be chased back across the Dnieper,

Karl Marx (1856–57/1873)

Thread 'General Patton was murdered by the agents of SRALIN´S 🐷 NKVD'

Dec 13, 2023

General Patton was murdered by the agents of SRALIN´S NKVD​

AND HE did not die immediately....I SAY : Moscow EMPIRE MUST PAY !!!​

general was murdered by the agents of NKVD, the Moscow security in charge of political assassinations and espionage, by using an odorless poison. Bazata also swore that Wild Bill Donovan of the OSS paid him $ 10,000 Dollars plus another $ 800 in expenses for his role in Patton’s death. But many believe Bazata’s story is far fetched. No projectiles were ever found, and surely Woodring, Patton’s driver, and Gen Hap Gay who was accompanying...

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[Eman623]

Difficult situation no doubt. True about public opinion but if Soviets killing American soldiers became public reaction might well have been different.

Unlikely. If it had become public known, it would have been dismissed as a tragic friendly fire incident. Which it kind of sounds like it was.

 

[Litwin]

In the end we defeated the Soviets economically without firing a shot.

Even in the early 1980s, the US didn’t realise it. The US believed that the Moscow Bolshevik empire was winning the Cold War. The commies and Moscow spies had dominated US mainstream media, academia, Hollywood, etc.

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Sep 5, 2025

Whenever "McCarthyism" is used, I never fail to reply that McCarthy was right.

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Jul 26, 2025

The Truman administration and most of America was anti-communist in the early 50's. Why in the world would Stalinist agents want to kill the "Duke"?

Netflix should make these events into a movie !

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[AZrailwhale]

Leaving aside whether the US could have defeated the USSR in 1945, or whether it would be moral to do regime change by the Americans, the American public was not going to go along with prolonging the war.

Nor was it necessary. In the end we defeated the Soviets economically without firing a shot.

The U.S. could have defeated the Soviets. It would have cost, but the Soviets depended on the WAllies for almost all of its high tech, aviation fuel, nitrates for explosives, steel and most importantly food. By 1945 the USSR couldn’t feed its armies let alone civilians. As it was the factory workers were existing on 1300 calories a day, that’s not much more than the German slave labor being worked to death got. Cut off Lend-Lease and the Soviets would only last for a few months, a year at most.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Leaving aside whether the US could have defeated the USSR in 1945, or whether it would be moral to do regime change by the Americans, the American public was not going to go along with prolonging the war.

Nor was it necessary. In the end we defeated the Soviets economically without firing a shot.

It only took another 45 years. At the time, (well just a little later that year) we had the bomb, and they did not.

 

[Eman623]

The U.S. could have defeated the Soviets.

So said Napoleon and Hitler. What would defeating the Soviets look like? Regime change? Killing Stalin? Endless occupation?

It would have cost, but the Soviets depended on the WAllies for almost all of its high tech, aviation fuel, nitrates for explosives, steel and most importantly food. By 1945 the USSR couldn’t feed its armies let alone civilians. As it was the factory workers were existing on 1300 calories a day, that’s not much more than the German slave labor being worked to death got. Cut off Lend-Lease and the Soviets would only last for a few months, a year at most.

They would hold out till winter and watch US soldiers freeze and start asking themselves, "WTF are we doing here?!"

 

[eagle7-31]

So said Napoleon and Hitler. What would defeating the Soviets look like? Regime change? Killing Stalin? Endless occupation?


They would hold out till winter and watch US soldiers freeze and start asking themselves, "WTF are we doing here?!"

Make the Soviets stay on their side of the border.

 

[Eman623]

Make the Soviets stay on their side of the border.

Truman had already agreed to let the Russians occupy East Germany.

 

[eagle7-31]

Truman had already agreed to let the Russians occupy East Germany.

I was referring to Poland, Bulgaria etc in eastern Europe. Germany was set for a 4 way occupation.

 

[Eman623]

I was referring to Poland, Bulgaria etc in eastern Europe. Germany was set for a 4 way occupation.

Technically, Russia did not have troops in those countries. They set up friendly puppet governments. Admittedly, they had to directly intervene in Hungary and Czechoslovakia when they appeared to be slipping the leash.

My point is I don't see logistically how Russia can occupy East Germany without also occupying (or at least having a friendly client/puppet) in Poland or Czechoslovakia. To say nothing of Belarus or Ukraine. You need to go through those countries to get to Germany from Russia.

And my point remains that Americans were not going to continue to bleed and die to bring democracy to Hungary, Romania or Bulgaria. Not after 4 years of fighting Hitler.

 

[Litwin]

Technically, Russia did not have troops in those countries. They set up friendly puppet governments.

who said it to you ?

ect.

 

[Litwin]

So said Napoleon and Hitler.

an old, imperial myth

the reality :

Moscow ulus´s war record :-

1856 defeated by Britain and France

1905 defeated by Japan

1917 defeated by Germany

1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states

1939 defeated by Finland

1969 defeated by China

1989 defeated by Afghanistan

1989 defeated in the Cold War.

1996 defeated by Chechnya

2022 defeated by Ukraine

2024 defeated in Syria

WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including fanatical ghazi imperialist Solzhenitsyn

Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries :-

a) Hungary 1956

b) Czechoslovakia 1968

c) Moldova 1992

d) Georgia 2008

 

[Eman623]

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I was referring to Poland, Bulgaria and other Soviet client states, not Germany.

 

[AZrailwhale]

So said Napoleon and Hitler. What would defeating the Soviets look like? Regime change? Killing Stalin? Endless occupation?


They would hold out till winter and watch US soldiers freeze and start asking themselves, "WTF are we doing here?!"

Neither Napolean nor Hitler had the advantages the US had in logistics, TACAIR and strategic mobility, not to mention a complete supremacy in strategic bombing. Like the Germans, the Red Army was largely supplied by horse traction which could only reach about a hundred miles from a rail or riverhead before the horses ate an amount of fodder equal to what they could transport. Since any war with the USSR would be starting in June or July, the Red Army would expend all of its WAllied supplied food and fuel before the winter arrived, so it would be the force freezing and starving on the steppes. By 1944 most Soviet citizens were tired of communist promises that never appeared and the WAllies would support the dissolution of the USSR into balkanized non-communist states. All would be too small and impoverished to be a threat to European peace. The USSR was kept together and its population kept in line by the fear the NKVD induced. Break the power of the secret police and even Russia would self drstruct.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Technically, Russia did not have troops in those countries. They set up friendly puppet governments. Admittedly, they had to directly intervene in Hungary and Czechoslovakia when they appeared to be slipping the leash.

My point is I don't see logistically how Russia can occupy East Germany without also occupying (or at least having a friendly client/puppet) in Poland or Czechoslovakia. To say nothing of Belarus or Ukraine. You need to go through those countries to get to Germany from Russia.

And my point remains that Americans were not going to continue to bleed and die to bring democracy to Hungary, Romania or Bulgaria. Not after 4 years of fighting Hitler.

The USSR had occupation troops in all of those countries for at least a decade after the war.

 

[Litwin]

I was referring to Poland, Bulgaria and other Soviet client states, not Germany.

I have no ******* idea why you think Eastern commie Germany was different from other Moscow Bolshevik colonies in Eastern Europe. Still, you are totally wrong ("Russia" did not have troops in those countries. They set up friendly puppet governments") —Bolshevik imperialists kept occupation forces in Eastern Europe until the last days of the Bolshevik empire in 1991.

 

[Litwin]

The USSR had occupation troops in all of those countries for at least a decade after the war.

A perfect summary of Moscow imperialism