Fox News : " Erdogan says NATO should be shooting down putin´s 🇷🇺 jets"

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...like the 🇹🇷Turks did themselves 10 years back... Unfortunately, it seems our postmodernists no longer want to do the heavy lifting. The principle of collective defense—enshrined in Article 5 of the NATO treaty—once stood as an unshakable pillar of Western security. But today, it doesn’t carry the same automatic force it did 40 years ago.
This shift is no longer theoretical—it’s political. U.S. figures like Josh Hawley, Matt Gaetz, and Rand Paul have questioned the wisdom of binding defense obligations. Hawley opposed NATO enlargement , arguing it distracts from commie han- China. Gaetz has pushed to end U.S. aid to Ukraine, casting doubt on NATO’s relevance. Paul, ever the non-interventionist, resists automatic military commitments.
Their skepticism reflects a broader trend: strategic ambiguity is replacing solidarity. Article 5 still exists, but its power now depends on political will—not shared conviction
still, do you agree with Erdogan ?

 
If a hostile force violates a countries air space...they should be shot at.

The bigger question is why isn't NATO practicing that.
 
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...like the 🇹🇷Turks did themselves 10 years back... Unfortunately, it seems our postmodernists no longer want to do the heavy lifting. The principle of collective defense—enshrined in Article 5 of the NATO treaty—once stood as an unshakable pillar of Western security. But today, it doesn’t carry the same automatic force it did 40 years ago.
This shift is no longer theoretical—it’s political. U.S. figures like Josh Hawley, Matt Gaetz, and Rand Paul have questioned the wisdom of binding defense obligations. Hawley opposed NATO enlargement , arguing it distracts from commie han- China. Gaetz has pushed to end U.S. aid to Ukraine, casting doubt on NATO’s relevance. Paul, ever the non-interventionist, resists automatic military commitments.
Their skepticism reflects a broader trend: strategic ambiguity is replacing solidarity. Article 5 still exists, but its power now depends on political will—not shared conviction
still, do you agree with Erdogan ?



The Turks are lying two-faced bastards. Turkey buys significant amounts of Russian oil, both crude and refined products. After Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Turkey became one of Moscow's largest energy customers, along with China and India.
 
The Turks are lying two-faced bastards. Turkey buys significant amounts of Russian oil, both crude and refined products. After Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Turkey became one of Moscow's largest energy customers, along with China and India.
One thing is certain: 🇹🇷 Turkey is the biggest winner in this war. They’ve been humiliating putin and his 🇷🇺 empire non-stop for 3.5 years. How much of the Moscow 🇷🇺Empire does Turkey want to grab? Do 🇹🇷 they want to liberate Circassia?





 
If a hostile force violates a countries air space...they should be shot at.

The bigger question is why isn't NATO practicing that.
Saddam🇷🇺 Putsein ’s regime may be closer to a Soviet collapse than we think. the horde ’s resurrected military industrial complex is cannibalising the rest of its economy, - The Telegraph

 
I am not a General but I play one on the WWW.

We need to concentrate on destroying the oil industry in the RF.
 
Crash the price of oil and watch Russia and Iran's economy fall.
 
Europeans and Russians need to drop their row and need to find a way to avoid their military provocations.
This is EU-Russia issue and they should stop burdening others with their row.
 
So which EU idiot will go down the well with an American rope ?

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Crash the price of oil and watch Russia and Iran's economy fall.
It's worth remembering how Ronald Reagan took down the Bolshevik empire – without firing a shot. His key weapon? Oil. As Michael Reagan put it, "He did it without firing a shot, as we know, but he had a super weapon -- oil.

Now, President Trump aims to cut global oil prices, specifically targeting putin's Urals 🇷🇺crude, potentially driving it below $30. The implications are clear: the Moscow empire might not survive his term.

Back in the 1980s, a similar strategy played out. Saudi Arabia ramped up oil production from 2 million to 10 million barrels per day. This flooded the market, causing prices to plummet from $32 to $10 a barrel. For Bolshevik empire , heavily reliant on high oil revenues, this was a devastating blow. In 1986 alone, they lost over $20 billion – about 7.5% of their annual income – and their budget was already in deficit.
While this hurt Saudi Arabia's economy in the short term, it appears the US provided financial backing. As one source suggests, then-CIA Director Casey offered financial reparations to the Saudis. This is supported by the fact that in 1986, 80% of Saudi oil was sold through American companies like Exxon, Mobil, Texaco, and Chevron.
The result was that the Bolshevik empire was plunged into a deep recession. The already fragile, centrally planned Bolshevik empire´s economy couldn't handle the shock. The USSR's foreign debt soared from $30 billion in 1986 to $50 billion by 1989.
Eventually, oil prices recovered, reaching profitability for Saudi Arabia in the early 2000s. But by then, they had likely amassed substantial sovereign wealth funds from the high-price 1970s. The US, meanwhile, profited handsomely. In 1986, gas stations in America were practically giving away gasoline as a promotion.
This oil price collapse was a major factor in the US victory in the Cold War. The resulting economic hardship forced Bolshevik mafia boss Mikhail Gorbachev to make unpopular political concessions. His attempts at reform (his empire ) were doomed by a lack of funds. Gorbachev's rhetoric fell flat with an increasingly impoverished population, who demanded accountability. This paved the way for anti-colonial harsh criticism of the entire Bolshevik imperial system. By the late 1980s, the collapse of the Bolshevik empire was inevitable.

Many people don't grasp the strategic game that Trump, like Reagan, is playing against putin´s Moscow empire. Today, Brent crude is around $62 a barrel, while Urals is much cheaper. And as reported before, "Saudi Arabia is ready to reduce oil prices to $50." Remember, the USSR's imperial economy collapsed when oil prices fell to $15-23 a barrel, and the Moscow empire's budget is unsustainable below $42.4.

This is essentially Trump's peace plan. :thup:


 
If a hostile force violates a countries air space...they should be shot at.

The bigger question is why isn't NATO practicing that.
Even bigger is why are they lying about “Russian” drones attacking Poland and Russian fighters in Estonia?
 

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