Dr. Fauci is our Supreme Leader

[Markatmonterey]

A court determined that mandatory masks on planes were unconstitutional. I agree. Stop the paranoia! Dr. Fauci, who sees himself as infallible, found it "disturbing" that a court overruled him! Is Fauci beyond the law? Is Fauci our Supreme Leader? Power corrupts.

 

[Clipper]

A court determined that mandatory masks on planes were unconstitutional. I agree. Stop the paranoia! Dr. Fauci, who sees himself as infallible, found it "disturbing" that a court overruled him! Is Fauci beyond the law? Is Fauci our Supreme Leader? Power corrupts.

The judge is an idiot, deemed unqualified to sit on the bench. The judge didn't overrule Fauci per se so your statement about him is rediculous. You asshats have been trying to destroy Fauci ever since that orange pile of shit Trump left office because he's not another one of his asseater's.

 

[Rambunctious]

Fauci will claim some weird variant is here and we must have mailout ballots again...

 

[Kondor3]

A court determined that mandatory masks on planes were unconstitutional. I agree. Stop the paranoia! Dr. Fauci, who sees himself as infallible, found it "disturbing" that a court overruled him! Is Fauci beyond the law? Is Fauci our Supreme Leader? Power corrupts.

Fauci is right... medically-incompetent people should not be making medically-impactful decisions in the Public Health domain...

But to get around that, perhaps it's time to pass legislation granting the CDC (or some other national health authority) such powers...

Complete with sufficient controls to ensure that such powers are only exercised during periods of extensive and lethal risk to public safety and health...

Tucked under some Constitutional provision or another that can't be easily dislodged by redneck jurists with a chip on their shoulders...

 

[Puma Punku]

The very moment Fuaci learned of a bat virus coming from Wuhan, he HAD to have known that it likely came from the "lab" that he helped to fund. After all, what are the odds that that one lab in all of China that happened to be studying bat virus's was not responsible? Fuaci could have "come clean" and leveled with us, but nooooo. He lied like a five year old child with his hand in the cookie jar. He tried to hide the truth and smear anyone trying to tell the truth. When the truth came out, he doubled down and lied about the definition of "gain of function" in front of congress. Some of his "supporters" may ask "so what?". I'll answer them...Ukrainian bio weapon laboratories. Fuaci is a proven liar that has lied about one of the most catastrophic events of our lifetime.

 

[Rambunctious]

Fauci is right... medically-incompetent people should not be making medically-impactful decisions in the Public Health domain...

But to get around that, perhaps it's time to pass legislation granting the CDC (or some other national health authority) such powers...

Complete with sufficient controls to ensure that such powers are only exercised during periods of extensive and lethal risk to public safety and health...

Tucked under some Constitutional provision or another that can't be easily dislodged by redneck jurists with a chip on their shoulders...

The judge is saying that the CDC has no authority to force mask mandates...and the people agree with her...so Fauci who has fucked this whole thing up can kiss our ass....

 

[Puma Punku]

Fuaci did not F this whole thing up by mistake. He knew that his role in the Wuhan lab and the "work" they were doing was going to look very bad for him. So he lied, coerced other "experts" to lie and ridiculed the truth seekers as "conspiracy nuts". This is all fairly obvious to all informed Americans at this point. Yet here in "clown world" he is still looked upon as the Lord and Savior of the Covid pandemic. Fuaci is evil. Not just inept and corrupt.... but truly evil.

 

[Puma Punku]

So once we all knew about the Wuhan lab and what they were up to,,,,You would think that someone might ask the very obvious question to the good doctor Fuaci....Are there any other "labs" similar to Wuhan that may pose a risk in the future? Again, I will remind everyone of the Ukrainian "bio research labs". To see Dr. Fuaci smirking in front of T.V. cameras should infuriate all of us. Especially ones that lost loved ones from the pandemic that he helped to create.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

There has still not been any real investigation of the origin on the Covid-19 pandemic.
People need to be held responsible.
There should be Nuremberg style trials.

 

[WEATHER53]

The judge is an idiot, deemed unqualified to sit on the bench. The judge didn't overrule Fauci per se so your statement about him is rediculous. You asshats have been trying to destroy Fauci ever since that orange pile of shit Trump left office because he's not another one of his asseater's.

If deemed unqualified then would not be there. Quit repeating lies.

 

[WEATHER53]

America decided to knuckle to a virus nut. I guess a mineral specialist could throw his hand up In the air and declare we must stop inhaling trace elements. Demonizing and “worst cading ” the air we breathe is an absolute idiot course of action

 

[Clipper]

If deemed unqualified then would not be there. Quit repeating lies.

Trump nominated her & his goons voted to appoint her despite her being deemed unqualified.

Get your facts straight before calling me a liar.

 

[Kondor3]

The judge is saying that the CDC has no authority to force mask mandates...and the people agree with her...so Fauci who has fucked this whole thing up can kiss our ass....

Yes, I agree that that was what the judge was saying.

Yes, I agree that the judge was making a Constitutional ruling and not a public health pronouncement.

The trouble is that in this particular matter the two are too closely intertwined to properly separate them for purposes of fostering the public good.

On the one hand, ruling as the judge did, Constitutional boundaries or lines-of-authority are clearly defined, and the public benefits from that.

However, if that proper ruling results in far more deaths and sickness than otherwise would have been necessary, then the public will ALSO have been harmed.

As to Fauci phukking-this-up, I tend to disagree... he's made a couple of bad judgment calls throughout all of this, but he appears to have done far more good than harm.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

 

[Rambunctious]

Yes, I agree that that was what the judge was saying.

Yes, I agree that the judge was making a Constitutional ruling and not a public health pronouncement.

The trouble is that in this particular matter the two are too closely intertwined to properly separate them for purposes of fostering the public good.

On the one hand, ruling as the judge did, Constitutional boundaries or lines-of-authority are clearly defined, and the public benefits from that.

However, if that proper ruling results in far more deaths and sickness than otherwise would have been necessary, then the public will ALSO have been harmed.

As to Fauci phukking-this-up, I tend to disagree... he's made a couple of bad judgment calls throughout all of this, but he appears to have done far more good than harm.

No that's not the crux of it...she is also saying its up to elected leaders to impose mandates not some unelected agency of the government...Washington elected elite do this all the time... its called passing the buck.... If Joe or the Easter Bunny wants mandates let them impose them the cowards....

 

[Puma Punku]

A couple of "bad judgement calls"...Seriously? What kind of idiot would think it was a good idea to fund a lab in Wuhan China to conduct this type of research? This type of "research " is dangerous enough here in our labs, yet Fuaci saw no problem giving China...( an adversary to the U.S.) hundreds of millions of dollars to play with pandemic potential virus's. That is not a "bad judgement call"... That is evil.

 

[Puma Punku]

Was the good Dr. Fuaci doing "more good than harm" when he initially lied about masks not being effective? He later stated that he told that lie to avoid shortages for healthcare workers from panic buying. And then later stated that the truth is, mask should be mandated. In essence he was acting like a parent that was lying to his children for their own good...As an American..I say to Dr. Fuaci.... "that's not how any of this works".

 

[Kondor3]

No that's not the crux of it...she is also saying its up to elected leaders to impose mandates not some unelected agency of the government...Washington elected elite do this all the time... its called passing the buck.... If Joe or the Easter Bunny wants mandates let them impose them the cowards....

Oh, come now... that's just a matter of "delegation", isn't it?

And by that, I mean that the Executive (elected) delegates such "calls" to a competent agency (HHS, subsection CDC) operating under his supervision.

If...

1. Sleepy Old Uncle Joe is the Executive
2. The Secretary of the US Dept of Health and Human Services reports directly to him
3. The Director of the Centers for Disease Control reports directly to the Secretary of HHS
4. Neither the Secretary of HHS nor the Executive override the CDC's pronouncement

...then does not that entirely intact chain-of-command leading to the elected Executive actually fulfill your requirement?

 

[Kondor3]

Was the good Dr. Fuaci doing "more good than harm" when he initially lied about masks not being effective?

No. That was a "harm", wasn't it?

But I understand exactly why he did it though, and I forgive him for it.

He did it because at the time there was a frightful shortage of PPE...

And that PPE had to be reserved first and foremost for medical clinicians so that the maximum number of lives could be saved by those masked clinicians...

It was the only sensible "call" that could have been made at the time...

He later stated that he told that lie to avoid shortages for healthcare workers from panic buying. And then later stated that the truth is, mask should be mandated. In essence he was acting like a parent that was lying to his children for their own good...As an American..I say to Dr. Fuaci.... "that's not how any of this works".

He did what he had to do, to ensure that medical clinicians had enough PPE in the early going, to keep them at their jobs, saving lives...

It was a tough "call"... and an ugly one... but it was also the right one.

 

[Puma Punku]

I agree with you Kondor3. But, IMHO, at that point Fuaci lost all credibility. Once someone lies to you....you can never ( fully) trust them again. He should have been replaced instantly with a credible expert that was not known to lie to us for our own good.