Dolly Parton dedicated an entire ACM Awards to Ukraine, Classy people support the Free World, the trash/ cowards support /like Moscow imperialism

[AntonToo]

Something I never stated.

So, you feel that the United States and Great Britain accomplished what they agreed to in the memorandum leading up to and following the 2014 occupation of Crimea by Russia? Historical actions I've highlighted that demonstrate otherwise, while Crimea is still occupied by Russia.

The fact that you are making this argument just shows how ignorant you are of what was going on in 2014 when Crimea was taken over.

Leading up to 2014 Yanukovich administration greatly defunded and downsized Ukranian army and on top of that Ukraine was in the middle of a serious government crisis and had no leadership structure to mount any sort of serious millitary response against Russia. Foreign material support in 2014 would do exactly NOTHING as there was no serious army that could actually use it.

Ukraine elected a persuit of diplomatic international resolution to Crimean occupation and used the next eight years to build up it's army. NONE OF THAT MEANS WE SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTING UKRAINE TODAY.

Security support commitments are only going to expire when Ukraine gets nuclear weapons again or becomes NATO member.

 

[jotathought]

The fact that you are making this argument just shows how ignorant you are of what was going on in 2014 when Crimea was taken over.

Leading up to 2014 Yanukovich administration greatly defunded and downsized Ukranian army and on top of that Ukraine was in the middle of a serious government crisis and had no leadership structure to mount any sort of serious millitary response against Russia. Foreign material support in 2014 would do exactly NOTHING as there was no serious army that could actually use it.

Ukraine elected a persuit of diplomatic international resolution to Crimean occupation and used the next eight years to build up it's army. NONE OF THAT MEANS WE SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTING UKRAINE TODAY.

Security support commitments are only going to expire when Ukraine gets nuclear weapons again or becomes NATO member.

It looks like I'm better versed on the topic than you. Clearly. In fact, many of the items you referenced above support many of the points I've already made:

Are you actually going to read this, or will you pull an IM2 and just say 'WRONG!" LOL

• In regards to the context of military readiness, their lack of readiness and the political crisis in Ukraine made it nearly impossible to mount a strong defense, which highlights the inadequacy of the security assurances provided in the Budapest Memorandum.
• After annexation, Ukraine's diplomatic efforts to resolve the situation and attempt to build a stronger military demonstrate a lack of adherence to the Budapest Memorandum's intention of preventing such situations.
• The Budapest Memorandum is the centerpiece of commitments made by the United States, Great Britain, and Russia regarding Ukraine's sovereignty and underscoring the security dynamics before and after the annexation of Crimea. They clearly demonstrate the failure of the United States and Great Britain to uphold their commitments and have produced the long-term effect we all saw in real-time in February of 2022. The United States and Great Britain's response in 2014 was deemed more reactionary, by imposing sanctions, as opposed to being more comprehensive by providing military aid, coordination with Allies, humanitarian aid and a public commitment to Ukraine.

What else you got?

 

[AntonToo]

It looks like I'm better versed on the topic than you. Clearly. In fact, many of the items you referenced above support many of the points I've already made:

Are you actually going to read this, or will you pull an IM2 and just say 'WRONG!" LOL

• In regards to the context of military readiness, their lack of readiness and the political crisis in Ukraine made it nearly impossible to mount a strong defense, which highlights the inadequacy of the security assurances provided in the Budapest Memorandum.
• After annexation, Ukraine's diplomatic efforts to resolve the situation and attempt to build a stronger military demonstrate a lack of adherence to the Budapest Memorandum's intention of preventing such situations.
• The Budapest Memorandum is the centerpiece of commitments made by the United States, Great Britain, and Russia regarding Ukraine's sovereignty and underscoring the security dynamics before and after the annexation of Crimea. They clearly demonstrate the failure of the United States and Great Britain to uphold their commitments and have produced the long-term effect we all saw in real-time in February of 2022. The United States and Great Britain's response in 2014 was deemed more reactionary, by imposing sanctions, as opposed to being more comprehensive by providing military aid, coordination with Allies, humanitarian aid and a public commitment to Ukraine.

What else you got?

You keep repeating same dumb shit wrapped up slightly different way.

Nothing about how Ukraine handled Crimean annexation in any way nullified our agreement to assist their defense efforts.

 

[0311]

They de-facto support Putin’s goals.

Parton is the real deal. Which means MAGA MAGGOTS will drop her like a bad habit.

 

[jotathought]

You keep repeating same dumb shit wrapped up slightly different way.

Nothing about how Ukraine handled Crimean annexation in any way nullified our agreement to assist their defense efforts.

.. while you keep repeating the same dumb shit about something I never said. I know the truth hurts, but the United States and Great Britain failed to meet their commitments leading up to and in response to the Crimea invasion. Regardless, the Budapest Memo is not legally binding.

 

[AntonToo]

I know the truth hurts, but the United States and Great Britain failed to meet their commitments leading up to and in response to the Crimea invasion.

We've never commited to sending our troops to defending Ukraine, nor did Ukraine ever ask for that.

The only one saying it is YOU, who is making this argument as straw grasping to sustain a ludecrous assertion that we don't owe to Ukraine diplomatic, economic and material millitary support for them giving up their nukes.

We do owe it to Ukraine and assisting them in their rightous defense, while inflicting consequences on lawless invaders is the right, moral thing to do.

 

[jotathought]

We've never commited to sending our troops to defending Ukraine, nor did Ukraine ever ask for that.

The only one saying it is YOU, who is making this argument as straw grasping to sustain a ludecrous assertion that we don't owe to Ukraine diplomatic, economic and material millitary support for them giving up their nukes.

We do owe it to Ukraine and assisting them in their rightous defense, while inflicting consequences on lawless invaders is the right, moral thing to do.

Uh-huh.. I will rely on the experts who have written about the effectiveness of the Budapest Memorandum and the response from those committing to security assurances.

From the Wilson Center's Mariana Budjeryn, a notable PhD in Political Science, Public Policy, and International Relations at the Central European University in Hungary, and the first female to win the prestigious William E. Colby Military Writers’ Award.

Enjoy .. doesn't look like I'm the only one making up the argument.

The Breach: Ukraine’s Territorial Integrity and the Budapest Memorandum

The perceptions of Russian threat to the territorial integrity of Ukraine that underpinned its demands for security guarantees in the early 1990s have proved justified. Bereft of allies and weakened by perennial bad governance that led to an internal political crisis, Ukraine became an easy target for Mr. Putin. The Budapest Memorandum failed to deter Russian aggression because it imposed no immediate cost for its violation. The political assurances it provided rested on the goodwill and self-restraint of the guarantors, an arrangement that can work between allies but not potential adversaries. The Crimean crisis exposed how quickly self-restraint dissipates when a guarantor becomes revisionist.

For Ukraine, the precarious balancing act between the West and Russia is over: it will lobby hard to integrate itself into Euro-Atlantic security structures. The regional repercussions are significant enough that NATO allies such as Poland and the Baltic states will likely support Ukraine’s NATO aspirations, while seeking greater reassurances of the US commitment to their own security. These new demands on US extended deterrence will further strain US-Russian relations.

The global repercussions of Russia’s breach of the Memorandum lie in its effects on international nonproliferation and disarmament efforts. Despite its shortcomings, the Memorandum politically bounded Ukraine’s denuclearization to the respect for its territorial integrity by the nuclear powers. Continued, unsanctioned violation of this commitment will provide ample rhetorical ammunition to proliferators in favor of a nuclear deterrent as a remedy for both nuclear and conventional military threats. To dissuade them, the international community will have to invent a more convincing bargain than a security assurance. A nuclear free world now comes at a dearer price.

 

[Litwin]

Talk about conspiracy theories ..

 

[Litwin]

Dolly is Tennessee treasure!
This is what a great American looks like. Bless her.

 

[jotathought]

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What does any of this have to do with Alaska?

 

[Donald H]

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I'm afraid that it 'is' a genocide against the Ukraine, but it didn't have to be that way.. The Ukraine agreed to a peaceful settlement and should have told America to stop interfering in the Ukraine and Russia's business.

Russia is still willing to find peace on terms that the Ukraine can agree upon. We should talk about it my friend!

 

[22lcidw]

Dolly is Tennessee treasure!
This is what a great American looks like. Bless her.

Unfortunately, most Prog entertainers and media people are laughing at the people affected by the hurricane. And I know they are drooling at the prospect of Republicans not voting. That would be a real memorandum on Prog voters as they see what can happen to them and then must realize it. Dictatorships are not one way after the power is total.

 

[Litwin]

I'm afraid that it 'is' a genocide against the Ukraine, but it didn't have to be that way.. The Ukraine agreed to a peaceful settlement and should have told America to stop interfering in the Ukraine and Russia's business.

Russia is still willing to find peace on terms that the Ukraine can agree upon. We should talk about it my friend!

If you are pro- Moscow you are anti-humanity...

'Decolonization of Moscow empire is the only way to end its imperialism', And I don’t mean Putin´s imperialism, but Moscow imperialism in general , from Solzhenitsyn and #Brodsky to #Navalny and Dugin.

 

[Donald H]

If you are pro- Moscow you are anti-humanity...

'Decolonization of Moscow empire is the only way to end its imperialism', And I don’t mean Putin´s imperialism, but Moscow imperialism in general , from Solzhenitsyn and #Brodsky to #Navalny and Dugin.

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Let it all out my friend. There's no way you can adopt a peaceful spirit when you're confusing Russia of Nazi tactics while the facts tell us something different.

 

[Litwin]

Let it all out my friend. There's no way you can adopt a peaceful spirit when you're confusing Russia of Nazi tactics while the facts tell us something different.

" Saddam Putsein the Great Loser" is rapidly sending Mongol - Muscovite empire back to 15c borders .

Muscovite 🇷🇺 Nazi.

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