DOJ Guilty Of Discrimination

[Independent thinker]

Can an asylee applicant or a “refugee” legally work for Space X (other than maybe as janitors and facility maintenance)?

The point of the thread is that actually, the DOJ won't hire anyone unless they are US Citizens so they won't hire refugees or asylum seekers either, even though that is what they are suing SpaceX for.

 

[Independent thinker]

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The article did not say “asylee applicant”. Both asylee and refugee are defined legal residents in the US and able to work sowhy couldn’t they legally work for SpaceX in any capacity?

But the DOJ says they only hire US citizens, which rules out refugees and asylum seekers so they are guilty of the very same thing they are suing SpaceX for.

 

[BackAgain]

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The article did not say “asylee applicant”.

It didn’t say that their Asylee applications were granted, either.

Both asylee and refugee are defined legal residents in the US

Nobody is challenging the legal residency of asylees, asylee applicants or legal refugees.

and able to work

Not where such work is forbidden by law to aliens.

sowhy couldn’t they legally work for SpaceX in any capacity?

Because sometimes work is restricted to citizens with proper clearance. And an asylee, an asylee applicant or a legal refuge isn’t a citizen and may not be eligible for such clearance.

 

[Coyote]

You mean the ones the DOJ refuses to hire themselves because the DOJ requires that you have to be a US citizen?

None of them are illegals.

But unlike private companies, you have to be a U.S. citizen to work for the federal government.

Do I have to be a US citizen to apply? - OPM.gov

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Under Executive Order 11935, only United States citizens and nationals may be appointed to competitive service Federal jobs. In rare cases, agencies may hire certain non-citizens when there are no qualified U.S. citizens available, unless the appointment is prohibited by statute.

 

[Rigby5]

Your OP is dishonest. The article references refugees and asylees, these people are in the US legally.

But they still can not get a security clearance, so can not be hired even if Musk wanted to.

The only way to ever maintain any security is at the front gate.
Once inside, then anyone can pick and photograph or read any document, diagram, component configuration, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

None of them are illegals.

But unlike private companies, you have to be a U.S. citizen to work for the federal government.

Do I have to be a US citizen to apply? - OPM.gov

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Under Executive Order 11935, only United States citizens and nationals may be appointed to competitive service Federal jobs. In rare cases, agencies may hire certain non-citizens when there are no qualified U.S. citizens available, unless the appointment is prohibited by statute.

The government by law has to follow the exact same regulations as private companies.
If the US gov can require citizenship for a job, then it has to be legal for any company.

 

[SaxonJackson]

But the point of the thread is that the DOJ is suing SpaceX for not hiring asylum seekers or refugees, something the DOJ doesn't do because they won't hire anyone unless they are a US citizen.

And so far, it's only "alleged" that Space-X is breaking any laws. But you and I know that leftist, American regimes can classify illegals as "refugees" as a loophole to allow an invasion of our nation.

 

[postman]

But the DOJ says they only hire US citizens, which means they are also in violation of the very same thing they are suing SpaceX for, meaning they have a two tiered justice system.

That's not DOJ, that congress that made that law, and applied it to the federal government.

 

[postman]

The point of the thread is that actually, the DOJ won't hire anyone unless they are US Citizens so they won't hire refugees or asylum seekers either, even though that is what they are suing SpaceX for.

Those are laws set by congress. DOJ has no say in the matter.
Just like there is a federal law against felons in the military, except by special waiver.

 

[postman]

The government by law has to follow the exact same regulations as private companies.
If the US gov can require citizenship for a job, then it has to be legal for any company.

That's absolutely wrong. The federal government (ie congress) can make different laws for the government, then for private businesses. An example is how DOD is exempt from environmental disclosure.

 

[Coyote]

It didn’t say that their Ashlee applications were granted, either.

Asylee is a specific term, it isn’t the same as an applicant:

9 FAM 203.2 WHAT IS A REFUGEE? WHAT IS AN ASYLEE?

fam.state.gov

Asylum applicants can’t legally work except under certain conditions.

I think it is safe to assume this about asylees with a legal right to work and that have certain legal protections from discrimination.

Nobody is challenging the legal residency of asylees, asylee applicants or legal refugees.

Reread the OP, he referred to them as illegals.

Not where such work is forbidden by law to aliens.

Of course not.

Because sometimes work is restricted to citizens with proper clearance. And an asylee, an asylee applicant or a legal refuge isn’t a citizen and may not be eligible for such clearance.

That is true.

Is there any indication of that with SpaceX? SpaceX has hired H-1B applicants for example (Musk himself was a H-1B recipient).


This site gives a more complete account of why SpaceX is being sued and notes this:

Under the INA, employers cannot discriminate against asylees and refugees in the hiring process, unless there is a law, regulation, executive order, or government contract that requires the employer to do so. The IER is charged with enforcing the anti-discriminatory provisions of the INA. The INA generally prohibits discrimination based on citizenship status and national origin when hiring, firing or recruiting.

 

[WEATHER53]

Biden's DOJ is currently suing Elon Musk and SpaceX for not hiring illegals but Elon Musk points out that the DOJ's own hiring policy states that only citizens are eligible to apply to work for them. Yet another example of Biden's and the DOJ's two tiered justice system.

In response to a lawsuit against his private space venture for employment discrimination, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk called out the Department of Justice for its own hiring policies.

In a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, the founder of the space company suggested that the “DOJ needs to sue themselves!” The post cites a tweet by Alex Tabarrok, an economist from George Mason University. In his tweet, Tabarrok points out that the job requirements for the federal Bureau of Prisons specify “U.S. Citizenship is Required.”

Elon Musk Responds to DOJ Lawsuit Against SpaceX's Alleged Hiring Discrimination

In response to a lawsuit against his private space venture for employment discrimination, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk called out the Department of Justice for its own hiring policies.

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You just can't make this shit up!

Full force that what is illegal for everyone else is permissible for lib loon supporters and organizations

 

[Coyote]

But they still can not get a security clearance, so can not be hired even if Musk wanted to.

Not entirely true, they can get a form of security clearance.

The only way to ever maintain any security is at the front gate.
Once inside, then anyone can pick and photograph or read any document, diagram, component configuration, etc.

I suspect they would have multiple of security.

 

[Coyote]

Those are laws set by congress. DOJ has no say in the matter.
Just like there is a federal law against felons in the military, except by special waiver.

It’s becoming more and more apparent that this is an apples and oranges argument because different regulations apply to federal agencies than to private ones.

 

[WEATHER53]

It’s becoming more and more apparent that this is an apples and oranges argument because different regulations apply to federal agencies than to private ones.

Federal discrimination laws apply to all equally including federal agencies

 

[Coyote]

Federal discrimination laws apply to all equally including federal agencies

There is an executive order requiring federal employees to be US citizens.

 

[Independent thinker]

None of them are illegals.

But unlike private companies, you have to be a U.S. citizen to work for the federal government.

Do I have to be a US citizen to apply? - OPM.gov

Welcome to opm.gov

www.opm.gov

Under Executive Order 11935, only United States citizens and nationals may be appointed to competitive service Federal jobs. In rare cases, agencies may hire certain non-citizens when there are no qualified U.S. citizens available, unless the appointment is prohibited by statute.

LOL. Double standard. The DOJ is suing SpaceX for the very same thing they are doing themselves.

 

[Independent thinker]

That's not DOJ, that congress that made that law, and applied it to the federal government.

The point is, the DOJ is doing the very same thing themselves that they are suing SpaceX for.

 

[Independent thinker]

Those are laws set by congress. DOJ has no say in the matter.
Just like there is a federal law against felons in the military, except by special waiver.

Hence the double standard two tiered justice system.

 

[BackAgain]

Asylee is a specific term, it isn’t the same as an applicant:

9 FAM 203.2 WHAT IS A REFUGEE? WHAT IS AN ASYLEE?

fam.state.gov

Asylum applicants can’t legally work except under certain conditions.

I think it is safe to assume this about asylees with a legal right to work and that have certain legal protections from discrimination.



Reread the OP, he referred to them as illegals.





Of course not.


That is true.

Is there any indication of that with SpaceX? SpaceX has hired H-1B applicants for example (Musk himself was a H-1B recipient).


This site gives a more complete account of why SpaceX is being sued and notes this:

Under the INA, employers cannot discriminate against asylees and refugees in the hiring process, unless there is a law, regulation, executive order, or government contract that requires the employer to do so. The IER is charged with enforcing the anti-discriminatory provisions of the INA. The INA generally prohibits discrimination based on citizenship status and national origin when hiring, firing or recruiting.

You know you’re quibbling, right?

If a job requires obtaining security clearance which (in some cases) further requires citizenship, then an alien isn’t eligible for such jobs.

Space X is actually fairly clear in its hiring document.

• Legal eligibility. You need to be a US citizen or have permanent residency to be able to work at SpaceX. Since the company deals in rocket science, it's subject to the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), which prohibits it from hiring foreign workers.

See: How to Get a Job at SpaceX: Job Application, Interview & More

And IFTAR is far from clear.

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