Do we live in a Multiverse?

[DennisPTate]

Can time be branched from any point in time in earth's history off into a separate time line?

After studying near death experiencer accounts since 1990 I have arrived at that conclusion as just about the only way to explain some of the seeming contradictions.

In 1975 Dannion Brinkley has his first brush with death and he was given about one hundred and seventeen significant and non-guessable aspects of the future of the USA and the world. It seems to me as if some of the really scary disasters that he was shown in 1975 have been delayed ten or twenty years already from the time line that was given to him first.

Here is one of the really wild predictions that all of us can somewhat related to from one angle or another.

[Dannion Brinkley] :

BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services."
(Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, chapter 5)

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My belief is that a Being of Light of near death experience fame has in a sense learned or "evolved" in infinite time in the past and now this off the scale energetic Intelligence is capable of using astonishing technological capability that is far beyond what we humans can even visualize as of today in 2025.

A hypothetical "Being or being of Light" who may exist in Energy from Quantum Vacuum would tend to develop scary technological capability.


Here is some background information on String Theory that was written by Stephen Hawking Ph. D. back in the 1990's.

"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"

The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it? An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
....

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."

...

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

 

[Oddball]

"Time" is something we humans made up.

 

[citygator]

"Time" is something we humans made up.

Agree. Time is a human construct. It doesnt exist. There is nothing in the past, its just a memory. There is nothing in the future, it is just a possibility. Now is always now.

You can experience the now differently due to relativity but that is outside my expertise.

 

[DennisPTate]

Agree. Time is a human construct. It doesnt exist. There is nothing in the past, its just a memory. There is nothing in the future, it is just a possibility. Now is always now.

You can experience the now differently due to relativity but that is outside my expertise.

Wow! I am truly glad to have found a Science forum where this is already understood!

Wow!

 

[MarathonMike]

Why is linear time and "the multiverse" concept mutually exclusive? It seems that parallel universes could exist unbeknownst to us with linear time still an absolute.

 

[braalian]

Agree. Time is a human construct. It doesnt exist. There is nothing in the past, its just a memory. There is nothing in the future, it is just a possibility. Now is always now.

You can experience the now differently due to relativity but that is outside my expertise.

Not as fun as all the sci-fi time travel mumbo-jumbo, but reality generally isn’t as fun as fantasy. That’s why fantasy exists

 

[DennisPTate]

Why is linear time and "the multiverse" concept mutually exclusive? It seems that parallel universes could exist unbeknownst to us with linear time still an absolute.

Wow! You are absolutely correct!

Our children and grandchildren will experience "linear time" but once they pass on into the afterlife then they can be taught about Applied Multiverse Theory.

 

[DennisPTate]

Not as fun as all the sci-fi time travel mumbo-jumbo, but reality generally isn’t as fun as fantasy. That’s why fantasy exists

Personally I got into this topic due to what I was finding out about spirituality, near death experience accounts, and visions of the afterlife that seemed to be making the Jewish and Christian scriptures more clear and easy to understand.

Wildflower Meadow​

Here’s the last part of my near-death experience. My guide took me to what I can only describe as an absolutely beautiful meadow. There were rolling hills, beautiful flowers, green grass. It was a perfect day.

And then my guide left. I thought I was standing there by myself, and then, all of a sudden, a man showed up in front of me. Nobody told me it was him; I just knew that it was Jesus. He was different from everyone else. I could see his hands, and I could see his feet. I could see what he was wearing. He had a white robe on with a golden sash around his waist, and he had gold-colored sandals that laced up his calves, but he was so bright I couldn’t make out his facial features. Jesus had so much energy and so much light that was pouring out of him.

He said something to me, and it is something I have tried to do my entire life since then. It was like my assignment somehow. Jesus said, “You must tell them there is no death.”

Right after he said those words, I immediately woke up back in the hospital room. I asked the surgeon what happened, and he said, “We lost you. You were gone for seven minutes.”

Ever since then, I’ve been doing what Jesus asked me to do. I’ve been telling people that something happens after we pass, and it’s something absolutely beautiful. There is so much hope and so much joy, which we forget about here because life can be very hard.

There are a lot of hard times in life, and we are not supposed to remember the other side. But when you see someone who has had these experiences, it gives you hope. There is a reason for all of this. It’s all real, and we live for eternity. There is really no end. When people cross over and leave us here, they are not gone from us—we will see them again.

Wildflower Meadow - John J. Davis Near-Death Experience

My guide took me to a wildflower meadow with beautiful wildflowers of every color. Suddenly a man showed up and I knew it was Jesus.

johnjdavisnde.com

 

[toobfreak]

"Time" is something we humans made up.

Well, not quite. "Time" is an observed physical property of space.

Without space there can be no time.
And without time there can be no space.

 

[toobfreak]

Wow! I am truly glad to have found a Science forum where this is already understood!

Too bad few here are bone fide scientists much less physicists.

 

[toobfreak]

Agree. Time is a human construct. It doesnt exist.

In other words, you really don't understand the first thing about special or general relativity and the fact that almost everything we have today is based on them, and principle to their functioning is TIME.

 

[citygator]

In other words, you really don't understand the first thing about special or general relativity and the fact that almost everything we have today is based on them, and principle to their functioning is TIME.

Time is not a thing you travel through; it’s the metric we invented to describe the order and rate of change in the universe. Physics uses t in equations because it’s the easiest way to measure change, not because time is a literal dimension you can travel through like a hallway.

General relativity treats time as a coordinate in spacetime, but it doesn’t imply that time “flows.” Spacetime = a system for mapping events. Not a conveyor belt we stand on.

 

[toobfreak]

Time is not a thing you travel through;

You are traveling through time right now.

it’s the metric we invented to describe the order and rate of change in the universe.

We invented the concept and word to describe a real, physical process we see all around us everyday beginning with the Earth's hours, days and years. We did not invent the summer solstice, we discovered it. There could be no rate of change in the universe in the first place for us to describe without time.

Physics uses t in equations because it’s the easiest way to measure change, not because time is a literal dimension you can travel through like a hallway.

Of course it is. Try traveling down any hallway you want right now without time then get back to me. You can't even read this post without time. Time completes the matrix which is physical space. All things in space move and motion takes time. Without time, you cannot move/travel across space. Find me a single thing in space which is not moving/taking up time right now? All you are really saying is that x, y, and z are the three gross dimensions of space and time is the 4th subtle dimension.

Spacetime = a system for mapping events. Not a conveyor belt we stand on.

You keep telling yourself that when you get to the end of yours.

 

[citygator]

You are traveling through time right now.

No. I’m continuing to exist while things change around me.

Calling that “traveling” is a metaphor, not a literal physical motion. You can’t point to the substance we’re allegedly “moving through.” You can only point to change.

You’re mixing up two different things:

1. Physical processes happening in the universe
2. The human measurement system we use to describe those processes

I’m talking about #2, you keep answering as if I’m denying #1.

We invented the concept and word to describe a real, physical process we see all around us everyday beginning with the Earth's hours, days and years. We did not invent the summer solstice, we discovered it. There could be no rate of change in the universe in the first place for us to describe without time.

Exactly. The rotation is real. The orbit is real. The tilt is real. Those are physical events.

“Hours,” “days,” “years,” and “time itself” are measurements humans layered on top of those events.

We didn’t invent the solstice. We did invent the coordinate system used to describe it.

Of course it is. Try traveling down any hallway you want right now without time then get back to me. You can't even read this post without time. Time completes the matrix which is physical space. All things in space move and motion takes time. Without time, you cannot move/travel across space. Find me a single thing in space which is not moving/taking up time right now? All you are really saying is that x, y, and z are the three gross dimensions of space and time is the 4th subtle dimension.

In relativity, “time is a dimension” is a coordinate choice - a mathematical model.

It doesn’t imply:

• that time is a substance
• that you can move independently in it
• that it “flows”
• or that it is a physical medium

A dimension = a way to label events. Not a hallway.

You keep telling yourself that when you get to the end of yours.

Drama llama mama.

 

[toobfreak]

No. I’m continuing to exist while things change around me.

Well, I've spent 60 years studying theoretical physics and applied physics so I won't waste my time continuing to argue with you on semantics. Nothing can "continue" or change without time, simple as that. You are either obtuse or purposefully just acting that way.

 

[DennisPTate]

Well, I've spent 60 years studying theoretical physics and applied physics so I won't waste my time continuing to argue with you on semantics. Nothing can "continue" or change without time, simple as that. You are either obtuse or purposefully just acting that way.

Interestingly enough, that is exactly the impression that I get from the unusual near death experience case of Mr. Robert Marshall who reported that during his forty three hour and twenty eight minute conversation with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, he was told very interesting things regarding "Time?"

Jesus told Robert that the earth itself was three point six BILLION years old.

Jesus told Robert that Satan began to fall about seventy Million years ago.

Jesus told Robert that Satan had fully fallen by about sixty five million years ago.

Jesus told Robert that Adam and Eve were created roughly six or seven thousand years ago, [linear time].

Jesus told Robert that a massive meterorite struck the earth about sixty five million years ago. [I believe that this meterorite strike fits with the chaos and void situation of Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2].

Jesus told Robert that "Time," as we understand time, did not fully come into existence until the fall of Satan plus the fall of Adam and Eve.

 

[DennisPTate]

Well, not quite. "Time" is an observed physical property of space.

Without space there can be no time.
And without time there can be no space.

EXACTLY!!!!!!

No wonder there are statements in the Jewish and Christian scriptures, about some sort of new heavens and new earth? A true utopian earth would have to have some tweaking done related to "Time?"

 

[braalian]

Jesus told Robert that Adam and Eve were created roughly six or seven thousand years ago

Humans have been around much, much longer than that, so Robert must have misunderstood

 

[DennisPTate]

Time is not a thing you travel through; it’s the metric we invented to describe the order and rate of change in the universe. Physics uses t in equations because it’s the easiest way to measure change, not because time is a literal dimension you can travel through like a hallway.

General relativity treats time as a coordinate in spacetime, but it doesn’t imply that time “flows.” Spacetime = a system for mapping events. Not a conveyor belt we stand on.

My apologies if I am incorrect but it is my belief that there is astonishing technology hidden underground in Utah that will verify that Nikola Tesla was even more brilliant than Dr. Albert Einstein.

I believe that Latter day Saints will soon be able to reactivate what will appear to be the "past" but their goal will be to set in motion multiple Ezekiel chapter thirty seven events, [I think so anyway]?

 

[braalian]

Well, I've spent 60 years studying theoretical physics and applied physics so I won't waste my time continuing to argue with you on semantics. Nothing can "continue" or change without time, simple as that. You are either obtuse or purposefully just acting that way.

So, time is an actual “thing” that exists? And not a concept of hours, days, years humans devised to order lives?

I’m not being argumentative, you clearly know more about it. But it just seems like the “time” citygator is talking about is a man-made measuring system and the “time” you’re talking about is something completely different.